An easy question for the left

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

First define what you mean by 'left'?

If, and, but, and now what? 😀

Simply put: in 2016, Trump stated: I ALONE can fix it!" If that's not the statement of a self-confessed autocrat, I don't know what is.

Since that uncoerced confession, Trump and the Republican far right's actions have clearly demonstrated the truth of the statement. The man, and those who support him, ie the Republicans who insist upon gerrymandering the states and thereby placing power in the hands of the minority, the Senate Republicans who denied the Democrat's ability to balance the Supreme Court, and the Republicans who supported a minority attempting to overturn a PROVEN legitimately elected President, are CLEARLY a threat to democracy!!!

Took me SIX PAGES to get to someone who answered the question the way I would have.

To All Here. Trump is a threat to democracy because he and his followers stormed our Capitol to try and stop the counting of electors. Unless, of course, you're saying that was ok. I know a lot of Dems that would love to see Harris and Biden cry voter fraud if Trump wins and send those electors back to the States and let it go through the courts with delay after delay after delay. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM.

Never thought that someone being a sore loser would be this tough on our Nation. And frankly, Trump is a THREAT because that's the way I SEE HIM. It matters not to me what anyone else here thinks on the matter. We all have our views. You can see Trump your way, and I'll continue to see him mine. Unless, of course, that bothers some of you, to which I don't care.

Vote in November. Let your voices be heard. And stop with the sore loser BS. Didn't any of you take T-ball? Lose gracefully, pick yourself up, and try harder next time. STOP with the whining when you lose please. THAT WOULD BE EVERYONE WHO DOES IT.

Oh, and SIX PAGES to discuss your disgust for "the left" seems a bit much guys. You do this on every thread. You ask a question, and then answer it yourself with a one-sided view. Same players, same comments, every time.

reply to: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: network dude
One thing seems to be consistent with regard to the message the left is offering. Donald J. Trump is a threat to democracy. That sounds like something that matters. Something big. Something important. So if this is really this important, I think it's imperative that those of us who don't get this, understand what you mean. Those of us on the right MUST grasp the "why" part of the threat to democracy.

I can't guarantee that everyone will be nice, but I can say that this question is sincere. If it's real, it this is a real thing, and Trump is honestly a threat to democracy, we all need to understand why so we don't have a bad time.

Please offer a real coherent explanation of what this means.

Well I'm only a left leaning moderate, not a lefty per se but sure I can summarize this up easily:

- Trump already refused to honor the free and fair election he lost. The peaceful transfer of power is a tenant of democracy. When someone who clearly lost, refuses to concede, it stains democracy. If he had concerns, which he did, the proper route was to go through the courts. They courts threw all 62 court cases out. He lost and refused to concede.
- He was involved in the setup and execuatio of a fake elector's plot, which again seeks to go around the democratic election process.
- He made a very threatening phone call to try and get the Georgia results overturned. Again, interfering in a democratic process.

If he would have just come out after his challenges got shut down, and conceded, my guess is the left would not be screaming this today.

Just my humble 2 cents.

thanks for answering the question. I don't agree with the points, but I don't have to.

I would ask you if you are serious in thinking that it Trump had admitted Joe Biden beat him fair and square, the left would not be this upset. That doesn't compute on my end.

Speaking for myself, yes, if Trump had admitted that Biden had beat him fair and square I would still think that Trump is a not-too-bright, career white-collar criminal, with an extreme Narcissistic-Sociopathic Personality, and a dangerously inadequate management style and for all those reasons I would not want to see him in the Oval Office again. For all those reasons, I think he would be a threat to the welfare of the nation, but I wouldn't think that he is a threat to democracy.

The threat to democracy occurred when Trump tried to do an end-run around the rules that required him to leave power behind after he lost. That's not just a momentary difference of opinion on his policies as POTUS, that's an attempt to unilaterally elevate himself above the fundamental process by which power flows through our nation--potentially forever. Furthermore, that impulse to try to break the rules is not just a one-off momentary lapse of judgment. It's an intrinsic part of the Narcissistic Personality. He's been not playing by the rules his entire life, and I honestly think you would have to be an idiot to think he wouldn't try it again if given the chance.

And if he didn't leave, you would have a point, he did and you don't.

originally posted by: Disgusted123
Took me SIX PAGES to get to someone who answered the question the way I would have.

To All Here. Trump is a threat to democracy because he and his followers stormed our Capitol to try and stop the counting of electors. Unless, of course, you're saying that was ok. I know a lot of Dems that would love to see Harris and Biden cry voter fraud if Trump wins and send those electors back to the States and let it go through the courts with delay after delay after delay. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM.

