An easy question for the left

a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

They won't, they never do. Distractions and deflections galore

originally posted by: ScarletDarkness

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: quintessentone

Let's say opposition or any other word you prefer to left, can you answer the question coherently with that change?

I am very curious about an answer to the op question from anyone really.

I have found that 'democracy' is the 'Democrat party' when Democrats use it. It has nothing to do with actual democracy by their definition.

The Republicans are also opposed to many Christian extremist 'right'(?) policies, are they to be included in the term 'left'?

Why don't you define Christian extremist 'right'(?) policies.

probably because those on the right are smart enough to understand that part. Obviously, the other side isn't that gifted, based on the replies over, and over, and over, asking what that means.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

First define what you mean by 'left'?

every person who does not fit into his world view.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

TDS? More like "tedious".

I do know some liberal lefties that do watch too much tv. It is amazing to see the physical reaction they have when the word 'Trump' gets mentioned. Its like watching them put their finger in the power socket. Some are doing a bit better these days. With years on a strong diet of MSM narratives, it is hard on them to see what is really going on.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: network dude

None of these look like an "answer" to me....

First define what you mean by 'left'?

I want Dude to define it, it's his thread. Please offer a coherent reply is what Dude wants, follow the OPs lead.

I honestly want a definition of 'left' so I can understand the intent and context of the OPs post. Still waiting Dude.

Still waiting on Dude to define it, it's his thread not yours.

I am most definitely ignorant to what 'left' means within the intent and context of this thread. Dude? What is the 'left'?

I might have a reply to OPs question as soon as he defines 'left' for me. I need to have a meeting of the minds of intent and context before replying to a topic, unlike most of you here.

The bad look is from the OP refusing to define what he means by 'left'.

He claimed it was there. Perhaps the day drinking started a bit early, or maybe it's time to change the diaper. Either way, I doubt we will be seeing the answer from that one, let alone the answer he claimed was on page 1.

originally posted by: network dude
One thing seems to be consistent with regard to the message the left is offering. Donald J. Trump is a threat to democracy. That sounds like something that matters. Something big. Something important. So if this is really this important, I think it's imperative that those of us who don't get this, understand what you mean. Those of us on the right MUST grasp the "why" part of the threat to democracy.

I can't guarantee that everyone will be nice, but I can say that this question is sincere. If it's real, it this is a real thing, and Trump is honestly a threat to democracy, we all need to understand why so we don't have a bad time.

Please offer a real coherent explanation of what this means.

Well I'm only a left leaning moderate, not a lefty per se but sure I can summarize this up easily:

- Trump already refused to honor the free and fair election he lost. The peaceful transfer of power is a tenant of democracy. When someone who clearly lost, refuses to concede, it stains democracy. If he had concerns, which he did, the proper route was to go through the courts. They courts threw all 62 court cases out. He lost and refused to concede.
- He was involved in the setup and execuatio of a fake elector's plot, which again seeks to go around the democratic election process.
- He made a very threatening phone call to try and get the Georgia results overturned. Again, interfering in a democratic process.

If he would have just come out after his challenges got shut down, and conceded, my guess is the left would not be screaming this today.

In addition he has made comments in the past about admiration for leaders of Russia and NK being able to stay in power forever. I can find the exact quote if you want it, but that also scares people. Elections are held for a reason. The winner needs to take office, the loser needs to concede and not interfere in the peaceful transition of power.

Just my humble 2 cents.

a reply to: network dude

Just so worried about you coming back to talk to him he forgot why he was here, old age is a b!tc#

originally posted by: malte86

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

First define what you mean by 'left'?

every person who does not fit into his world view.

exactly. I even said that here. Glad at least one lefty can read.

So do you believe Trump is a threat to democracy, and if so, how?

a reply to: kwaka

Can you not see a distinction between "liberals" and "liberal lefties"?

There is one, you know?

Then, look at the reaction when some folk see the word "Biden" mentioned.

Therein lies your problem.

a reply to: network dude

Actual threats to democracy

Locking up protesters for a year or more without a trial

Pulling fire alarms

Wanting to abolish the filibuster. Yes, the same one that they used 300+ times the year prior.

