Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: chr0naut

So, once again defend murderers because why?

It isn't true that they didn't do that here in the USA.

They sure did do that and we have had threads on it too. I am ready to call BS once again.

The disease is 100's of thousands of times more deadly than the immunizations have proven to be.

Wouldn't that make those people who caused people to take no precautions against a prevalent spreading disease that has killed nearly two out of every person who wasn't protected and got the disease, responsible for far more deaths?

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
Interesting watch

New Study documents COVID19 Vaccine harms - Low platelets, GBS, Myocarditis

COVID-19 vaccines and adverse events of special interest: A multinational Global Vaccine Data Network (GVDN) cohort study of 99 million vaccinated individuals - Study

Thank you for sharing!

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
a reply to: PrivateAngel

I think this fits in with this thread

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Only Appear After COVID Vaccination: NHS Preprint - LINK

Myocarditis and pericarditis only occur after vaccination and not after COVID-19 infection, according to a recent preprint led by researchers at Oxford University, which compared health outcomes among COVID-vaccinated and unvaccinated children

Indeed!

Myocarditis and pericarditis only occur after vaccination and not after COVID-19 infection!

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts about this topic.

The truth always win in the end.

It might take some time, but the truth will win!

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: chr0naut

Facebook said that, then Gateway Pundit repeated it as if it were true. The CDC and the White House never said that:

they can spin it any way they want, those that died with covid from other conditions didn't die from covid. in other words covid didn't kill them their comorbidities did.

Exactly what comorbidities are you talking about? Let's consider a few of the most prevalent comorbidities mentioned in the woo-woo press in relation to COVID-19 deaths:

- Obesity? How many people die of obesity as their primary cause of death according to their death certificate?

- What about being older than 55, you know, being geriatric? How many people have died of being 'older than 55' as their primary cause of death on their death certificate?

Perhaps comorbidities, and specifically the ones that have been mentioned by the plandemicists, don't mean what you think, and they suggest they mean? While comorbidities may contribute to death, they sometimes aren't deadly conditions by themselves.

You see, when a disease causes death, there is always an escalating cascade of symptoms, any of which could be marked down as a cause of death but most frequently the disease symptom profile suggests that the disease itself is the primary cause of death, and the worsening severity of many comorbidities are only symptomatic of overall disease progression.

if someone dies while they have the flu from one of their comorbidities did the flu kill them? dollar to doughnuts you say yes, if no then the same should apply to covid.

If the comorbidities all were part of those fitting the disease profile common in other terminal cases of influenza, and the presence of influenza was determined in a laboratory assay, of course that would support the conclusion that influenza was primary cause of death.

Have a look at this paper: How Comorbidities Affect Hospitalization from Influenza in the Paediatric Population note that in this paper, 'atopic dermatitis' is noted as a co-morbidity, but how many people ever die of eczema?

the AAMC even said that the White said they were counting “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” and altered the way they count them. that's fudging numbers.

Dr Birx was answering a specific question about testing standards and the fact that adequate tests were not available early in the pandemic, in January and February 2020, and how, in some countries, they were recording that people who had actually died of COVID-19 as heart or kidney failure because they had no codes for COVID-19 nor adequate tests for the disease.

If you read the question and her whole answer in context, she was not saying what you think she was saying (the question and her response occurs after the 1 hour 37 minute mark into this press briefing: Donald Trump Coronavirus Task Force Briefing April 7. It was also a press briefing, not an instruction to doctors.

another fact checker with basically the same story from fakebook,

Early in the pandemic, some of the answers provided by public officials — who were scrambling to track the disease as it overwhelmed health systems — fed skepticism,” according to an article by the Association of American Medical Colleges. The article pointed to April 2020 comments by one White House official who was asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions; she answered: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” But “federal and state governments gradually altered such policies over the spring and summer to say that in order for a death to be counted as a COVID-19 death, the disease had to have played a role,” AAMC reported.
Claims that COVID death figures are inflated by counting those who died ‘with, not from’ the virus are premised on false assertions

That again is a partial quote, taken out of context of the question and her whole answer, of exactly the same press briefing.

