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What am I missing with regard to SCOTUS roe v wade thing?
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originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude
Does the 2nd Amendment qualify your right to access your 2nd Amendment rights based on the age of your assailant?
Does a teacher have the right to shoot an armed 1st grader who has a loaded gun aimed at them?
nope, no age limits that I know of. I think state and federal laws limit the age to purchase a weapon, but there are stories of kids using the family gun to protect the house, and being in the right, so your point doesn't look like much of anything.
LOL
It makes your question moot.
It doesn't matter if the offending pregnancy is 2 months along or 6 months along, if it's threatening her life.
If the baby can be removed, and both live, then that's a win. Unless the reason wasn't what you say...
That's not an abortion. That's a C-Section birth. I'm talking about situations in which the attending doctor(s), in their best judgement, think an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Neither is a housewife, taking on a home intruder with a frying pan and kitchen knife. But it's is her 2nd Amendment right to kill her assailant with those tools.
Again - the wording of the Constitution - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed - has nothing to do with abortion.
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude
Does the 2nd Amendment qualify your right to access your 2nd Amendment rights based on the age of your assailant?
Does a teacher have the right to shoot an armed 1st grader who has a loaded gun aimed at them?
nope, no age limits that I know of. I think state and federal laws limit the age to purchase a weapon, but there are stories of kids using the family gun to protect the house, and being in the right, so your point doesn't look like much of anything.
LOL
It makes your question moot.
It doesn't matter if the offending pregnancy is 2 months along or 6 months along, if it's threatening her life.
If the baby can be removed, and both live, then that's a win. Unless the reason wasn't what you say...
That's not an abortion. That's a C-Section birth. I'm talking about situations in which the attending doctor(s), in their best judgement, think an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother.
if the baby could not live, then sure, but if the baby can live, as we know can happen prior to 9 months, then every effort to save both should be taken. I think doctors even have some oath they take regarding that.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
There you go again, asserting that our inalienable right are only valid if they're enumerated in the Constitution. However, I would point you in the direction of the 14th Amendment, as well as the 9th.
So you've got nothing.
Text of 9th Amendment - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
14th Amendment - too long to quote
NOTHING about people having a right to certain medical procedures or services that require payment.
You fail.
a reply to: Sookiechacha
No. You were right. Not hard at all.
Does a woman have a constitutional right to use lethal force against a pregnancy, or fetal person, that is threatening her life/limb?
No. You were right. Not hard at all.
a reply to: network dude
So, are you saying that a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life?
What about her health? What if she's having seizures and on the verge of having a stroke? What if she's on the verge of, or in the throws of, kidney failure? Does she have a constitutional right to access her 2nd Amendment remedies?
Should a woman have a constitutional right to protect her "limbs" under the 2nd Amendment, like you do should someone try to put you in a situation where you might lose the use of an arm or a leg?
So, are you saying that a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life?
What about her health? What if she's having seizures and on the verge of having a stroke? What if she's on the verge of, or in the throws of, kidney failure? Does she have a constitutional right to access her 2nd Amendment remedies?
Should a woman have a constitutional right to protect her "limbs" under the 2nd Amendment, like you do should someone try to put you in a situation where you might lose the use of an arm or a leg?
a reply to: Sookiechacha
I'm saying the words I typed, no more.
And yes, but only arms. No legs, they aren't mentioned.
I'm saying the words I typed, no more.
And yes, but only arms. No legs, they aren't mentioned.
a reply to: FlyersFan
Did the people retain the right to access abortion before the Dobbs ruling? Yes, they did.
However, just to reiterate the point. The Constitution doesn't give you your rights. Your rights are inalienable, and given to you by your "creator", according to the Bill of Rights. They are; Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The Constitution gives the government the right to take your inalienable rights away from you, but only after applying the protections it provides, like Due Process and Equal Protection.
Text of 9th Amendment - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Did the people retain the right to access abortion before the Dobbs ruling? Yes, they did.
However, just to reiterate the point. The Constitution doesn't give you your rights. Your rights are inalienable, and given to you by your "creator", according to the Bill of Rights. They are; Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The Constitution gives the government the right to take your inalienable rights away from you, but only after applying the protections it provides, like Due Process and Equal Protection.
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
So, are you saying that a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life?
She has a right under state law to have an abortion if it's legal in her state and if she can obtain the funds to have one. She does NOT have a 'constitutional right' to one since it is not covered in the Constitution.
You keep quoting the 2nd Amendment as if it applies to abortion. It does not.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
An abortionist is not a Militia. An abortionist is not necessary to the security of a free State. An abortionist is not bearing arms. And the woman having an abortion is not the mililtia, the abortion is not necessary for the security of a free state and the woman is not bearing arms. A medical procedure is not 'bearing arm's.
You keep trying to fit a square peg in around hole. It doesn't work.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: FlyersFan
Text of 9th Amendment - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Did the people retain the right to access abortion before the Dobbs ruling? Yes, they did.
However, just to reiterate the point. The Constitution doesn't give you your rights. Your rights are inalienable, and given to you by your "creator", according to the Bill of Rights. They are; Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The Constitution gives the government the right to take your inalienable rights away from you, but only after applying the protections it provides, like Due Process and Equal Protection.