Wanting to atack the Supreme Court

Working with big tech, media, and former intelligence officials to bury a story, thereby influencing an election

Changing election laws at the last minute without following proper channels

Censoring the free speech of dissidents

Trying to remove political opponents from ballots

Doxxing political opponents

That's just off the top of my head. Hey, these things are also signs of fascism! Weird!!! As for why/how Trump is a threat to democracy... in 8 years I've not heard a single actual reason. He just is lol.

a reply to: Boogerpicker

He made too many tweets that hurt feelz....

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: network dude
One thing seems to be consistent with regard to the message the left is offering. Donald J. Trump is a threat to democracy. That sounds like something that matters. Something big. Something important. So if this is really this important, I think it's imperative that those of us who don't get this, understand what you mean. Those of us on the right MUST grasp the "why" part of the threat to democracy.

I can't guarantee that everyone will be nice, but I can say that this question is sincere. If it's real, it this is a real thing, and Trump is honestly a threat to democracy, we all need to understand why so we don't have a bad time.

Please offer a real coherent explanation of what this means.

Well I'm only a left leaning moderate, not a lefty per se but sure I can summarize this up easily:

- Trump already refused to honor the free and fair election he lost. The peaceful transfer of power is a tenant of democracy. When someone who clearly lost, refuses to concede, it stains democracy. If he had concerns, which he did, the proper route was to go through the courts. They courts threw all 62 court cases out. He lost and refused to concede.
- He was involved in the setup and execuatio of a fake elector's plot, which again seeks to go around the democratic election process.
- He made a very threatening phone call to try and get the Georgia results overturned. Again, interfering in a democratic process.

If he would have just come out after his challenges got shut down, and conceded, my guess is the left would not be screaming this today.

Just my humble 2 cents.

thanks for answering the question. I don't agree with the points, but I don't have to.

I would ask you if you are serious in thinking that it Trump had admitted Joe Biden beat him fair and square, the left would not be this upset. That doesn't compute on my end.

Trump is not a threat to Democracy. He's a threat to Socialism. If the left were to just admit that they would make a lot more sense.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Can you not see a distinction between "liberals" and "liberal lefties"?

Politics does get political with plenty of things to disagree about. For a basic definition of the left / right divide it started with the differences between a communism or capitalism approach to governance. It quickly gets more complicated than that these days.

Here in Australia, it is the Liberal party that is more right wing than the Labor party.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: quintessenSHILL

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

First define what you mean by 'left'?

Long time lurker. Just joined real quick to say you're a shill retard. Please ban me it was worth it.

If I have to endure many more threads like this one, ban me too.

You don't have to endure any threads that upset you to the point you do everything in your power to keep them drailed, yet you do. Perhaps you might consider making your own threads in support of how well our current Democrat administration has worked?

Network Dude: The greatest threat to our government seems to be people too set in their biased beliefs to do any honest soul searching and examination of the facts. That, and always blaming the other party for the mess they have jointly created.

What America really needs is a non-career politician to clear out the DC swap and lead us out of tyranny.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: quintessentone

I suppose it would be those who think Biden is good and Trump is a threat to democracy. I don't know anyone who appears to be conservative and thinks Biden is doing well. So for the ease of the discussion, we can go with that.

I don't think Biden is bad per se, he just suffers from dementia and those around him allowing him to run again should all go straight to hell after death. The guy needs a comfortable chair, some pudding and a big screen TV to watch I Love Lucy reruns.

I don't particularly like Trump either. I don't think he's bad either, he's just basically a clown. But he can also be a VERY effective President at times while also keeping me entertained. He's a two-fer.

a reply to: nugget1

"The greatest threat to our government seems to be people too set in their biased beliefs to do any honest soul searching and examination of the facts. That, and always blaming the other party for the mess they have jointly created."

I don't suppose you see any irony in that?

As has been mentioned previously, the roadmap for Trump's next presidency is laid out in Project 2025. If brought to fruition, Project 2025 would see the powers of the Presidency dramatically increased, while removing those from the Executive Branch that might seek to hinder this consolidation of power and replacing them with Trump loyalists.

The plan is open in saying that not everything they're planning is constitutional but the courts will be so flooded with cases as to make that distinction meaningless.

Doesn't sound very democratic or in keeping with the vision of the Founding Fathers to me.