Hunter Biden guilty on 3 charges

a reply to: Mahogani

Watching quietly from across the pond I have to say that is exactly my take on it as well.

No-one should be above the law.

Due process has been followed, both found guilty by their peers in accordance with US law.

And if there is evidence that Biden Sr has committed crimes then he too should be prosecuted.

I hope it catches on over here.

a reply to: Freeborn

"I hope it catches on over here."

I'm doing my best with that.

I mean really people!
Who DOESN"T think that a coked up, crack smoker or meth head should have a gun?
What could possibly go wrong there?

So the question on a form is a violation of rights, but the red flag mental health laws aren't?

Will be interesting to see where this all goes.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

There's an argument to be made that a government document asking whether or not you're a habitual drug user, essentially asking you to admit to a crime, is a violation of your 5th Amendment rights.

Being an alcoholic or an addict isn’t a crime.

a reply to: FlyersFan

and the fact that people with a mental illness can't get guns. I'm fine with that.

That is, in fact, not a fact. There are plenty of mentally ill people with legal firearms. There is no law against mentally ill people getting firearms, unless a court says so,

Federal law 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(4) (2005) prohibits the possession of a firearm by anyone who has been adjudicated as a “mental defective” or committed to a psychiatric institution.

jaapl.org...

Ez peezy! Amirite?!

a reply to: FlyersFan

Leary v. United States and Haynes v. United States are the two big cases that lay the groundwork for an argument that asking about drug use on a form that gets reported to the government is a form of self-incrimination and a violation of the 5th Amendment.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
That is, in fact, not a fact. There are plenty of mentally ill people with legal firearms. There is no law against mentally ill people getting firearms, unless a court says so,:

There is a question on the form to get a gun about mental illness and if you have been treated for it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

The fifth amendment says - "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, "

Hunter Biden was charged with lying on a federal form. The form itself is evidence of the perjury. It's like "anything you attest to on this form may be used against you in a court of law".

Get it now?
It doesn't matter. The case has been appealed and the federal law struck down. Where and how it goes from here is anyone's game.
Federal appeals court strikes down law prohibiting users of illegal drugs from possessing firearms

a reply to: Sookiechacha

A Supreme Court ruling is the only ruling that has binding precedent for the entire country. A ruling by an appellate court only establishes precedent for that circuit.

So while Hunter's lawyers can certainly cite those other cases in their appeal, the law still stands in the Third Circuit until the appellate court or SCOTUS strikes it down.

a reply to: FlyersFan

There is a question on the form to get a gun about mental illness and if you have been treated for it.

What is the question? "Are you too crazy to be a be responsible gun owner?"

Does it ask if you've been legally adjudicated as "mentally defective" in a court of law?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

It’s almost like the gun laws that you gun grabbers push can actually work against you.

Does it take your side getting pinched by those laws you constantly push for your side to finally stop taking away everyone’s 2A?
Will the gun grabbers ever learn?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Sookiechacha

A Supreme Court ruling is the only ruling that has binding precedent for the entire country. A ruling by an appellate court only establishes precedent for that circuit.

So while Hunter's lawyers can certainly cite those other cases in their appeal, the law still stands in the Third Circuit until the appellate court or SCOTUS strikes it down.

Unless you’re Genocide Joe Biden, then you can ignore SCOTUS, the constitution, and the oath he took.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
What is the question?

I already stated what it was.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Sookiechacha

It’s almost like the gun laws that you gun grabbers push can actually work against you.

Well, in an ideal world, that would be the goal, correct?

It makes no difference how a person votes, the laws are meant to apply to everyone equally, in the interest of a safe and peaceful community for us all.

This can happen to anyone. Anyone who commits crimes.

This gun charge is all smoke and mirrors to deflect from what Hunter was really up to in Ukraine and signing cheques for the laboratory workers /scientists there , hard drive 3 I believe had all the data on that on Kim.come site when it was released .

30 or 100k might not seem much to a a American reader but over there 5k is a yearly wage for a professional person .

a reply to: stonerwilliam

This is correct.

