Words are worth 13x more than sexual abuse

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: JinMI

So your opinion trumps (no pun intended) the opinion or verdict of the jury, who actually sat thru the trial?

Obviously.

What's your opinion????

a reply to: JinMI

I'm not interested in any opinions other than what the jury found.

Like I said, that's what counts, not mine or yours, even though you seem to put more store in the Court of Public Opinion than due process.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
All these clucking hens and not one with the self awareness to posit their own opinion.

I often get criticized, and occasionally rightfully so, that I'm not following Trumps defense strategy or that if my arguments are so good then why isn't Trumps team using them.


That is because I venture into the realm of thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly.


Don't you wish you could say the same......?

I agree with another poster here, nobody here knows what happened between Carroll and Trump that day, but to me his behaviour is suspect with her because he doth protested too much at her accusations. He went way overboard and now he is now sunk. Also his remarks about grabbing pu**y.

"The hens have come home to roost."

"I can't prove he's guilty but believe he is anyway."

...ok guy.

The judge and jury believed in testimony and common sense to come to their conclusions.

What convinced you he was guilty?

Any source or quote will do.

The fact that Carroll told two friends immediately after it happened and Trump's questionable behaviour and things he said pertaining to women. Also his ex-wife accused him of raping her, then she was paid off and went quiet.

Have a star!

You're the first one to show the ability to articulate your very own opinion. Bravo.


Personally, I didn't find her testimony compelling as she waffled back and forth between being the one to tell Carroll that she needed to go to the police while also testifying that she needed to not say or do anything as a promise. A woman who had just returned from MAL that February from a journalist project.

It was a different time back then and going to the police did nothing because it was all the woman's fault because...short skirts. Enter Metoo movement and we have a paradigm change, at least with Carroll it was.

a reply to: JinMI

I don't put my opinion higher than the jury's.

That's the difference between us.

a reply to: quintessentone

Im a woman that knows lots of women. Unfortunately, I know many who've been raped. I don't know a single raped woman who gets a thrill from rape fantasies.

I'd say that's false!! Raped women don't typically wish for more rape.


I'm calling bull#, based on her "behavior". (Using the TDS lens)

This wasn't meant as a direct response to Quin, but to those people using Trump's "behavior " as proof of his guilt.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: JinMI

I'm not interested in any opinions other than what the jury found.

Like I said, that's what counts, not mine or yours, even though you seem to put more store in the Court of Public Opinion than due process.

Then you've nothing to add to this thread except your incessant NPC droning.

Carry on.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: quintessentone

Im a woman that knows lots of women. Unfortunately, I know many who've been raped. I don't know a single raped woman who gets a thrill from rape fantasies.

I'd say that's false!! Raped women don't typically wish for more rape.


I'm calling bull#, based on her "behavior". (Using the TDS lens)

Trauma is as trauma does.

a reply to: quintessentone

You are correct. Over here rape and sexual assault victims were subject to the most horrendous cross examination about the minutiae of their sexual history and behavior ie "she was asking for it".

Thankfully, those days are gone.

Although, some seem to want them back?

Even today, genuine rape victims are reluctant to come forward due to the shamefully low conviction record.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
All these clucking hens and not one with the self awareness to posit their own opinion.

I often get criticized, and occasionally rightfully so, that I'm not following Trumps defense strategy or that if my arguments are so good then why isn't Trumps team using them.


That is because I venture into the realm of thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly.


Don't you wish you could say the same......?

I agree with another poster here, nobody here knows what happened between Carroll and Trump that day, but to me his behaviour is suspect with her because he doth protested too much at her accusations. He went way overboard and now he is now sunk. Also his remarks about grabbing pu**y.

"The hens have come home to roost."

"I can't prove he's guilty but believe he is anyway."

...ok guy.

The judge and jury believed in testimony and common sense to come to their conclusions.

What convinced you he was guilty?

Any source or quote will do.

The fact that Carroll told two friends immediately after it happened and Trump's questionable behaviour and things he said pertaining to women. Also his ex-wife accused him of raping her, then she was paid off and went quiet.

Have a star!

You're the first one to show the ability to articulate your very own opinion. Bravo.


Personally, I didn't find her testimony compelling as she waffled back and forth between being the one to tell Carroll that she needed to go to the police while also testifying that she needed to not say or do anything as a promise. A woman who had just returned from MAL that February from a journalist project.

It was a different time back then and going to the police did nothing because it was all the woman's fault because...short skirts. Enter Metoo movement and we have a paradigm change, at least with Carroll it was.

That is likely very close to the truth. Can't really deny it.

Yet, the first jury found that rape did not happen. Which was the initial article/story/claim/allegation.

Whereby the defamation stems.


Outside of testimony, we've no evidence. There does exist exculpatory evidence that was not allowed in however like the dress, DNA, character witnesses or any store employees who were actually there.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: JinMI

I don't put my opinion higher than the jury's.

That's the difference between us.

Even if I claimed I did, it doesn't change anything.

We are on a discussion forum. All I am asking for is your opinion.

16 pages and you couldn't bring one.

Don't you find it odd that you've not the ability to do that?

a reply to: JinMI

Where's you have nothing to add other than that sort of thing?

What is "NPC"?

So your or my opinion counts for more than a jury?

