Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BernnieJGato

That worked both ways. Remember all the "dropping like flies cos of the vaxx," threads?

Yeah, and now the statistics are in, we know they were BS doom-porn.

a reply to: chr0naut

Doom porn is what you preached about NOT Taking the shot. Remember?

We are talking boots on the ground stuff now. People with proof it was the vax are suing..

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: marg6043
Coincidence? you tell me and the numbers of people with more common cancer are alarming.

I already told you: during the CoViD-19 years people stopped being followed by their family doctors and/or stopped having the usual tests. When things returned to normal, all the people that would have been diagnosed with cancer during those two years or so were diagnosed, so, in reality, we are seeing now the accumulated cases for those years.

That is fair, but simply doesn't cut it in the end. The Big Pharma are admitting all this now was causing heart issues.

But big-pharma admitted that from quite early on?

Also, COVID-19, the disease, also caused heart issues, and did so far more frequently than the immunizations may have. Sort of messed with the interpretation of the statistics, though.

Also, did you notice that the immunizations that weren't mRNA ones, are the ones that eventually got discontinued due to potential heart risk, reducing effectiveness as the virus mutated, and commercial unviability as the pandemic ended? Yet almost all the anti-vax hoo-ha was focussed on the allegedly untested mRNA ones? Weird that they turned out to be safer than the previous types.

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: chr0naut

Doom porn is what you preached about NOT Taking the shot. Remember?

COVID-19 pandemic deaths

We are talking boots on the ground stuff now. People with proof it was the vax are suing..

Proof?

No, every man and their dog are trying to get money, but very few are successful, mainly because they don't actually have proof:

A ‘black hole’ for COVID vaccine injury claims

And, again, the statistics are showing no immunization related increase in cancer or mortality. Nada.

It's just hypochondria.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

yeah i do, but as far as i know they haven't gone back and revised the numbers to "died with covid" from "died from covid".
the CDC and White House both said they were counting all deaths in people with covid as death form covid. comorbidities or not.

a reply to: Justoneman

Well, we are talking America here.

Ambulance chasing lawyers and clients with dollars in their eyes jumping on the bandwagon?

It's hardly surprising.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

I can only really speak for over here.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

yeah i do, but as far as i know they haven't gone back and revised the numbers to "died with covid" from "died from covid".
the CDC and White House both said they were counting all deaths in people with covid as death form covid. comorbidities or not.

Facebork said that, then Gateway Pundit repeated it as if it were true. The CDC and the White House never said that:

No, CDC did not admit overcounting COVID-19 cases in hospitals

a reply to: chr0naut

Facebook said that, then Gateway Pundit repeated it as if it were true. The CDC and the White House never said that:

they can spin it any way they want, those that died with covid from other conditions didn't die from covid. in other words covid didn't kill them their comorbidities did.

if someone dies while they have the flu from one of their comorbidities did the flu kill them? dollar to doughnuts you say yes, if no then the same should apply to covid.



the AAMC even said that the White said they were counting “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” and altered the way they count them. that's fudging numbers.

another fact checker with basicly the same story from fakebook,

Early in the pandemic, some of the answers provided by public officials — who were scrambling to track the disease as it overwhelmed health systems — fed skepticism,” according to an article by the Association of American Medical Colleges. The article pointed to April 2020 comments by one White House official who was asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions; she answered: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” But “federal and state governments gradually altered such policies over the spring and summer to say that in order for a death to be counted as a COVID-19 death, the disease had to have played a role,” AAMC reported.
Claims that COVID death figures are inflated by counting those who died ‘with, not from’ the virus are premised on false assertions

originally posted by: chr0naut
Also, COVID-19, the disease, also caused heart issues, and did so far more frequently than the immunizations may have. Sort of messed with the interpretation of the statistics, though.

That's one thing I have thought before, if someone that had CoViD-19 and took the vaccine has heart problems, how do we know if they were:
1 - already present before CoViD-19;
2 - caused by CoViD-19;
3 - caused by the vaccine;
4 - any combination of the above?

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: chr0naut

Facebook said that, then Gateway Pundit repeated it as if it were true. The CDC and the White House never said that:

they can spin it any way they want, those that died with covid from other conditions didn't die from covid. in other words covid didn't kill them their comorbidities did.

if someone dies while they have the flu from one of their comorbidities did the flu kill them? dollar to doughnuts you say yes, if no then the same should apply to covid.

the AAMC even said that the White said they were counting “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” and altered the way they count them. that's fudging numbers.

another fact checker with basicly the same story from fakebook,

Early in the pandemic, some of the answers provided by public officials — who were scrambling to track the disease as it overwhelmed health systems — fed skepticism,” according to an article by the Association of American Medical Colleges. The article pointed to April 2020 comments by one White House official who was asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions; she answered: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” But “federal and state governments gradually altered such policies over the spring and summer to say that in order for a death to be counted as a COVID-19 death, the disease had to have played a role,” AAMC reported.
Claims that COVID death figures are inflated by counting those who died ‘with, not from’ the virus are premised on false assertions

It is absurd to believe that millions of doctors around the world committed medical fraud.

