Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Justoneman

If you say so Justoneman.

But again the vast majority of people who choose to become vaccinated are all doing just fine.

Maybe a taste of your own medicine would not go amiss.

Anyhoo you have a good day.

Incredible, an emergency unit teaching nurse knows less than you? You belittle him and, in so doing, dozens of other professionals. Then you state that the majority of those who have had the vaccine are fine. You know this how? You don’t. Try not to peddle ignorance, we’re supposed to be denying it.

The facts are uncomfortable for sure, but they are the facts. More and more evidence is coming out from reliable studies and reputable scientists that there are severe problems with these vaccines. The producers of these vaccines are also admitting that there are problems.

I think it’s safe to say that we might be at the tip of a very big iceberg, but time will tell and I think we all need to wait and see.

a reply to: PrivateAngel

The vaccines were rolled out in 2021.

The high excess deaths started in 2020, a year before the COVID-19 immunizations were rolled out in any significant numbers, and this paper ends in 2022 only a year after the roll-out began.

Excess deaths in 2023-2024, however, were lower than in 2019 pre-pandemic levels, in almost all countries.

Annual excess deaths recorded in Europe from 2017 to 2023

Weekly number of excess deaths in England and Wales from January 2020 to January 2024

Excess mortality: Deaths from all causes compared to average over previous years

This is a case of the press getting a legitimate paper, then purposefully misinterpreting it to get a headline.

Nurse Campbell has been untruthfully misrepresenting and inflating the situation for years. Perhaps some of the excess deaths have been due to the hesitancy that Campbell has promoted in his lives for clicks campaign?

originally posted by: ksihkahe
VAERS has been known to be underreported for decades and elsewhere I posted congressional testimony by agency officials telling this to Congress long before COVID vaccines were rolled out.

VAERS may be underreported but is also not verified, anyone can report any thing without any kind of confirmation.

There have been multiple threads on what the vaccines do to specific cancer suppression functions in the body, but it's never enough.

There have been threads on the immune suppression resulting from COVID vaccines, but it's never enough.

Threads are not facts.

For the record... if you want to blame cancer on screening delays, it's still due to negligence from health officials because lockdowns were widespread during COVID with zero evidence they worked and several decades of agreement in public health that they don't.

I agree, it's from negligence and/or bad decisions when deciding how to apply the resources available. What could be worse, not having enough doctors to treat many people with a bad flu or not having doctors looking for other diseases with a much higher death rate? They chose the flu.

Health agencies are now shifting their death projections to include this 10+% excess mortality and claiming that that the problem is going away. It's not. It's cumulative, like inflation, and it doesn't change that people that are vaccinated are dying at an increased rate.

That's something I have said on another forum some months ago, the death projections are based on previous years, so when the CoViD-19 years and their excess deaths start to be included in those reference years either the excess deaths
get lower or they are kept at a "normal" level that is not the "normal" it was 10 years before.

Yet, when the TV says...
Suddenly nobody that ignored all the evidence of vaccine harms requires any evidence to believe that. Don't you need evidence and specific data, or is that only if it's things that don't confirm your beliefs?

It was not the TV that said it, I have seen it from my personal experience.

Decreased screenings do not cause a statistically significant increase in rare cancers in people under 50. We're not talking about years of delayed screenings. Delayed screenings for a year do not cause an upward trajectory for multiple years.

How many years of upward trajectory are you talking about? And the delay was not one year, in Portugal it was close to 2.5 years.

These are not complicated things to understand. You were simply lied to by people that literally are beneficiaries of pharmaceutical company profits.

You are assuming too much, I don't watch or listen to those people.

Every single thing I've posted and every time I've taken care to explain the things your televisions and government officials lie about, using my extensive real world experience as an actual public health professional (not a federal official that spends their days collecting royalty checks from pharma patents or planning my career move to the board of a pharma company), it's never enough.

Sorry, I don't remember if I ever saw one of your posts regarding this topic before.

If you choose to remain ignorant please don't blame it on lack of evidence, especially while you parrot the things told to you by those who have been suppressing any attempt to provide evidence for four years. Certainly not while you refuse to look at the heaps of evidence available to you if you venture outside government propaganda and commercial news organjzations, both of which received millions upon millions from pharmaceutical interests.

You are assuming too much about me, and you are wrong.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: PrivateAngel

Let's not forget 2019 starlink startet to put those satélites up.

There is a strong correlation between major plagues and the introduction of new electromagnetic technologies...

Check the book the invisible rainbow....

Never let a crisis go to waste

We had EM in those frequency bands for a decade beforehand.

originally posted by: primalfractal

Fauci never claimed that the vaccines would be 100% effective.

The effectiveness of the vaccines was measured by the Pharma companies and they soon discovered that this value waned over several months.