Tell you what, why don't we do away with juries and let you decide?

a reply to: JinMI

I wonder if she likes to dress up in that fake dress, during her fantasy sexcapades?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So, you're one of the 6 people that believe O.J. is innocent?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
All these clucking hens and not one with the self awareness to posit their own opinion.

I often get criticized, and occasionally rightfully so, that I'm not following Trumps defense strategy or that if my arguments are so good then why isn't Trumps team using them.


That is because I venture into the realm of thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly.


Don't you wish you could say the same......?

I agree with another poster here, nobody here knows what happened between Carroll and Trump that day, but to me his behaviour is suspect with her because he doth protested too much at her accusations. He went way overboard and now he is now sunk. Also his remarks about grabbing pu**y.

"The hens have come home to roost."

"I can't prove he's guilty but believe he is anyway."

...ok guy.

The judge and jury believed in testimony and common sense to come to their conclusions.

What convinced you he was guilty?

Any source or quote will do.

The fact that Carroll told two friends immediately after it happened and Trump's questionable behaviour and things he said pertaining to women. Also his ex-wife accused him of raping her, then she was paid off and went quiet.

Have a star!

You're the first one to show the ability to articulate your very own opinion. Bravo.


Personally, I didn't find her testimony compelling as she waffled back and forth between being the one to tell Carroll that she needed to go to the police while also testifying that she needed to not say or do anything as a promise. A woman who had just returned from MAL that February from a journalist project.

It was a different time back then and going to the police did nothing because it was all the woman's fault because...short skirts. Enter Metoo movement and we have a paradigm change, at least with Carroll it was.

That is likely very close to the truth. Can't really deny it.

Yet, the first jury found that rape did not happen. Which was the initial article/story/claim/allegation.

Whereby the defamation stems.


Outside of testimony, we've no evidence. There does exist exculpatory evidence that was not allowed in however like the dress, DNA, character witnesses or any store employees who were actually there.

It would be helpful if we all could read the court transcripts because my facts are completely opposite to your facts.

The judge found rape did happen, in the context of how rape is defined within the law and this includes anything used for penetration without consent. Why the jury didn't consider fingers within that legal rape context as rape rather as sexual assault? well we need to read the transcripts.

Instead of 'He said, she said' we have 'They said, he said', which holds more weight.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: JinMI

I wonder if she likes to dress up in that fake dress, during her fantasy sexcapades?

Wonder no more Grapes!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

You are correct. Over here rape and sexual assault victims were subject to the most horrendous cross examination about the minutiae of their sexual history and behavior ie "she was asking for it".

Thankfully, those days are gone.

Although, some seem to want them back?

Even today, genuine rape victims are reluctant to come forward due to the shamefully low conviction record.

Yes, 'she was asking for it' because she didn't say 'no' or 'fight me off' meanwhile she was in shock and froze.

a reply to: JinMI

She was good looking when she was young and as I stated earlier...short skirt.

a reply to: SourGrapes

"So , you're one of the 6 people that believe O.J. is innocent"?

Nope. Next?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So, that jury got it wrong, but this jury didn't?

Hypocrite much?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
All these clucking hens and not one with the self awareness to posit their own opinion.

I often get criticized, and occasionally rightfully so, that I'm not following Trumps defense strategy or that if my arguments are so good then why isn't Trumps team using them.


That is because I venture into the realm of thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly.


Don't you wish you could say the same......?

I agree with another poster here, nobody here knows what happened between Carroll and Trump that day, but to me his behaviour is suspect with her because he doth protested too much at her accusations. He went way overboard and now he is now sunk. Also his remarks about grabbing pu**y.

"The hens have come home to roost."

"I can't prove he's guilty but believe he is anyway."

...ok guy.

The judge and jury believed in testimony and common sense to come to their conclusions.

What convinced you he was guilty?

Any source or quote will do.

The fact that Carroll told two friends immediately after it happened and Trump's questionable behaviour and things he said pertaining to women. Also his ex-wife accused him of raping her, then she was paid off and went quiet.

Have a star!

You're the first one to show the ability to articulate your very own opinion. Bravo.


Personally, I didn't find her testimony compelling as she waffled back and forth between being the one to tell Carroll that she needed to go to the police while also testifying that she needed to not say or do anything as a promise. A woman who had just returned from MAL that February from a journalist project.

It was a different time back then and going to the police did nothing because it was all the woman's fault because...short skirts. Enter Metoo movement and we have a paradigm change, at least with Carroll it was.

That is likely very close to the truth. Can't really deny it.

Yet, the first jury found that rape did not happen. Which was the initial article/story/claim/allegation.

Whereby the defamation stems.


Outside of testimony, we've no evidence. There does exist exculpatory evidence that was not allowed in however like the dress, DNA, character witnesses or any store employees who were actually there.

It would be helpful if we all could read the court transcripts because my facts are completely opposite to your facts.

The judge found rape did happen, in the context of how rape is defined within the law and this includes anything used for penetration without consent. Why the jury didn't consider fingers within that legal rape context as rape rather as sexual assault? well we need to read the transcripts.

Instead of 'He said, she said' we have 'They said, he said', which holds more weight.

You know what holds even more weight?

Physical evidence and 1st person testimony. One was denied by the judge, the other was not found...at all.


Do you find this interesting or not a big deal?