Never thought that someone being a sore loser would be this tough on our Nation. And frankly, Trump is a THREAT because that's the way I SEE HIM. It matters not to me what anyone else here thinks on the matter. We all have our views. You can see Trump your way, and I'll continue to see him mine. Unless, of course, that bothers some of you, to which I don't care.

Vote in November. Let your voices be heard. And stop with the sore loser BS. Didn't any of you take T-ball? Lose gracefully, pick yourself up, and try harder next time. STOP with the whining when you lose please. THAT WOULD BE EVERYONE WHO DOES IT.

Oh, and SIX PAGES to discuss your disgust for "the left" seems a bit much guys. You do this on every thread. You ask a question, and then answer it yourself with a one-sided view. Same players, same comments, every time.

reply to: VoiceofReality

are you reading the same thread I am? I think not.

I asked and in 8 pages, I got 4 answers. Most are the same, I don't agree with them, but at least I now understand what folks mean when they say that. You should remove those lenses you are using and try unbiased one's every now and then.

For the very few who did answer the question, thank you. I'd apologize for the 8 pages of garbage but it will happen again, the next time someone is frightened of a question.

The main argument seems to be that Trump didn't concede the election. Knowing how the 2016 election went, that makes me smile.

He believed then, and likely believes now that he was #ed out of the last election. I also think that. In fact, I don't just think it, I know it. And the facts are on my side.

The DNC, the IC, and the "deep state" actively suppressed the true reporting of the laptop before the election using the "it's all Russia's fault" tagline they must use due to not having any imagination or intelligence. Enough voters have stated that had they known about this, they wouldn't have voted for Biden, and Trump would have won. All that happened, without one ballot being hijacked. (I still believe that happened, but can't prove it)

So there is a very good and valid reason for Trump to think as he does. He's right.

But he could have handled it much better. The trap set for him on Jan 6th worked flawlessly. And no, I can't prove that part, yet. But it's my firm belief that security was intentionally kept stupidly low, and outside agitators were used to agitate the crowd and make the events what they were. When that is proven, there will either be jail time for the guilty, or country justice, whichever is fine by me. He should never had let that happen, and his constant crying about it didn't help, it only made the dems smile more. Hopefully he learned, but being the narcist he is, I doubt it.

He left office on January 19th and Joe Biden moved in on January 20th. If that was different, Ima need a link.

So in my eyes, Trump is guilty of being arrogant, ego driven, and bombastic. But he made things happen, and I believe he has a better shot at fixing things I see wrong, than Joe Biden, who quite obviously will continue doing exactly what he has done, until his meat puppet suit wears out and they bring in cackles. I wonder, do you folks on the left contemplate what a Harris presidency might look like?

I don't think Trump is a threat to democracy at all, but he is a threat to the current establishment, and the way they have been operating. If it's agenda 2025 or just a really, really good house cleaning, it's needed badly.

Diapers and politicians should be changed often and for the same reason. -Sam Clemens

He means you. Why is president Trump a threat to you.

a reply to: quintessentone

a reply to: network dude

I do not find Trump or Biden to be a threat to democracy directly.

What I believe is that because of Biden and Trump the extreme elements of the Democrat and Republican parties are becoming more radicalized, more marginalized and more weaponized. Couple that with a lack of accountability or extreme ownership , increasing isolation and financial strain then I think it is the possible behavior of those fringe types that puts democracy at risk to varying degrees.

a reply to: network dude

They think he can abolish elections and declare himself eternal ruler. They also think he (or GOP in general) are fascist. So we can see they need to go back to 11th grade history class.

a reply to: opethPA

and the process we have had in place for decades is what's going to determine the next election. As long as no cheating happens. If better candidates ran, and were as effective at getting free air time, we might see something different. But the profit driven MSM can't stop talking Trump, and when they do, they make him powerful. When the complain about him, his name is promoted, even in a bad light. Greed is what caused this, and now that it's here, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. But I do have good news for you.

Trump can only run 4 years. And if he does really well, and makes things better, perhaps whomever helps him will be a nicer, more easy going person in public and you will feel better.

I just want to be safe and able to earn enough to survive. I believe Trump has a better shot of making that happen than Biden does, based on past performance of both. If not, then all I can say is, suck it up buttercup. If Biden wins all of us will have to, so there that is.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: quintessentone

Why are you focusing on the definition of the who in that question but cannot answer the actual question?

You are seeming to be setting up a distraction rather than actually wanting clarification.