Anti-vax sites continue to hold him to task over things he never claimed. Those anti-vax sites supply no alternate mitigation from the disease with any effectiveness at all. Millions have died from the disease. Some because they took no precautions.

originally posted by: G1111B1234
a reply to: andy06shake

No matter the education it’s the evidence that’s important! So there is that!

Campbell generates no evidence himself. He just comments on the information others provide and misrepresents their findings, and even ignores their educated conclusions.

He does this because he has a popular YouTube channel based entirely on sensationalist lies, which makes him rich.

originally posted by: Justoneman
There are none so blind as those that swallowed the Kool-Aid with the brainwashing mix in it. The vax was a disaster. If you can't see that now, even with the Pharma companies admitting the facts we thought were so, God help you.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: G1111B1234

Maybe you should ask the local street sweepers for their informed opinion on communicable diseases and subsequent vaccinations.

The man in question is not a professional in the field hence his opinion is exactly that.

Now where the evidence is concerned could you present such please?

Because news articles and nurse educator's uninformed opinions aside some actual facts might be nice.

And the fact is most people who are vaccinated are doing just fine.

As is clearly evidenced by the fact that were not all dead or dying which i can only assume you would like to be the colour of the day.

Even the immunizations that have been withdrawn were, and are, safer than table salt.

The same is not true for the disease, which the immunizations reduced greatly.

originally posted by: marg6043
Is another disease in raise and to brake record since the jabs were rolled out.

Cancer, I am not doctor, but for 30 years the cancer association had cancer on the decline and now out of nowhere we are to break records for 2024.

Coincidence? you tell me and the numbers of people with more common cancer are alarming.

They stopped or greatly curtailed cancer diagnoses, and therefore early treatment, during the pandemic.

It is no wonder incidences of severe cancer are increasing after the pandemic.

a reply to: ksihkahe

So things like VAERS aren't completely accurate, and the immunizations aren't 100% effective, therefore we should ignore the stuff we do know, and instead, in some sort of knee jerk reaction to made up doom-porn, we should abandon attempts to protect ourselves, and just die quietly, or maybe live, who knows?

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: ksihkahe

The American Cancer Society reports for 2024 finds that alarming the growing rate of cancer on younger adults, now today cancer can be blame it to many factors and when no factors is found they blame it on environmental issues.

But people should be alarmed of this increases, especially after 30 years of previous rates been lower.

I am sure is a lot of factors that can be linked, but how many of them has been causes by modified genetic vaccine like covid, how is to say that that jab can be 100% safe when it comes to altering the human body cells.

2024—First Year the US Expects More than 2M New Cases of Cancer

www.cancer.org...#:~:text=Cancer

I am sure that finding related to this will be sweep under the rug, hidden in reports and will even take a whole generation to find out how much damage the covid jab really did to people.

Cancer treatments are expensive, very profitable and big pharma is working on all kind of jabs and pills to profit from it.

People still drink alcohol and smoke/inhale all sorts of totally unnecessary stuff. If you want to worry about cancer numbers, deal with the most prevalent and strongest carcinogens first.

originally posted by: JPRCrastney

originally posted by: marg6043
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Cancer treatments are expensive, very profitable and big pharma is working on all kind of jabs and pills to profit from it.

Which is crazy when 'cancer' was cured by Royal Raymond Rife, back in the 1920s! Obviously the big pharma companies and Cancer societies don't actually want cancer cured, because if it is, they'll lose a massive cash cow in drug treatments, and research etc.

Umm, Rife died. Probably of disease or cancer.

Also, in the 1920's, they couldn't generate radio or direct electric frequencies high enough to 'resonate' with microscopic pathogens.

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: PrivateAngel

John is a retired nurse educator and not a proper medical Doctor, so there is that.

Ya know what’s odd.

Hundreds of thousands of “medical doctors” around the world fell in line and didn’t ask an iota of the impartial questions or review a mote of the data he has.

So there is that.

Rubbish. Just total BS.

There have been doctors that have dissented against the vaccines. There has also been prolonged in depth clinical analysis from even before the immunizations were approved, and I'm sure that most doctors around the world were watching and reading everything that came out.

originally posted by: nugget1
If someone died in a car accident they were given a post-mortem PCR test, and if it was positive their cause of death was listed as Covid. If a 90 year old in a senior facility died in their sleep and a PM test was positive, ncause of death was Covid.
They got away with inflating the numbers in this mannor for some time before getting caught.

Normally when new diseases emerge extensive autopsies are performed to map out as much of the disease as possible, but with Covid a positive PCR test with enough to warrant foregoing an autopsy. Had they been performed on a sampling of the deceased would they have found clotting issues and myocarditis, etc. if the vaccinated? In the unvaccinated? Well never know; the waters have been too muddied. It's up to each individual to decide for themselves if the vaccine truly sved or harmed people.

