Another Mar-A-Lago raid in the works...the secret rooms......

a reply to: frogs453

And when did the government ask for the docs back?

Wrong question.

The question you should be asking is why wasn't the gov't concerned with classified documents in the hands of people that aren't supposed to have them.

Instead they are concerned about a former president having them when it till this day is not clear whos property they are and what disposition said documents are in.

a reply to: JinMI

Oh, we can agree that the whole process is a mess.

We do have to wait for the court case, however the PRA is pretty cut and dry concerning what is considered personal records and what is considered Presidential records. It is also pretty cut and dry that all Presidential records are to be maintained by NARA. So if any of the documents are not personal, which according to the evidence noted in the indictment, such as NATSEC and Human Intel, and the government requests it back, you commit a crime when you refuse to return them, conspire with others to not return them, lie about returning them, and obstruct returning them.

a reply to: frogs453

Maybe for anyone else. Different with a sitting president taking documents while in office that he had the power to declassify.

Vs? Biden literally stealing classified materials from a secure area where he had no control over the classification.

a reply to: JinMI

Did you miss the special master chapter of this case? There's only a small handful of documents in the government's possession that Trump still claims to be his and it doesn't look like he's being charged on any of those documents.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: network dude

We can certainly have a discussion about Biden and his docs when he's indicted because he refused to turn them over when requested and lied to the government in an attestation letter that they were all turned over. Also when when we find out he told his attorneys to remove the "bad ones" so the government doesn't get them.

Though at that point, I will be linking to the filings and discussing what was noted in them, just like I do now.

so the theft is not an issue, as long as you give the stuff you stole back when you get caught. Is that a liberal thing or an across the board kind of thing? Bank robbers really want to know.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: crayzeed
Oooo, a secret room. I'll let you all into a secret, believe it or not. People like Trump (very very rich people) have what they call panic rooms to flee to in case of "house invasion". They are hidden for a purpose and they aint on any plans. Or do you all think panic rooms are only in movies? And where is the most logical place for a panic room. Being as most criminals work at night the place to put one is, whoops, where the FBI said there's one, OFF THE BEDROOM.

Do you generally put a heavy dresser and large TV screen in front of the door to a panic room?

Just asking.

Well Yeah Silly , that's If you do not want Someone to Find it Dear ............)

NO!

I don't think so.

There are many ways to camouflage a secret door to a panic room.

Anyone with a brain would not put heavy difficult to move stuff in front of it.

so is Trump a criminal mastermind, or an orange doofus? You folks sure aren't very good as consistency. (other than your track record for being wrong)

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: JinMI

Keep up, the charges are all around his refusal to turn over the government property. (willfully retaining national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act, making false statements, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy)

Guess what? If he returned all the docs including the classified stuff when NARA requested them, or heck, even when he was served a subpoena, he would be sitting pretty. But nope he felt he was above those laws.

That is the difference. Noticed you left out Pence who also had docs, but willingly returned them.

so then he would only have about 80 indictments? You don't think your posts through very well at all.

a reply to: matafuchs

Democrats under o'buma and o'biden, it's not just the individual, it is the WHOLE political party. Do not fail in making it clear, who is pulling sleepy Joe's strings.

He has never made independent decisions, he's a puppet.

Corrupt career parasite politicians belong in Gitmo.

a reply to: network dude

As I've said time and time again, the important factor is intent. You can't say you unintentionally robbed a bank. You can say you unintentionally removed documents from your office, especially when you're not the one who packed your office.

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a reply to: network dude

As I've said time and time again, the important factor is intent. You can't say you unintentionally robbed a bank. You can say you unintentionally removed documents from your office, especially when you're not the one who packed your office.

and you have failed in epic proportions to explain how you would "accidentally" remove classified documents from a SCIF. Only answer is, he intended to. Trump never denied having the docs. Never hid them, just refused to give them back. Courts will decide that part. But the theft thing is an issue to all those who have or have had a clearance.

originally posted by: tjack
Re-runs? Already!? Not very creative if you ask me.

The FBI is negotiating with Putin to say President Trump transferred missile tech for Russia to use.

a reply to: network dude

Right. The declassification order is known by everyone but the FBI. Even the liberal MSM... Which is why they are not slobbering over this case.

a reply to: network dude

Do you think documents just materialize in the SCIF? The person reviewing the documents brings them in and then leaves with them when they're done.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

Do you think documents just materialize in the SCIF? The person reviewing the documents brings them in and then leaves with them when they're done.

Still doesn’t explain how Biden stole the classified material in is possession before he was president.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

Do you think documents just materialize in the SCIF? The person reviewing the documents brings them in and then leaves with them when they're done.

tell me you don't know anything about classified documents without telling me you don't know anything about classified documents.

The person who has control of the documents is responsible for them, and must return them after they have been viewed. If the process was to go into a secret room, look at them, then stuff them into your pants and throw them in a pile next to your corvette, you would have a point, it isn't, and you don't.

a reply to: Lazy88

You are aware that Senators have access to classified material as well, right?

a reply to: network dude

They were returned. They were being stored in his offices (Senate & VP). When he left those roles those offices were packed up by staff. They clearly didn't do a thorough job reviewing what they were packing.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Lazy88

You are aware that Senators have access to classified material as well, right?

you are aware that they don't get to take them home once they look at them, right?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

They were returned. They were being stored in his offices (Senate & VP). When he left those roles those offices were packed up by staff. They clearly didn't do a thorough job reviewing what they were packing.

that sounds much like excuses. they moved them to closets in the Penn Biden center, then moved them a few times, and gave Joetatoes China butties access. That sounds totally above board. And it's possible you actually believe the lies you tell.

a reply to: network dude

If you can show anything was done intentionally then you have a case. It sounds like Hur has not been able to make that connection. As a result, the worst you can say is that Biden's actions were negligent but not criminal.