It has to do with intent and context...yeah, still haven't got a specific definition from the OP. He only supposes.

why don't you go find a thread you can derail that isn't this one. I realize you have a mission here to be the best DERP you can, and trust me on this, you have my vote. But others may actually want to offer an answer.

So you finally decided to explain what you mean by 'left' a little late in the game, next time do better in your opening post.

that was my mistake. I just ASSumed that the people here on ATS were smart enough to understand the basics. I was incorrect.

It’s so exhausting dealing with the Liberals and all their deflecting, double talk and refusing to give straight answers to simple questions.

now the bigger question can be asked.

Are they not answering because they aren't smart enough,

or is it because they are afraid the answer will make them realize how silly they have been acting?

Yes, most of them are not very bright...but the main reason they won't answer, is because nobody has actually told them what their answer should be yet.

a reply to: CarlLaFong

I'm getting that feeling as well. Perhaps some talking points are in order.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Irishhaf

Ve are asking ze questions, now?

Hmmm...

I guess I was a little harsh, cause a blindingly obvious aspect of the left is an inability to answer a simple question, so in a way he/she/it answered the question.

Also isnt godwin's law still a thing, you didnt state it explicitly but you certainly implied it.

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: quintessentone

Why are you focusing on the definition of the who in that question but cannot answer the actual question?

You are seeming to be setting up a distraction rather than actually wanting clarification.

It has to do with intent and context...yeah, still haven't got a specific definition from the OP. He only supposes.

why don't you go find a thread you can derail that isn't this one. I realize you have a mission here to be the best DERP you can, and trust me on this, you have my vote. But others may actually want to offer an answer.

So you finally decided to explain what you mean by 'left' a little late in the game, next time do better in your opening post.

that was my mistake. I just ASSumed that the people here on ATS were smart enough to understand the basics. I was incorrect.

It’s so exhausting dealing with the Liberals and all their deflecting, double talk and refusing to give straight answers to simple questions.

now the bigger question can be asked.

Are they not answering because they aren't smart enough,

or is it because they are afraid the answer will make them realize how silly they have been acting?

Yes, most of them are not very bright...but the main reason they won't answer, is because nobody has actually told them what their answer should be yet.

Correcto mundo. It’s really sad that so many of the left have no critical thinking skills anymore. All they seem capable of is parroting what nbc or cnn has brainwashed them to say, even sadder programed them how to think. Not just here of course but SM in general. I really notice it on facebook in political post, not a independent critical thought to be had. What’s entertaining to watch though is the way the left will parrot straight up debunked lies because they haven’t caught up on the latest propaganda in a few days. This happened to me today someone was saying I was lying until I posted the video showing the truth, it went crickets🤣

originally posted by: some_stupid_name

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: network dude
One thing seems to be consistent with regard to the message the left is offering. Donald J. Trump is a threat to democracy. That sounds like something that matters. Something big. Something important. So if this is really this important, I think it's imperative that those of us who don't get this, understand what you mean. Those of us on the right MUST grasp the "why" part of the threat to democracy.

I can't guarantee that everyone will be nice, but I can say that this question is sincere. If it's real, it this is a real thing, and Trump is honestly a threat to democracy, we all need to understand why so we don't have a bad time.

Please offer a real coherent explanation of what this means.

Well I'm only a left leaning moderate, not a lefty per se but sure I can summarize this up easily:

- Trump already refused to honor the free and fair election he lost. The peaceful transfer of power is a tenant of democracy. When someone who clearly lost, refuses to concede, it stains democracy. If he had concerns, which he did, the proper route was to go through the courts. They courts threw all 62 court cases out. He lost and refused to concede.
- He was involved in the setup and execuatio of a fake elector's plot, which again seeks to go around the democratic election process.
- He made a very threatening phone call to try and get the Georgia results overturned. Again, interfering in a democratic process.

If he would have just come out after his challenges got shut down, and conceded, my guess is the left would not be screaming this today.

Just my humble 2 cents.

thanks for answering the question. I don't agree with the points, but I don't have to.

I would ask you if you are serious in thinking that it Trump had admitted Joe Biden beat him fair and square, the left would not be this upset. That doesn't compute on my end.

I believe that personally yes. Would I stake my life on the fact that I believe every single lefty would as well....no.

To me the biggest problem with Trump is he doesn't deal well with reality, especially in situations where he loses. That scares me. To me personally if he had manned up, conceded the election, and just said "I'll be back in 4 years" vs. all the fake electors plots, riling his base up, etc. people would not be nearly as scared of him as they are. Again just my humble 2 cents.