This verdict is pretty meaningless in the big scheme of things. The bigger issue is the Biden crime family and Hunter's funneling money. People shouldn't get complacent with this verdict alone. The one which really counts is a guilty verdict for the stuff on Hunter's laptop and the money going to "The Big Guy".

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Mahogani

And if there is evidence that Biden Sr has committed crimes then he too should be prosecuted.

Absolutely!

If there is evidence that Joe Biden committed crimes, he should be tried in court for them the same as Trump was for his crimes. Our laws do state he cannot be charged as a sitting president, but he can get charged after he is done being president.

I'm all for that.

I'd actually go further than that. I think that if you're in public service, such as a governor, a mayor, a congressperson, a senator, a president or a police officer... or any other public service or elected position that is meant to serve people... and you commit crimes, the punishment should be double what the law recommends.

Like when you drive through a construction zone and you speed through it, the ticket is double.

If you use public service to commit crimes, the penalty should also be double. I think this would make some crooks think twice about enriching themselves through public service.

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
This gun charge is all smoke and mirrors to deflect from what Hunter was really up to in Ukraine and signing cheques for the laboratory workers /scientists there , hard drive 3 I believe had all the data on that on Kim.come site when it was released .

30 or 100k might not seem much to a a American reader but over there 5k is a yearly wage for a professional person .

The difference being this was an actual crime and they had evidence to prove it and to prosecute it.

He is also going to trial in California later this year for tax evasion. There is real evidence of him not paying taxes.

I am 100% sure that when there is evidence of anything in Ukraine, it will follow suit. But they can't charge any crimes without evidence. That's not how it works.

a reply to: FlyersFan

no its not "if you have a mental illness" it amounts to basically being institutionalized against your will to a 72 hour or longer hold.

you can own guns and be mentally ill, you can check your self into an institution and as long as they dont extend it you can still own guns least at the federal level

some jurisdictions at state level make it a requirement but as far as i know those have yet to be challenged in federal court but most of those relate to pleading insanity in a court case ,or switch back to the federal designation on being forcibly committed to a mental health facility

www.ncsl.org...

(a) A person shall not have in his or her possession or under his or her custody or control, or purchase or receive, or attempt to purchase or receive, any firearms whatsoever or any other deadly weapon, if on or after Jan. 1, 1992, he or she has been admitted to a facility and is receiving inpatient treatment and, in the opinion of the attending health professional who is primarily responsible for the patient's treatment of a mental disorder, is a danger to self or others, as specified by Section 5150, 5250, or 5300, even though the patient has consented to that treatment. A person is not subject to the prohibition in this subdivision after he or she is discharged from the facility. Welf. & Inst. Code § 8103 (a)(1) A person who after Oct. 1, 1955, has been adjudicated by a court of any state to be a danger to others as a result of a mental disorder or mental illness, or who has been adjudicated to be a mentally disordered sex offender, shall not purchase or receive, or attempt to purchase or receive, or have in his or her possession, custody, or control a firearm or any other deadly weapon unless there has been issued to the person a certificate by the court of adjudication upon release from treatment or at a later date stating that the person may possess a firearm or any other deadly weapon without endangering others, and the person has not, subsequent to the issuance of the certificate, again been adjudicated by a court to be a danger to others as a result of a mental disorder or mental illness.

that is california code of all places and even it says hey if they let you out you can go buy a gun...... the only laws related to "oh hey they are mentally ill no gun for you" are the red flag laws which again have yet to be challenged but probably should. new york is the only state in the union(surprise) to list being mentally ill on its own as a reason to deny a "gun license" not gun ownership

I'm getting tired of hearing how 'sad' this is and all the pity for Hunter Biden. After all, his father, the President of the United States of America has let ENCOURAGED massive amounts of drugs to cross our borders, made thousands of new drug addicts and caused the death of countless thousands as well.

I don't feel sorry for Hunter a bit. His own father enabled his abuse. And Hunter took advantage of every second, every dollar, every open door, every opportunity to benefit himself. Not to make himself better but to do more drugs, more sex, more bad decisions that enabled more bad decisions. For crying out loud, it's almost like he shamed himself and his family with absolutely no fear of any repercussions.