Don't believe what you read in facebork. Anyone can write up almost anything they like. Even total fiction, misunderstanding and misinformation. If someone says something on social media platforms, then do a little sleuthing and verify what they said was true before you repost it.

originally posted by: PrivateAngel

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
a reply to: PrivateAngel

I think this fits in with this thread

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Only Appear After COVID Vaccination: NHS Preprint - LINK

Myocarditis and pericarditis only occur after vaccination and not after COVID-19 infection, according to a recent preprint led by researchers at Oxford University, which compared health outcomes among COVID-vaccinated and unvaccinated children

Indeed!

Myocarditis and pericarditis only occur after vaccination and not after COVID-19 infection!

... during the study.

The paper explains why.

People with COVID-19 were isolating and did not present at clinics.

a reply to: chr0naut

The disease is 100's of thousands of times more deadly than the immunizations have proven to be.

To Pfizer profits? Fight reality all you want. Easy way/hard way? I respect self determination. Sounds like you are still missing that Autism link with numbers like that.

originally posted by: G1111B1234
a reply to: chr0naut

lol safe and effective, that’s absolutely rubbish, at one point all the people in hospitals with Covid were mainly vaccinated lol

Well, in 2023 and 2024, the excess deaths are lower than in 2019. So, they ARE safe.

And the pandemic was declared over in 2022, and the only thing used against it in large numbers of doses enough to have an impact were the immunizations. So they ARE effective.

When you control the statistics you can say what you like. Strange how other countries are having similar reports around the same things being discussed.

*The Internet*

LOL.

Funny now how all the politicians just say they were safe lol and how other brands have been banned lol

The viral vector immunizations could not be re-factored fast enough to track with new variants of the virus. They were less effective than the mRNA ones (their direct competition), and the pandemic is over. They have stopped producing them mainly for those reasons. They haven't been banned.

Omg you trust the WHO the ones that had on their site about how effective types of masks are and how the ones for Covid wasn’t even good for dust particles lol

Disposable medical grade masks include static filter layers that can capture particles smaller than the 'pore size' of the mask.

But masks work primarily to reduce the velocity of exhalations, which means that exhaled particles don't travel as far in the time-frame that the virus is active in air. Without a doubt, they absolutely do that.

You must have your head somewhere that’s not on this planet lol lol lol lol

In 2023-2024, across the planet, this planet, excess deaths were lower than they were in 2019, before the pandemic.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut

The disease is 100's of thousands of times more deadly than the immunizations have proven to be.

To Pfizer profits? Fight reality all you want. Easy way/hard way? I respect self determination.

Pfizer didn't make the profits that they hoped, the AstraZaneca and J&J immunizations have closed up shop, and their profits are less than the far more deadly junk foods/alcohol/tobacco industries.

Sounds like you are still missing that Autism link with numbers like that.

That autism stuff that Wakefield proposed has been debunked so many times now.

But your reference to it pretty much identifies you as an anti-vaxxer.

LOL.

a reply to: chr0naut

But your reference to it pretty much identifies you as an anti-vaxxer.

Until Mr Science decides to release a study comparing the overall health of the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated, hell yeah.

originally posted by: PrivateAngel

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
Interesting watch

New Study documents COVID19 Vaccine harms - Low platelets, GBS, Myocarditis

COVID-19 vaccines and adverse events of special interest: A multinational Global Vaccine Data Network (GVDN) cohort study of 99 million vaccinated individuals - Study

Thank you for sharing!

Why in the paper linked was only the first dose showing any actual safety signals, but in later doses/boosters, there were no safety signals and everything was predominantly green on all different types of immunizations?

(*this is why you should read the actual papers, and listen to full speeches, and think a bit, before you repost stuff).

Perhaps the reinterpretation of the results presented in this video is just doom-porn from someone who has an entire YouRube channel with nothing but plandemicist doom-porn titles?