If the democrats hadn't used a foreign intelligence agency to generate a fake dossier to influence the 2016 election and then used their connections in the media and silicon valley to outright censor and hide true information in yet another attempt to steal an election, you might have a valid augment on the Don. It also didn't help that on the night of the election Trump was so far in the lead that most outlets begrudgingly admitted that he was going to win and then the tooth fairy delivers enough votes to flip the outcome at 3am in the morning well I think I would question the legitimacy what you called a free fair election.

It really isn't though. Back in Canada, where I'm originally from, it was frequent for elections to change after you went to bed. Some polls didn't close until 10PM your time, so by the time all the votes got counted, yes, you would have to wait for the morning to determine the real winner. And we have strict voter ID laws in Canada. I'm not drawing a straight comparison here as the system have their differences for sure, all I'm saying is "leading when you went to bed" doesn't mean much if they are still actively counting the votes.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: network dude
One thing seems to be consistent with regard to the message the left is offering. Donald J. Trump is a threat to democracy. That sounds like something that matters. Something big. Something important. So if this is really this important, I think it's imperative that those of us who don't get this, understand what you mean. Those of us on the right MUST grasp the "why" part of the threat to democracy.

I can't guarantee that everyone will be nice, but I can say that this question is sincere. If it's real, it this is a real thing, and Trump is honestly a threat to democracy, we all need to understand why so we don't have a bad time.

Please offer a real coherent explanation of what this means.

Well I'm only a left leaning moderate, not a lefty per se but sure I can summarize this up easily:

- Trump already refused to honor the free and fair election he lost. The peaceful transfer of power is a tenant of democracy. When someone who clearly lost, refuses to concede, it stains democracy. If he had concerns, which he did, the proper route was to go through the courts. They courts threw all 62 court cases out. He lost and refused to concede.
- He was involved in the setup and execuatio of a fake elector's plot, which again seeks to go around the democratic election process.
- He made a very threatening phone call to try and get the Georgia results overturned. Again, interfering in a democratic process.

If he would have just come out after his challenges got shut down, and conceded, my guess is the left would not be screaming this today.

Just my humble 2 cents.

thanks for answering the question. I don't agree with the points, but I don't have to.

I would ask you if you are serious in thinking that it Trump had admitted Joe Biden beat him fair and square, the left would not be this upset. That doesn't compute on my end.

Speaking for myself, yes, if Trump had admitted that Biden had beat him fair and square I would still think that Trump is a not-too-bright, career white-collar criminal, with an extreme Narcissistic-Sociopathic Personality, and a dangerously inadequate management style and for all those reasons I would not want to see him in the Oval Office again. For all those reasons, I think he would be a threat to the welfare of the nation, but I wouldn't think that he is a threat to democracy.

The threat to democracy occurred when Trump tried to do an end-run around the rules that required him to leave power behind after he lost. That's not just a momentary difference of opinion on his policies as POTUS, that's an attempt to unilaterally elevate himself above the fundamental process by which power flows through our nation--potentially forever. Furthermore, that impulse to try to break the rules is not just a one-off momentary lapse of judgment. It's an intrinsic part of the Narcissistic Personality. He's been not playing by the rules his entire life, and I honestly think you would have to be an idiot to think he wouldn't try it again if given the chance.

And if he didn't leave, you would have a point, he did and you don't.

Because he didn't have a choice. The military would have gone in and removed him....lol

In my humble opinion, my point still stands because to this day he has never conceded and used the words "I lost the 2020 free and fair election."

If he did that it would go a long way in repairing his reputation with some on the left. Others will continue to hold a grudge.

originally posted by: network dude
He believed then, and likely believes now that he was #ed out of the last election. I also think that. In fact, I don't just think it, I know it. And the facts are on my side.

The DNC, the IC, and the "deep state" actively suppressed the true reporting of the laptop before the election using the "it's all Russia's fault" tagline they must use due to not having any imagination or intelligence. Enough voters have stated that had they known about this, they wouldn't have voted for Biden, and Trump would have won. All that happened, without one ballot being hijacked. (I still believe that happened, but can't prove it)

But the facts are not on your side. In fact there are zero successful court cases due to lack of evidence. There has been zero credible evidence brought forward saying there was wide spread fraud to the level where it would have changed the outcome (no one would argue that there were small, insignificant issues).

If you have evidence please send the link to the rest of us. Credible evidence only please.

