Trump backs Louisiana law requiring Ten Commandments in schools

a reply to: Lumenari

Cool, so you can't or won't answer my question to you regarding this comment you made,

Meaning that the Federal government cannot prohibit the free exercise of any religion.

Please note that the First Amendment was limiting the power of the Congress... the Federal government.

that prompted me to ask you just what other parts of the 1st Amendment you believe state governments can ignore.

Remember, you haven't answered that question.

And when you topped off your post with this ignorant tidbit:

You seem to be unaware of the difference between the Federal government and State's rights under the 10th Amendment.

I reminded you that the 10th Amendment doesn't supersede rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I stand by that assertion, and so do my cats.

originally posted by: Annee

Still makes no sense.

IDK ask her...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

that prompted me to ask you just what other parts of the 1st Amendment you believe state governments can ignore.

What parts of the second can States ignore?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think states can ignore the 1st Amendment. You keep talking, but you're not saying anything!

What parts of the second can States ignore?

“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

None of it.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha


None of it.

Then why are people's 2nd infringed on all the time in liberal States and cities?

a reply to: Degradation33

I can't wait for the argument how "The State (of Louisiana) Establishing a religion" is constitutional.

It wasn't unconstitutional for the first 80 to 100 years in this nation....why is it now?

originally posted by: RookQueen2
a reply to: Degradation33

I can't wait for the argument how "The State (of Louisiana) Establishing a religion" is constitutional.

It wasn't unconstitutional for the first 80 to 100 years in this nation....why is it now?

Because not everyone is a Christian — and those people spoke up and took action to correct it.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Lumenari

Please note that the First Amendment was limiting the power of the Congress... the Federal government.

They were not limiting the power of the State at all.

You seem to be unaware of the difference between the Federal government and State's rights under the 10th Amendment.

10th Amendment states' rights don't supersede the rights enumerated in the 1st Amendment. If that were true, then any state's governor could arrest his political rivals for criticizing the government.

So you appear to be... what is the term... "politically retarded?" the 10th Amendment doesn't supersede the 1st... it re-enforces the 1st.

Did you talk to your cats about this before posting it?

I don't think you did.

Your cats would have understood it.

Posts like this are why everyone has left ATS. No discord, only flippant, snarky replies. 34 online.......Bigly audience.


To Op,

The first commandment is;

“You shall have no other gods before Me”

I don't think that fits well with the Constitution.

a reply to: Annee

Non-Christians taking God or religion out of the schools is just an action that took place.....doesn't mean it was unconstitutional.
I'm honestly not against the action that was taken, I'd prefer Religious History classes from 7th to 12th grade. There could even be online classes available to specific religions where a Buddhist child could be enrolled in Buddhist classes with the approval from the parents.

originally posted by: RookQueen2
a reply to: Annee

Non-Christians taking God or religion out of the schools is just an action that took place.....doesn't mean it was unconstitutional.
I'm honestly not against the action that was taken, I'd prefer Religious History classes from 7th to 12th grade. There could even be online classes available to specific religions where a Buddhist child could be enrolled in Buddhist classes with the approval from the parents.

Well, I lived through it in real time. Used to have to have prayer every day.

My friend was Jewish, but had to sing Christmas Carols in the yearly Christmas pageant.

Angry people on both sides.

Religion lost in court.

Louisiana is now a sanctuary state for the Ten Commandments.
Other states haven’t got this much pushback for their sanctuary state laws.
Federalism is great 👍

originally posted by: RookQueen2
a reply to: Degradation33

I can't wait for the argument how "The State (of Louisiana) Establishing a religion" is constitutional.

It wasn't unconstitutional for the first 80 to 100 years in this nation....why is it now?

149 years actually.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

But Supreme Courts are Supreme. And there's never been subsequent action.

Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court holding that the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution had extended the First Amendment's provisions protecting freedom of speech and freedom of the press to apply to the governments of U.S. states. Along with Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad Co. v. City of Chicago (1897), it was one of the first major cases involving the incorporation of the Bill of Rights. It was also one of a series of Supreme Court cases that defined the scope of the First Amendment's protection of free speech and established the standard to which a state or the federal government would be held when it criminalized speech or writing.

