Eighty thousand deserters in Ukraine

a reply to: charlest2

Usual hit and run, then?

a reply to: charlest2

Sound charlest2.

If only Putin could recognise the futility, in his actions, and recent doings, over the past while, that might be nice.

Unfortunately, that's not the case.

None of which changes the fact that Ukraine shows no signs of capitulating, or surrender.

Have a nice day.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

When someone hits something as hard as your head, running is the best option.

a reply to: charlest2

Less than a couple of pages deep and you're resorting to personal attacks?

If you have the time to throw mud you have the time to debate.

Just a thought.

And "eighty thousand Ukrainian soldiers , charged for various offences" dont equate to "eighty thousand deserters".

a reply to: charlest2

You are on a discussion forum.

If you can't back up your claims and just run away throwing out insults, it's not a good look.

Now, show me these eighty thousand "deserters"?

a reply to: andy06shake

There have been hundreds of threads and thousands of posts on this subject and to this point, no minds have been changed on either side of it. So what is the need for me to expend any more effort or frustration to discuss it any further? None!

I said my piece and am content to leave it at that. You can take my comment and do your best to refute it all you want but I refuse to banter back and forth with you or OldCarpy anymore on this subject.

Refute what I said! You can't!

a reply to: charlest2

"Banter back and forth"?

No. This is a discussion forum.

Refute your comment?

You claimed:


"It is reported that Ukraine has lost as many as 600,000 or more soldiers by now and they are kidnapping men off the streets in attempt to fill their depleted ranks. It is also reported that the public is beginning to resist these so-called recruitment efforts and burning the recruitment vehicles in the streets. Even if they do manage to supplement their ranks with these types of new enlistments, they won't fight"

So, you support your claims, with evidence.

That's kind of how it works?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: charlest2

How very mature.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Carpy, let's face it. The first casualty in every war is truth. Actual numbers will only be known long after this war is over. But needless to say, the dead from both sides is staggering.

a reply to: charlest2

Yes, of course. So why bother claiming numbers and then spouting off about them?

a reply to: charlest2

Why would i bother trying to change your mind charlest2.

Your ""piece"" is full of piss and wind.

If it's anything other than Russia are in the wrong postcode and should go back to their permafrost.

Now where are "Eighty thousand deserters in Ukraine"?

That's right nowhere in those numbers for a start.

Else shows your homework or did your dog Putin eat it?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So when will you start providing anything substantial rather than your typical one liner provocations? I never see anything from you that can be considered relevant to a discussion. Just a constant stream of one line prods and provocations. Prove it, prove it, prove it. Jab, jab jab. Your discussions are tripe most of the time.

This is why I have grown tired of you.

a reply to: charlest2

Questions are questions, not jabs.

So where are those 80,000 Ukrainian deserters?

You know, like the thread alludes to?

Stay on target.

a reply to: andy06shake

I didn't post this thread. You go back to the original OP and prove it wrong, if you can, which I doubt. You won't even try. It will take effort on your part.

a reply to: charlest2

Fair play.

So do you, like any sensible person.

Recognise the fact that a multitude of different "charges against eighty thousand Ukrainian soldiers" hardly equates to "Eighty thousand deserters in Ukraine" like the title suggests?

What "original OP" what are you going on about?

a reply to: andy06shake
So you go find and elaborate the "multitude of different charges" and prove the "OPENING POST", "OP" is false and misleading. If you can't, your opinion is just as invalid as you claim the "OP" to be.

a reply to: VariedcodeSole

the = and the &t signs are to do with someone putting a timestamp on the video, so it starts at a certain point, see my previous post it should explain it for you

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Is it not happening...because it isn't just that one person saying it...even UA maps has been showing the advances in the east and his maps are usually days behind the maps of the guy you call an armchair general. In fact that particular mapper has been the most unbias in relation to showing the advances or both sides or lack there of. He only colors the map when there is geolocated evidence of territory being taken...not just on rumor or reports...unlike UA maps.

a reply to: charlest2

I think i already have proven the opening post of the thread is nonsense.

Because charges of a multitude of different sorts in no way equate to "Eighty thousand deserters in Ukraine".

His battleship is sunk charlest2.

Just like your own unless you can provide proof of 80,000 Ukrainian deserters.

Its facts you are after to back your silly uninformed opinion, where are those now?

Because they are not in that silly YouTube video that for sure.