Cause of death has legal implications and if cause of death were fabricated in the way you suggest, it would also massively hamper the correct allocation of medical resources in the health systems of multiple countries.

This suggestion that many death certificates, and the data drawn from them, were fraudulent was completely debunked when it was first suggested but sites for the politically stupid kept trying to find cases which they could make headlines out of.

Rational people would not keep harping on about something so obviously ludicrous and false.

a reply to: chr0naut

It is absurd to believe that millions of doctors around the world committed medical fraud.

not really, many probably like you put their faith in the ones that put the guidelines out there. in other words believe the establishment no mater what.

and if they are following what the protocols say issued by the governments, they can't or should i say shouldn't be held liable. those that made them should be.

Rational people would not keep harping on about something so obviously ludicrous and false.

and Rational thinking people wouldn't swear by what their governments or their agencies or other governments or their agencies say as 100% truth.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: chr0naut
Also, COVID-19, the disease, also caused heart issues, and did so far more frequently than the immunizations may have. Sort of messed with the interpretation of the statistics, though.

That's one thing I have thought before, if someone that had CoViD-19 and took the vaccine has heart problems, how do we know if they were:
1 - already present before CoViD-19;
2 - caused by CoViD-19;
3 - caused by the vaccine;
4 - any combination of the above?

We do know that multiple types of virus cause cardiac problems, and particularly myocarditis.

It isn't just COVID-19 that could be causing those cases, it could be a whole swathe of endemic viruses.

We do know that myocarditis is, even now, an underdiagnosed condition. Perhaps also we were just looking for it harder after we found the statistical bump?

All in all, I believe that the immunizations, and particularly the non-mRNA ones, caused or aggravated myocarditis and blood clots, but they were still rare reactions on the order of one in a million, with even smaller ratios of about one in 5 million for mRNA immunizations.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: chr0naut

It is absurd to believe that millions of doctors around the world committed medical fraud.

not really, many probably like you put their faith in the ones that put the guidelines out there. in other words believe the establishment no mater what.

and if they are following what the protocols say issued by the government they can't or should i say shouldn't be held liable. those that made them should be.

There are no guidelines that said to mark the cause of death as COVID-19 if a test was positive and to ignore other causes of death in the certification.

Case in point: Death Certification: Writing Cause-of-Death Statements - CDC

Paranoia that authorities are trying to deceive you about all things does not mean it is real.

a reply to: chr0naut

not during a pandemic where the CDC said that if someone died due to their comorbidities which were aggravated by covid should be listed as covid death underlying reason for death. covid didn't kill them, if they didn't have some other conditions that were aggravated by covid chances are they would have lived.

not only that your link is a revised version that they worked on during the pandemic. in other word spin it some more.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Justoneman

Well, we are talking America here.

Ambulance chasing lawyers and clients with dollars in their eyes jumping on the bandwagon?

It's hardly surprising.

Lawyers everywhere and not a good one to spare. Money to be made. I get that. I just wish the rule of law was still applicable.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: chr0naut

not during a pandemic where the CDC said that if someone died due to their comorbidities which were aggravated by covid should be listed as covid death underlying reason for death. covid didn't kill them, if they didn't have some other conditions that were aggravated by covid chances are they would have lived.

not only that your link is a revised version that they worked on during the pandemic. in other word spin it some more.

True/

That ones just spews BS over and over about the same lies. Some sites like MSN will take proven liars off if they deem them lies. Yes, even when it was totally true in fact but they called it lies. On ATS they are kinder than that and we get to put up with rinse and repeat whoppers of a lie for YEARS!

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: chr0naut

Doom porn is what you preached about NOT Taking the shot. Remember?

COVID-19 pandemic deaths

We are talking boots on the ground stuff now. People with proof it was the vax are suing..

Proof?

No, every man and their dog are trying to get money, but very few are successful, mainly because they don't actually have proof:

A ‘black hole’ for COVID vaccine injury claims

And, again, the statistics are showing no immunization related increase in cancer or mortality. Nada.

It's just hypochondria.

Also the data shows no immunization when having received the vax.

So besides not being effective, it is now coming out that it is far from safe also.

Statistics and stuff.

So there’s that too.

While I have no specific knowledge of mortality rates right now I do know I hear a lot about low birth rates worldwide and personally within my social groups and people I know of there are a lot of weird abnormalities such as young people with gout or people who all of a sudden have dormant things that are awake within their bodies. I personally after having covid (not the jab, I did not and will not get that) but after having tested positive for covid one time with mild symptoms I now have allergies. I take two pills nightly to keep from hacking up giant balls of green gunk in the mornings. I have shorter breath and after taking a allergie test where they put something like 70+ needles in my back, I am apparently allergic to everything. I dont know exactly what the lab engineered virus did but I am sure the jab was no better. The whole things was some kind of a scam and the beneficiary is the healthcare and pharma industry. No one gets rich off of us being healthy.