Words are worth 13x more than sexual abuse

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: JinMI

She was good looking when she was young and as I stated earlier...short skirt.

Grapes asked if perhaps Carroll fantasized and flouted the dress. To which the image is in reply to.


Oddly enough, that dress wasn't yet made in 1996.....

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
All these clucking hens and not one with the self awareness to posit their own opinion.

I often get criticized, and occasionally rightfully so, that I'm not following Trumps defense strategy or that if my arguments are so good then why isn't Trumps team using them.


That is because I venture into the realm of thinking for myself, rightly or wrongly.


Don't you wish you could say the same......?

I agree with another poster here, nobody here knows what happened between Carroll and Trump that day, but to me his behaviour is suspect with her because he doth protested too much at her accusations. He went way overboard and now he is now sunk. Also his remarks about grabbing pu**y.

"The hens have come home to roost."

"I can't prove he's guilty but believe he is anyway."

...ok guy.

The judge and jury believed in testimony and common sense to come to their conclusions.

What convinced you he was guilty?

Any source or quote will do.

The fact that Carroll told two friends immediately after it happened and Trump's questionable behaviour and things he said pertaining to women. Also his ex-wife accused him of raping her, then she was paid off and went quiet.

Have a star!

You're the first one to show the ability to articulate your very own opinion. Bravo.


Personally, I didn't find her testimony compelling as she waffled back and forth between being the one to tell Carroll that she needed to go to the police while also testifying that she needed to not say or do anything as a promise. A woman who had just returned from MAL that February from a journalist project.

It was a different time back then and going to the police did nothing because it was all the woman's fault because...short skirts. Enter Metoo movement and we have a paradigm change, at least with Carroll it was.

That is likely very close to the truth. Can't really deny it.

Yet, the first jury found that rape did not happen. Which was the initial article/story/claim/allegation.

Whereby the defamation stems.


Outside of testimony, we've no evidence. There does exist exculpatory evidence that was not allowed in however like the dress, DNA, character witnesses or any store employees who were actually there.

It would be helpful if we all could read the court transcripts because my facts are completely opposite to your facts.

The judge found rape did happen, in the context of how rape is defined within the law and this includes anything used for penetration without consent. Why the jury didn't consider fingers within that legal rape context as rape rather as sexual assault? well we need to read the transcripts.

Instead of 'He said, she said' we have 'They said, he said', which holds more weight.

You know what holds even more weight?

Physical evidence and 1st person testimony. One was denied by the judge, the other was not found...at all.


Do you find this interesting or not a big deal?

Obviously expert witness testimony and the defendant's character were enough.

a reply to: quintessentone

Speaking of "character", when do the trials against the other men she accused of rape begin?

a reply to: quintessentone

80 some million enough.


You're deferring though, I asked you the question.....

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: JinMI

She was good looking when she was young and as I stated earlier...short skirt.

Grapes asked if perhaps Carroll fantasized and flouted the dress. To which the image is in reply to.


Oddly enough, that dress wasn't yet made in 1996.....

Oddly enough in 1996 there were...short skirts.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: quintessentone

Speaking of "character", when do the trials against the other men she accused of rape begin?

Do you know how to use google?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: JinMI

She was good looking when she was young and as I stated earlier...short skirt.

Grapes asked if perhaps Carroll fantasized and flouted the dress. To which the image is in reply to.


Oddly enough, that dress wasn't yet made in 1996.....

Oddly enough in 1996 there were...short skirts.

So no big deal in your mind?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: IgorMartinez
a reply to: JinMI

Cuz they think he did it and they wanna take him for all he’s worth.

Cuz... they think he did it? That's it? That is the basis for your approval for stealing 80+ million bucks from the man?

And that is ok with you?

Get help... please.

How many rapes are not “He said —‘She said”?

But — this was not about that. This was about defamation.

Trump just had to run his mouth. 100% his doing.

100% his fault. All he had to do was shut his mouth

The jury — with evidence presented — made their decision.

The defamation can't exist if there wasn't rape.

You ever been raped? I have.

40 years later still processing it.

It is not "black and white".

a reply to: quintessentone

So, there are other cases?

a reply to: JinMI

"We are on a discussion forum. All I am asking for is your opinion.

16 pages and you couldn't bring one.

Don't you find it odd that you've not the ability to do that?"

So, I was not present in Court throughout, the jury was, I have not seen any transcript.

Neither were/have you.

Yet you remain highly opinionated.

I do not, for the above reasons.

So why keep asking me for my opinion when, as I had hoped to have made you understand, using small words and plain English, that my opinion matters not.

The jury's, does.

Are we clear or do I have to continue to have to answer questions that I have already answered?

Yes, we are in a discussion forum.

Not in a needlessly and pointlessly argumentative one.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

80 some million enough.


You're deferring though, I asked you the question.....

So is it the amount of money that's sticking to your craw?

a reply to: Annee

Do you also fantasize about it?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: IgorMartinez
a reply to: JinMI

Cuz they think he did it and they wanna take him for all he’s worth.

Cuz... they think he did it? That's it? That is the basis for your approval for stealing 80+ million bucks from the man?

And that is ok with you?

Get help... please.

How many rapes are not “He said —‘She said”?

But — this was not about that. This was about defamation.

Trump just had to run his mouth. 100% his doing.

100% his fault. All he had to do was shut his mouth

The jury — with evidence presented — made their decision.

The defamation can't exist if there wasn't rape.

You ever been raped? I have.

40 years later still processing it.

It is not "black and white".

Defamation is though.

Did you file a report?

Charge them?

Follow their career with great interest?

Post those thoughts to social media?

Accuse other men of the same?

Write a book about it?

Deviate testimony from the book and social media quotes?

...Did Trump rape you Annee?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Usually presenting a court transcript takes this type of circular discussion down quickly.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

80 some million enough.


You're deferring though, I asked you the question.....

So is it the amount of money that's sticking to your craw?

Title. Of. The. Thread.....

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: Annee

Do you also fantasize about it?

You need to educate yourself about how rape survivors cope with trauma.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

So why keep asking me for my opinion when, as I had hoped to have made you understand, using small words and plain English, that my opinion matters not.

It matters so little that you've spent pages trying to convince me that it actually does..... Just not an opinion in this case amazingly.


I get it, you don't like the orange man so anything bad that happens to orange man is good! Even if it's at the cost of the judiciary....

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

80 some million enough.


You're deferring though, I asked you the question.....

So is it the amount of money that's sticking to your craw?

Title. Of. The. Thread.....

Words are worth more etc. Yes, and Carroll's witnesses' words were gold.

a reply to: quintessentone

Apparently I do. I don't know a single rape survivor that openly talks about how great rape is.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

80 some million enough.


You're deferring though, I asked you the question.....

So is it the amount of money that's sticking to your craw?

Title. Of. The. Thread.....

Words are worth more etc. Yes, and Carroll's witnesses' words were gold.

Ok, you had an opinion, which was great btw. I'm glad there are still some folks who can think for themselves.

Yet you're faltering with these "google it" and "educate yourself" defenses. Finally deferring to the jury isn't part of the conversation.


Do you think this monetary judgement is justice done?

Do you think the bar was met and this should be the standard going forward?