LOL, kind of makes you wonder why idiots are so worked up about the SCOTUS ruling. You just explained why it's stupid.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Your rights are inalienable, and given to you by your "creator", according to the Bill of Rights. They are; Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
... and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are concepts, not medical procedures. You don't have a Constitutional right to a medical procedure or service that you have to pay for. It's like a commodity. You don't have a Constitutional right to a commodity. It's just something that you purchase if you want it. You have to find where it is legal and you have to pay for it. No one is legally required under the Constitution to pay for it for you, and if it were a Constitutional right, then the US government would have to pay for them.
Still failing.
a reply to: network dude
Well, you didn't type you think that, so I'm going to take it that you don't think a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life.
But, you're okay with her having an abortion to save her life, anyway, because you're such a nice guy.
Well, you didn't type you think that, so I'm going to take it that you don't think a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life.
But, you're okay with her having an abortion to save her life, anyway, because you're such a nice guy.
a reply to: FlyersFan
You have to pay for guns and bullets too.
Everyone has a right to access any service they want, under the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
Look, it get it. You don't think a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life.
You don't have a Constitutional right to a medical procedure or service that you have to pay for.
You have to pay for guns and bullets too.
Everyone has a right to access any service they want, under the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
Look, it get it. You don't think a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life.
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude
Well, you didn't type you think that, so I'm going to take it that you don't think a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life.
But, you're okay with her having an abortion to save her life, anyway, because you're such a nice guy.
Does one have a constitutional right to a heart transplant? Does an alcoholic have a right to a new kidney?
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Everyone has a right to access any service they want, under the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
... any service that is legal and that they can afford .. but that's not in the Constitution.
14th Amendment
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Look, it get it. You don't think a woman has a constitutional right to access abortion to save her life.
It's not in the Constitution.
She has a legal right if it's legal in her state.
And she can get one if she can afford it.
But no .. it's not in the Constitution.
a reply to: network dude
That's why women aren't rioting and burning down buildings. We are patiently applying our constitutional rights of Due Process. You see in states all across the nation, where they are allowed to vote, the people vote to restore their constitutional right to access abortion, for any reason, within the abortion standards set by Roe. Some go even farther, keeping the state out of the health care equation altogether.
You see lawsuits brought by women harmed by abortion bans, all the way to SCOTUS.
It's like it's 1969 all over again! MAGA!
That's why women aren't rioting and burning down buildings. We are patiently applying our constitutional rights of Due Process. You see in states all across the nation, where they are allowed to vote, the people vote to restore their constitutional right to access abortion, for any reason, within the abortion standards set by Roe. Some go even farther, keeping the state out of the health care equation altogether.
You see lawsuits brought by women harmed by abortion bans, all the way to SCOTUS.
It's like it's 1969 all over again! MAGA!
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a reply to: FlyersFan
A lot of things you take for granted aren't in the Constitution. Your right to marry. Your right to parent the kids you gave birth to. Your right to own land property, grow food, to access fresh water...none of those things are enumerated in the Constitution, yet those are things that are critical to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Again...The Constitution doesn't give you your rights. it doesn't enumerate all your rights. Your rights, all of them, are encompassed under the umbrella of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. That's a huge umbrella.
It's not in the Constitution.
A lot of things you take for granted aren't in the Constitution. Your right to marry. Your right to parent the kids you gave birth to. Your right to own land property, grow food, to access fresh water...none of those things are enumerated in the Constitution, yet those are things that are critical to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Again...The Constitution doesn't give you your rights. it doesn't enumerate all your rights. Your rights, all of them, are encompassed under the umbrella of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. That's a huge umbrella.
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Any who would decide their vote on Abortion should not be allowed to vote. It is as dumb as saying i don't like them I will vote for the other one.
It is a tired and worn out argument meant to sway voters. That's it. Reversing Wade followed the US Constitution. The government is supposed to work for us and the states not the other way around but it has been like this since 1917. The government things they are in charge and have slowly eroded our rights. Real rights.
Nothing in the founding documents of our country does it discuss birth control. Nowhere.
Abortion is murder unless it is performed to save the life of the mother. Then, it is a heart breaking decision. A private matter. Feminists shouting I want 20 abortions is sick. Sick. Yet time and again it is the Pro-Lifers who get the bad rap because they are against it.
15 pages in and it could have been quieted in one post.
It is a tired and worn out argument meant to sway voters. That's it. Reversing Wade followed the US Constitution. The government is supposed to work for us and the states not the other way around but it has been like this since 1917. The government things they are in charge and have slowly eroded our rights. Real rights.
Nothing in the founding documents of our country does it discuss birth control. Nowhere.
Abortion is murder unless it is performed to save the life of the mother. Then, it is a heart breaking decision. A private matter. Feminists shouting I want 20 abortions is sick. Sick. Yet time and again it is the Pro-Lifers who get the bad rap because they are against it.
15 pages in and it could have been quieted in one post.
a reply to: Sookiechacha
So, how does Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness apply to the baker who does not want to make a cake for two gay guys?
So, how does Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness apply to the baker who does not want to make a cake for two gay guys?
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