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Putin issues fresh demands to Ukraine to end war

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posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:30 PM
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posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: Imhere

"Do you support Tony Blair ?"

Nope. But you apparently support Miloslevic and Putin.

Two war criminals.

I see a pattern here.



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

I don't like him.

How's your war criminal Miloslevic doing?


Well, better than Tony Blair.

Who’s a bigger war criminal than Milosevic.

Tony Blair supported Muslim extremists/al qaeda period.

Stripped centuries SOVEREIGN land Kosovo away from Serbia in 99’






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posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:36 PM
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posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: BedevereTheWise


MWAHAHAHA

and again,

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Putin is saying a peace agreement can be reached if he is given land he has not been able to conquer himself. So this all about land. Always has been.

That's like Japan saying we'll capitulate WW2, but you have to give us Hawaii. Or Germany saying yes, we'll sign the accords and end WW2, but we get to keep France and Poland.

Comedy.



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: Mahogani
a reply to: BedevereTheWise


MWAHAHAHA

and again,

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Putin is saying a peace agreement can be reached if he is given land he has not been able to conquer himself. So this all about land. Always has been.

That's like Japan saying we'll capitulate WW2, but you have to give us Hawaii. Or Germany saying yes, we'll sign the accords and end WW2, but we get to keep France and Poland.

Comedy.





A previous poster described Putin as desperate.

I think that was fairly accurate.



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: Imhere

And stopped your genocidal war crimes.



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: Mahogani
a reply to: BedevereTheWise


MWAHAHAHA

and again,

HAHAHAHAHAHA


Putin is saying a peace agreement can be reached if he is given land he has not been able to conquer himself. So this all about land. Always has been.

That's like Japan saying we'll capitulate WW2, but you have to give us Hawaii. Or Germany saying yes, we'll sign the accords and end WW2, but we get to keep France and Poland.

Comedy.





Is it ok for Britain/Tony Blair supporting stealing sovereign land from other countries?

Happened in 99’ Kosovo etc. Gave sanctuary to Muslim extremists with ties to Al qaeda.

But it’s ok for Israel with western support to level Gaza?





posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:50 PM
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Even if you compare Wagner to “Azov” obviously Azov as a unit chants and idolizes Nazi. Where as Wagner doesn’t.


You mean to say that Wagner paints worse Nazi graffiti than Azov? That the "art" they leave after slaughtering civilians, not only in Ukraine but also in Africa, doesn't impress you?

Weren't you the one harping on about Navalny's nationalism? Now you say that there aren't many Nazis in Russia? Dmitry Utkin isn't a Nazi? What about Wagner group's connections with the Russian Imperial Movement and Task Force Rusich?

Your ignorance is beyond redemption. You condemn the organization that is defending its country's independence and who primarily fights with the Russian military and armed separatists. And yet you defend the Russian neo-Nazi orgs that are actual terrorist paramilitaries brutally killing civilians.

But what's worse is that you don't even bother to verify the crap you're posting. Wagner's links to Neo-Nazi ideology and its connections can be easily checked. The same goes for connecting Azov with the cult of Bandera which is total bulls**t as Bandera is largely irrelevant in the east of Ukraine and Azov comes from the Eastern Ukraine.



I mean you don’t see Russia chanting to Stepan Bandera as a National hero


Sure. They venerate Stalin and Lenin instead.



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

And stopped your genocidal war crimes.


Well, Israel is doing a good job leveling Gaza. With western support.

Against “Muslim extremists”





posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: twistedpuppy

Exactly. And Stalin killed more Russians than the Nazis did.

Someone needs a history lesson.



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posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 02:55 PM
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posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 03:11 PM
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So you're Serbian I gather, which makes you one of the closest allies Russia has. I understand you sentiment.

But let's look at facts.

Kosovo is a sovereign nation with a minority Serb population. No land was taken away from Serbia and given to Muslim extremists, but I can see how as a Serbian you would see it that way. Kosovo was a province even during Yugoslavia, and those same borders from those times are enforced. No borders shifted, nobody took any land.

What happened in the 90s and 2000s is that Serbia went on a genocidal war against Croatia, Bosnia and then Kosovo. The world did pretty much nothing for the first two wars and we all remember the Serb genocide in Srebrenica when they killed and bulldozed 10,000 people into mass graves after executing all of them in a day or two. The ones that tried to run, they chased through the forests and finished them off. Many women and children were raped in these wars. Mass graves are still being unearthed.

So when Serbia went on to Kosovo and started a third war in the same decade, the world stepped in. Clinton approved a bombing campaign of Serbia, in order to get them to back off and end another potential genocide. That lasted about two to three months, but Serbia has been shaken ever since.

If we thought they were an ally of Russia before, that got even worse since then. Due to their intense hatred for the USA after the bombing, Serbia is now pretty much Russia's right arm in Europe. Serbia and Bulgaria are Putin's European centers for propaganda and disinformation. Followed closely by North Macedonia, which also pumps out copious amounts of Russian propaganda.



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 03:13 PM
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posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: Mahogani

You speak the truth.



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

Billions to a country defending itself from invasion.

.


How does cash stop Putin. Care to detail how the cash flooding into the Ukraine is being turned into weapons, from who? What is that cash being spent on?


Most of the aid is on the form of direct military supplies. The money sent used to keep Ukraine as a functioning country as its economy has been massively damaged by Putin's invasion.



And I asked how does the US going into further debt, printing more money, depleting US defense equipment ammo, not keeping up with the war production of Russia/forced to a war economy, not keeping up with the industrial output of China and its ability to out produce Naval ships over the US, dumping money and equipment into Ukraine that is losing in a war where they can’t sustain the current rate of losing men help the US’s defensive posture?



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Lazy88

Mostly because it's old mothballed stuff destined for very expensive destruction?



posted on Jun, 15 2024 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: Lazy88

just like everyone else both china and russia are in the tubes as well, no matter what they claim.


Rows and rows of partially inhabited high-rises sprawl into the suburbs of the northern Chinese metropolis of Tianjin, their empty balconies emblematic of a slowing economy that has not kept pace with the country's ambitions.
A year and a half after crippling Covid-19 restrictions ended, the property crisis is just one of the deadweights dragging on China's recovery momentum, sending ripples of unease through the country's leaders and citizens.

China waits anxiously for economic plan as gloom reigns




he head of one of the largest banks in Russia has said that the country's economy is overheating due to the war in Ukraine.
Since Moscow's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia's economy has been hit by sanctions placed on it by the global community. Western nations were the most severe with sanctions, particularly on Russia's trade industry. Despite this, increased wartime activities have meant the Russian economy grew by 3.6% last year.
However, the CEO of Russia's largest bank, Sberbank, has now said that this growth is a sign of an overheated economy. Herman Gref, speaking at the Federation Council in the Russian legislature on June 4, is reported to have said: "Our economy is definitely and strongly overheated.
"We have never had such main capacity utilization in our history. At the level of 84 percent - this is threshold where it is merely impossible to go above it. And huge funds are going to the economy via the budget impulse."



However, other key areas of the economy are feeling the strain. On June 5, Russia's Ministry of Economic Development released figures showing that annual inflation had risen to 8.17 percent. In March 2023, Federation Council Deputy Speaker Galina Karelova claimed that over 8.4 million jobs had been put at risk due to the international pressure, particularly those at international companies based in the West.


Russia Bank Boss Issues Dire Economic Warning

like me, i beleieve may people suspect this was the plan for covid from the get go. cripple the world's government economically







 
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