As for that whole the Russia gate thing, I can tell you it had zero impact on who I voted for. I can also speak confidentially that none of the friends I discuss politics with would have changed their vote either. We voted for Biden because we liked his policies better than we like Trump's policies. It's that simple for some of us. Obviously I can't speak for everyone.

As for right now, I think the country needs a change. I would happily vote for the Republicans over Biden, if they ran ANYONE other than Trump. He's rubbed me the wrong way for long enough, that he will never get my vote. If they ran Haley she'd get my vote in an instant. Most moderates I know feel the same way. We don't want Biden again, but he's still a better option than Trump. Again just my humble opinion, and those that I know IRL.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: quintessentone

Why are you focusing on the definition of the who in that question but cannot answer the actual question?

You are seeming to be setting up a distraction rather than actually wanting clarification.

It has to do with intent and context...yeah, still haven't got a specific definition from the OP. He only supposes.

why don't you go find a thread you can derail that isn't this one. I realize you have a mission here to be the best DERP you can, and trust me on this, you have my vote. But others may actually want to offer an answer.

So you finally decided to explain what you mean by 'left' a little late in the game, next time do better in your opening post.

that was my mistake. I just ASSumed that the people here on ATS were smart enough to understand the basics. I was incorrect.

It’s so exhausting dealing with the Liberals and all their deflecting, double talk and refusing to give straight answers to simple questions.

now the bigger question can be asked.

Are they not answering because they aren't smart enough,

or is it because they are afraid the answer will make them realize how silly they have been acting?

Yes, most of them are not very bright...but the main reason they won't answer, is because nobody has actually told them what their answer should be yet.

Correcto mundo. It’s really sad that so many of the left have no critical thinking skills anymore. All they seem capable of is parroting what nbc or cnn has brainwashed them to say, even sadder programed them how to think. Not just here of course but SM in general. I really notice it on facebook in political post, not a independent critical thought to be had. What’s entertaining to watch though is the way the left will parrot straight up debunked lies because they haven’t caught up on the latest propaganda in a few days. This happened to me today someone was saying I was lying until I posted the video showing the truth, it went crickets🤣

I would take my crititical analysis abilities, and IQ, against anyone. What you say is simply not true. If I didn't like to consider all sides of a situation I wouldn't be here, I'd be floating around the sites you mentioned above. Reality is I research things A LOT. So no, sorry to disappoint you but some of us look at things very critically. We just don't come to the same conclusions as you and that upsets you for some reason.

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: quintessentone

Why are you focusing on the definition of the who in that question but cannot answer the actual question?

You are seeming to be setting up a distraction rather than actually wanting clarification.

It has to do with intent and context...yeah, still haven't got a specific definition from the OP. He only supposes.

why don't you go find a thread you can derail that isn't this one. I realize you have a mission here to be the best DERP you can, and trust me on this, you have my vote. But others may actually want to offer an answer.

So you finally decided to explain what you mean by 'left' a little late in the game, next time do better in your opening post.

that was my mistake. I just ASSumed that the people here on ATS were smart enough to understand the basics. I was incorrect.

It’s so exhausting dealing with the Liberals and all their deflecting, double talk and refusing to give straight answers to simple questions.

now the bigger question can be asked.

Are they not answering because they aren't smart enough,

or is it because they are afraid the answer will make them realize how silly they have been acting?

Yes, most of them are not very bright...but the main reason they won't answer, is because nobody has actually told them what their answer should be yet.

Correcto mundo. It’s really sad that so many of the left have no critical thinking skills anymore. All they seem capable of is parroting what nbc or cnn has brainwashed them to say, even sadder programed them how to think. Not just here of course but SM in general. I really notice it on facebook in political post, not a independent critical thought to be had. What’s entertaining to watch though is the way the left will parrot straight up debunked lies because they haven’t caught up on the latest propaganda in a few days. This happened to me today someone was saying I was lying until I posted the video showing the truth, it went crickets🤣

I would take my crititical analysis abilities, and IQ, against anyone. What you say is simply not true. If I didn't like to consider all sides of a situation I wouldn't be here, I'd be floating around the sites you mentioned above. Reality is I research things A LOT. So no, sorry to disappoint you but some of us look at things very critically. We just don't come to the same conclusions as you and that upsets you for some reason.

🤣🤣🤣 I’m going to have to dare to differ. I’ve read enough of your post to know that your screen name is a walking contradiction. You’ve been called on it numerous times by other members but you carry on and thx for playing👍

Trump is a threat.

He is a threat to expose that there really isn’t a difference in the party’s.

Two sides same coin.

These people just take turns dividing us.

All in an effort con the American people.

So they can keep their jobs.