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut

But your reference to it pretty much identifies you as an anti-vaxxer.

Until Mr Science decides to release a study comparing the overall health of the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated, hell yeah.

Well, in the case of the COVID-19 immunizations, the 2023-2024 excess deaths figures show that fewer are dying now than were dying in 2019 (compared with the previous years to 2018).

Overall health took a hit during the pandemic, but that ended in 2022 and it appears that we have sprung back as healthy, if not more healthy, than we were before.

Of course, no-one ever got sick or died before 2021. The vax causes eeeeverythung!

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: PrivateAngel

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
a reply to: PrivateAngel

I think this fits in with this thread

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Only Appear After COVID Vaccination: NHS Preprint - LINK

Myocarditis and pericarditis only occur after vaccination and not after COVID-19 infection, according to a recent preprint led by researchers at Oxford University, which compared health outcomes among COVID-vaccinated and unvaccinated children

Indeed!

Myocarditis and pericarditis only occur after vaccination and not after COVID-19 infection!

... during the study.

The paper explains why.

People with COVID-19 were isolating and did not present at clinics.

Please, quit cherry picking and having amnesia on the rest. Just do that.

a reply to: chr0naut

Why in the paper linked was only the first dose showing any actual safety signals, but in later doses/boosters, there were no safety signals and everything was predominantly green on all different types of immunizations?

Keep a heads up on Protocol 7. well worth a watch on how these things work with questions like that. Don't worry as it is another Andrew Wakefield job so just ignore it as the memetic warfare kicks in.

a reply to: chr0naut

Well, in the case of the COVID-19 immunizations, the 2023-2024 excess deaths figures show that fewer are dying now than were dying in 2019 (compared with the previous years to 2018).

Depends what numbers you are looking at. How is that Barry Young case going? If you want a more accurate number, how are the rate on life insurance policy going these days?

a reply to: chr0naut

lol lol lol you getting your statistics from Pfizer lol
The masks were pointless and didn’t prevent anything lol, even with those masks the cough from someone would still travel all around the room you was in, they were completely useless.
I liked one thing about Covid , if there was ever a cue , I would cough and suddenly everyone would move lol.
It’s very strange having conflicting data from the governments and independent sources, it’s strange that other countries are having same problems.
Funny how they were saying how safe the vaccines were but mostly people who were vaccinated were in hospital and dying.
It’s strange how now there’s so many young people having heart issues etc , it’s strange how they had to con people , bribe people , threaten people to take the shot , no offence but if you need those tactics then there’s something very wrong.
I’m sorry but the truth is slowly coming out and I’m so happy I was on the right side of history!!!
I do wonder why you’re even on this site to be honest.

a reply to: chr0naut

Actually most countries at the beginning had lower statistics over dearth’s etc accept some but they were using the wrong medications etc
As soon as the vaccines rolled out , boom

a reply to: PrivateAngel

Your link (the Epoch Times?!!) wants me to sign up.

Seriously? Myocarditis and pericarditis happened a long time before any vaccines.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut

Well, in the case of the COVID-19 immunizations, the 2023-2024 excess deaths figures show that fewer are dying now than were dying in 2019 (compared with the previous years to 2018).

Depends what numbers you are looking at. How is that Barry Young case going? If you want a more accurate number, how are the rate on life insurance policy going these days?

I have been looking at data from most countries in the world.

Barry Young has been convicted and has lost his job because the data he released released had patient identifying detail. It also wasn't a complete raw dataset but had been manipulated to make it appear that there were more adverse reactions than there actually were, implying that everyone who used medical services for any reason were all caused by the immunizations.

The premiums on my life insurance have also increased before 2020. As far as I know, insurance companies don't differentiate based upon immunization status.

originally posted by: G1111B1234
a reply to: chr0naut

Actually most countries at the beginning had lower statistics over dearth’s etc accept some but they were using the wrong medications etc
As soon as the vaccines rolled out , boom

In most countries, the peak in excess deaths began before the immunizations, and entirely in line with the spread of the pandemic around the world.