It's interesting to note that the seasonal flu completely vanised. In 1968 the world population was 3.7 billion people; an estimated 1 to 4 million people world wide died from the Hong Cong flu.
World population today is 7.9 billion people, with a total of 7 million estimated to have died from Covid in the four years since its official emergence.

Crunch the numbers.

If people died of extreme respiratory distress (ARDS), with fever, headaches, and all the other symptoms, and they tested positive for COVID-19 by the best and most selective testing method we have (PCR), then they died of COVID-19, it was recorded as such.

If someone died of blunt force trauma and someone put on the medical certificate that they died of COVID-19, based upon a positive test, then that person who filled out that death certificate would be up for medical fraud. This also relates to the legal aspects of determining cause of death where such a misdiagnosis could cover up the commission of a crime.

To suggest that doctors were doing that by the thousands (or millions) is nonsense. They aren't that stupid.

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
a reply to: PrivateAngel

I think this fits in with this thread

Myocarditis and Pericarditis Only Appear After COVID Vaccination: NHS Preprint - LINK

Myocarditis and pericarditis only occur after vaccination and not after COVID-19 infection, according to a recent preprint led by researchers at Oxford University, which compared health outcomes among COVID-vaccinated and unvaccinated children

Reading the actual paper, and not the sites that commented on the paper, the reason for this (mentioned in the paper) is that no young people who were isolating with an infection of COVID-19, presented at a hospital or clinic.

You need to read the paper and not the commentary sites who reinterpret things to get their headline.

Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccination in children and adolescents

originally posted by: ksihkahe
a reply to: ksihkahe

I'll just add this that I provided for another vaccine aficionado.

This is ex-CDC chief Redfield explaining exactly what I explained to them the day before the interview dropped.

"If you came down and visited me and interviewed my patients...you'd interview patient after patient after patient that did not have COVID but are very sick. You would say very sick, long COVID patients. And it's all from the vaccine."

"The spike protein is immunotoxic. You get infected, it's immunotoxic. But when you give the vaccine, we make the spike protein."

"When I give you an mRNA vaccine...I don't know how much spike protein you make because I give you mRNA and then your body goes and makes it...You may make it for a week...You may make it for a month."

Full interview
Relevant portions

If the spike protein is an immunotoxin, why haven't everyone around me been presenting to our local clinic? They have almost all been immunized several times?

I also had no adverse effects at all, not even soreness at the site of injection. Nada. Same for everyone else. And I have asked.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah... Could there be natural electromagnetic inferences too?

We can talk about the absence of electromagnetic data, but since we have data there seems to be a correlation.

Doesn't jive with the established world view, but it is what it is...

a reply to: chr0naut

So how does EM affect electrostatic fields?

Because there is also the ebner effect that implies a rather immediate genetic response to changing electrostatic fields...

originally posted by: marg6043
But people should be alarmed of this increases, especially after 30 years of previous rates been lower.

If I'm not mistaken, in the link you posted they talk about two different things, the risk of dying from cancer (which has been declining in the last 30 years) and the the number of news (which they say "is on the rise for many common cancers" but do not say when that rise started).

Cancer treatments are expensive, very profitable and big pharma is working on all kind of jabs and pills to profit from it.

A work colleague's father was diagnosed with lung cancer, and has been treated in a private hospital. One of the medication they told him to have costs, if I'm not mistaken, around 15 Euros each pill, and the treatment was 2 each day for 30 days.
Cancer treatment is a huge business.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: chr0naut

So how does EM affect electrostatic fields?

Because there is also the ebner effect that implies a rather immediate genetic response to changing electrostatic fields...

Electrostatics is part of electrical physics. But electrostatics are by definition, static.

It is meaningless to talk about frequency with electrostatics.

Also if electrostatic charges did cause biological systems to revert to archaic forms, why don't people walking on nylon carpets all day, revert?

Although I could expect that electron charge might possibly play a part in epigenetic thresholds, this would have to be a highly proximal thing, requiring extremely local charge gradients.

To grossly charge an entire organism would not lead to notable charge gradients at a molecular level - kind of like the same tide lifting all boats.

Problem with that theory is they fudged the numbers everyway they possibly could to make it appear people died from Covid. Now we have sudden heart attack syndrome in a lot of place. High end athletes made a point to lie about getting the vax and people who took it on TV in my state, one died within minutes of being injected as a show of how good it is, and others were injured immediately. It is like God was giving us a clue.

I think the poison was randomly distributed.

My father took two of them and did die within 12 months of the last one with a Heart attack.

reply to: malte86