What am I missing with regard to SCOTUS roe v wade thing?

originally posted by: quintessentone
when Roe v Wade was overturned states leaders just changed the laws without a vote from the people..

We do not live in a Democracy where every law and every policy is voted on each and every time by every person in the country. We live in a Constitutional Republic. Leaders tell people what their policies are and then the people vote for the leader who represents them. Those leaders then enact the laws and policies that the people voted for via them.

See .. like I said .. you are clueless. You keep repeating this nonsense about everyone should vote for all the laws and that the people are not represented. I suggest you go back to school and take a course in American civics and American culture and American law before you comment further. It will save you some embarrassment.

originally posted by: quintessentone
More deflection,

You lie a lot too. Work on that.

answer Sookie's question.

I did. Learn how to read english.

a reply to: quintessentone

The supreme court ruled that the judicial branch did have the proper authority to have made a decision to begin with as it should be left up to the people and the best way to ensure that, is to make it a state by state right so that a single point can't gate keep issue.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Does a woman have a constitutional right to use lethal force against a pregnancy, or fetal person, that is threatening her life/limb?

Already answered. NO. The way a person kills their unborn child is through a medical procedure or medical service that is paid for ... and there is nothing in the Constitution that promises that people can have medical procedures or medical services that need to be paid for.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Says the person who thinks our rights are derived from the Constitution.

Our legal rights are based on the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
And there is nothing in those that say people have a right to medical
procedures or services that are paid for, therefore there is nothing in them
that promise people have the right to kill their unborn child because those
are things necessary in order to do that.

Basic stuff.

You want a legal right to slaughter children in the womb?
If you are that demonic and bloodthirsty .. move to France.
Secular society full of baby killers. You'll be very happy.

a reply to: FlyersFan

So your answer is "NO", a woman does NOT have a constitutional right to use lethal force against a pregnancy that is killing her, or threatening her life and/or limb.

Got it! Good to know.

If you are that demonic and bloodthirsty .. move to France.

Good to know also that you want to see a national ban on abortion, without any exceptions for rape, incest or SAVING THE LIFE OF A WOMAN.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Is the Electric Chair a medical procedure? Is a lethal drug cocktail a medical procedure? Why do states have a constitutional right to kill convicts with these methods?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
So your answer is "NO", a woman does NOT have a constitutional right to use lethal force against a pregnancy that is killing her, or threatening her life and/or limb.

I said it more than once.

Show me where it says in the Constitution that someone has a Constitutional right to a medical procedure or service that has to be paid for and I'll change my answer.

Good luck with that. No one has a 'right' to a paid for service.

originally posted by: some_stupid_name
a reply to: quintessentone

The supreme court ruled that the judicial branch did have the proper authority to have made a decision to begin with as it should be left up to the people and the best way to ensure that, is to make it a state by state right so that a single point can't gate keep issue.

Exactly, authority for others to change the laws in mid-stream, authority NOT to the people.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: FlyersFan

So your answer is "NO", a woman does NOT have a constitutional right to use lethal force against a pregnancy that is killing her, or threatening her life and/or limb.

Got it! Good to know.

If you are that demonic and bloodthirsty .. move to France.

Good to know also that you want to see a national ban on abortion, without any exceptions for rape, incest or SAVING THE LIFE OF A WOMAN.

It would appear constitutional rights can be taken away willy nilly as dictated by others.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
So your answer is "NO", a woman does NOT have a constitutional right to use lethal force against a pregnancy that is killing her, or threatening her life and/or limb.

I said it more than once.

Show me where it says in the Constitution that someone has a Constitutional right to a medical procedure or service that has to be paid for and I'll change my answer.

Good luck with that. No one has a 'right' to a paid for service.

There you go again, asserting your ignorant premise that the US Constitution somehow bestows our inalienable rights by enumerating them, and that if they're not specifically enumerated within the document, they don't exist.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Sorry Sook, I don't think that made it into the constitution. But I think you will find that most places will allow it under those circumstances and the ones that don't will probably grow into it over a few years. It's not perfect we'll never have a perfect system but I think we try to make it better as time goes on.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Is the Electric Chair a medical procedure? Is a lethal drug cocktail a medical procedure? Why do states have a constitutional right to kill convicts with these methods?

I am against the death penalty but that is a totally different discussion. The death penalty isn't someone wanting a Constitutional right to a paid for medical procedure. And there is no law against medical procedures in the Constitution so if a state administers a death cocktail it doesn't go against any law. It's part of the legal system of different states. Those states have a right to their death penalties since they don't go against the Constitution.

Constitutional Law Center - The Death Penalty and the Constitution

You trying to make some kind of correlation doesn't work.

a reply to: some_stupid_name

Sorry Sook, I don't think that made it into the constitution.

Does the 2nd Amendment give you the constitutional right to blow the head off an unarmed teenager, who broke into your home and is in the act of stealing your TV and stereo? How about if the teenager is armed and aiming it at your wife/daughter/son? Do you have the right to kill them?

You bet you do! Then why wouldn't a pregnant woman have the same 2nd Amendment right to use lethal force to end a pregnancy that is killer her, or threatening her with kidney failure, or stroke, heart failure?

a reply to: FlyersFan

I don't care what you're for, or against. I asked why they have the Constitutional right to take a life using medical procedures?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
There you go again, asserting your ignorant premise that the US Constitution somehow bestows our inalienable rights by enumerating them, and that if they're not specifically enumerated within the document, they don't exist.

There you go again ... so bizarrely hell bent on pushing the slaughter of the unborn that you ignore the facts. There is nothing in the US Constitution that says medical procedures or services that are paid for are 'rights'. If you can pay for it ... you can get it .. if the state you are in has it legal. If not, you either stop trying to kill your baby or you go to another state and murder your child there. Very simple. It's not a Constitutional right.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: some_stupid_name
a reply to: quintessentone

The supreme court ruled that the judicial branch did have the proper authority to have made a decision to begin with as it should be left up to the people and the best way to ensure that, is to make it a state by state right so that a single point can't gate keep issue.

Exactly, authority for others to change the laws in mid-stream, authority NOT to the people.

That is the job of judicial branch, it's how our government works. This is exactly how we like it.

What type of America would you like see?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

reductio ad absurdum
You are flailing.
It's embarrassing to watch.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
I asked why they have the Constitutional right to take a life using medical procedures?

Already answered.

They have states laws that say they have the right.

And those state laws do not go against the Constitution.

It's not a 'Constitutional right' to enact the death penalty.

It's a legal right based on state law that does not violate the Constitution.

Educate yourself ... this is basic stuff. Did you sleep through 8th grade civics class?

originally posted by: some_stupid_name

That is the job of judicial branch, it's how our government works. This is exactly how we like it.

What type of America would you like see?

She's a far left foreigner with no concept of a Constitutional Republic or how America works.
She wants some kind of socialist-Euro-topia.