While this was brought about by an anarcho-socialist newsletter it can be applied any time a state supersedes 1st amendment protections.

Unless, one argues this ruling only applied to part of the first amendment. That's why I'm interested. To what extent does it prevent the state from establishing a defacto religion? Do they HAVE TO allow other posters alongside the Mosaic one to remain constitutional?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Sookiechacha

It’s entertaining to finally see a state step up and troll the snowflakes.

They certainly do better with trolling snowflakes than improving their school systems.

40th in k-12 and 47th in higher education.

Seems they’re more interested using their time governing to dunk on people than invest in their youth.

I worked as a Quality Control assistant at Nissan. My boss was British.

His biggest complaint about working with Asians is that they could not think or work independently.

Test scores mean someone is good at taking tests.

yea, and those slanty eyes makes them look like they are up to something. And those black folk, don't even get me started on them. Amirite.

Do you know the difference between racism and culture?

do you understand what racism actually is? I'll offer you a slight hint, as you and your pal sookie don't seem to grasp it. When you take an entire group of people and attribute some characteristic to them all, you have used racism in your argument. All "___" are the same. Well, all "___" are not the same, people are individuals, each one different.

The fact that you don't understand this is shocking. It's like the life blood of the left.


racism-

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Degradation33

originally posted by: watchitburn
I'm shocked the leftists refuse to engage when faced with inconvenient facts.

I am technically libertarian right (purple on that compass chart) and the thing dragging me down below the line of authoritarian are my "woke"positions. (Secular humanism, LGBT, etc.. ) Not technically 'left', but I feel I'm enough to engage the inconvenient facts.

So throw it at me, it's my OP, what are they?

How dare you not be a stereotype

LOL, the proverbial icing on the cake. You will never know why or how you make me smile, just know you do.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: RookQueen2
a reply to: Annee

Non-Christians taking God or religion out of the schools is just an action that took place.....doesn't mean it was unconstitutional.
I'm honestly not against the action that was taken, I'd prefer Religious History classes from 7th to 12th grade. There could even be online classes available to specific religions where a Buddhist child could be enrolled in Buddhist classes with the approval from the parents.

Well, I lived through it in real time. Used to have to have prayer every day.

My friend was Jewish, but had to sing Christmas Carols in the yearly Christmas pageant.

Angry people on both sides.

Religion lost in court.

So your friend learned a little about another religion. Did it kill her, or did she survive? And if she did live, did she ever share any of her religious beliefs with you?

I"m against anything religious, of any religion, being in schools unless it's a history/social studies class giving the basics of what people around the world believe ... that kind of thing.

That being said ... it's a lot better than having drag queen story hour for the kids.

a reply to: Degradation33

I prefer the 613 Commandments from the Talmud.

originally posted by: Degradation33

Unless, one argues this ruling only applied to part of the first amendment. That's why I'm interested. To what extent does it prevent the state from establishing a defacto religion? Do they HAVE TO allow other posters alongside the Mosaic one to remain constitutional?

The question whether putting the 10 commandments on a wall in schools is establishing a state religion. Though I don't agree with them doing it I remember back when schools got all excited about Muslims and their religion in schools. They called it diversity, but it was still a religion being taught to some degree. We are not talking mass bible study here, and I think in the context that a school allows private prayer, maybe allowing students to have bible study if they choose, and even have the 10 commandments on the wall somewhere doesn't really bother me. I wonder how many schools have a prayer room for Muslims since they need to pray.

It seems a lot, but when it comes to Muslims it's called tolerance. For others the same people who scream we need tolerance scream 1st Amendment violation when it comes to anything Christian.

The Muslim prayer room at Hiba Siddiqi's public Texas high school was not only tolerated by her fellow students, it was a tangible lesson in religious tolerance.

originally posted by: Vermilion

Louisiana is now a sanctuary state for the Ten Commandments.
Other states haven’t got this much pushback for their sanctuary state laws.
Federalism is great 👍

I wasn’t aware that the Ten Commandments were illegal there prior to this bill.

a reply to: Degradation33

149 years actually.

Yes, I realized that I has undershot on the amount of years....but got sidetracked and didn't come back to edit in time.