If you support the call for Israel to offer ceasefire, then you support Hamas.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I believe Israel is justified in leveling Gaza, in retaliation to Hamas attacking Israel.

I've already told you that.

Do you believe that justification because you also believe that the rocket sites were located near every house, apartment high-rise, school, hospital, and office in the photographs?

Or do you believe something else also justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Anything else will do, rather than indiscriminately killing civilians.

Peace can still be achieved, even now, but there will be a long period of setbacks due to Israeli foreign policy.

I think you're negating history here, just a bit. The Israeli occupation officially ended in Gaza c. 2005. The Fatah took over, and had a long term plan for stability in the region. Hamas then assassinated all major leading elements of Fatah, and established an obvious and unfortunate coup. Israel had no choice but to tighten the grip when an organization like that takes over.

There are things on THAT side of the fence that are being ignored at a worrying rate.

No, I'm not ignoring the historical record. Everything new I learn from the historical record leads me to horror at the complete disregard for human life that is practiced by fellow human Earthlings.

I'm just taking MORE into account what is happening at the present moment, which is not already written, not etched into stone so to speak, and where people can actually make new decisions in order to turn the ship from a course that leads to utter destruction.

Well, with all due respect, when you say peace is still on the table but will be a long time coming due to Israeli foreign policy, I have to disagree. Palestine needs to clean its house. No concessions will or should be made with Hamas, an organization who has listed the destruction of Israel and Jews in its operational parameters plain as day. You can't expect a country like Israel to bend a knee and stop the spanking with unreasonable people like that.

I very much appreciate your respectful and thoughtful replies to me, and also of making the distinction between the Palestinian civilians and HAMAS.

I agree that Palestine needs to clean house. Having a radical religious group imposing terrorism on the Palestinians makes it very difficult to speak out against, and depose such an organization from the inside.

I don't know how the political dealings of peace should proceed as it requires an expertise beyond what any of us ATS members are capable. Otherwise, we would have our very own resident diplomats of an official capacity.

The remnants of Fatah are probably shaking their head and face palming at this hour. Hamas set them back years. Possibly even decades.

I agree with this 100%

Moral of the story? It takes two to tango. Whether it be war or peace.

I agree with this, but only if the overwhelmingly strong military shows the same discernment that you do, between civilians and combatants, and that intention is just not present in a continuous bombardment lasting week after week.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I believe Israel is justified in leveling Gaza, in retaliation to Hamas attacking Israel.

I've already told you that.

Do you believe that justification because you also believe that the rocket sites were located near every house, apartment high-rise, school, hospital, and office in the photographs?

Or do you believe something else also justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

What part of "leveling Gaza" don't you understand? The "level" or the "Gaza"?

It sucks, but it's war. It's a war the Palestines started.

Why should Israel care about Palestinian babies when Palestine doesn't care about their own babies?

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Anything else will do, rather than indiscriminately killing civilians.

Peace can still be achieved, even now, but there will be a long period of setbacks due to Israeli foreign policy.

I think you're negating history here, just a bit. The Israeli occupation officially ended in Gaza c. 2005. The Fatah took over, and had a long term plan for stability in the region. Hamas then assassinated all major leading elements of Fatah, and established an obvious and unfortunate coup. Israel had no choice but to tighten the grip when an organization like that takes over.

There are things on THAT side of the fence that are being ignored at a worrying rate.

No, I'm not ignoring the historical record. Everything new I learn from the historical record leads me to horror at the complete disregard for human life that is practiced by fellow human Earthlings.

I'm just taking MORE into account what is happening at the present moment, which is not already written, not etched into stone so to speak, and where people can actually make new decisions in order to turn the ship from a course that leads to utter destruction.

Well, with all due respect, when you say peace is still on the table but will be a long time coming due to Israeli foreign policy, I have to disagree. Palestine needs to clean its house. No concessions will or should be made with Hamas, an organization who has listed the destruction of Israel and Jews in its operational parameters plain as day. You can't expect a country like Israel to bend a knee and stop the spanking with unreasonable people like that.

I very much appreciate your respectful and thoughtful replies to me, and also of making the distinction between the Palestinian civilians and HAMAS.

I agree that Palestine needs to clean house. Having a radical religious group imposing terrorism on the Palestinians makes it very difficult to speak out against, and depose such an organization from the inside.

I don't know how the political dealings of peace should proceed as it requires an expertise beyond what any of us ATS members are capable. Otherwise, we would have our very own resident diplomats of an official capacity.

The remnants of Fatah are probably shaking their head and face palming at this hour. Hamas set them back years. Possibly even decades.

I agree with this 100%

Moral of the story? It takes two to tango. Whether it be war or peace.

I agree with this, but only if the overwhelmingly strong military shows the same discernment that you do, between civilians and combatants, and that intention is just not present in a continuous bombardment lasting week after week.

Unfortunately, a cease fire doesn't involve Israel sitting down with the civilians of Gaza. It involves sitting across the table from Hamas. Will I think they will do that? No. Not anymore. I feel their patience has peaked, and the Israeli response is being monitored by allies and enemies alike.

Like I said in the previous posts here in this thread, I feel a pandoras box of sorts has been opened and cannot be closed.

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I believe Israel is justified in leveling Gaza, in retaliation to Hamas attacking Israel.

I've already told you that.

Do you believe that justification because you also believe that the rocket sites were located near every house, apartment high-rise, school, hospital, and office in the photographs?

Or do you believe something else also justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

What part of "leveling Gaza" don't you understand? The "level" or the "Gaza"?

Oh, trust me, I understand that statement perfectly well enough.

I do not think you understood my question about rocket sites and terrorists hiding behind every single building, noncombatant man, noncombatant woman, and noncombatant child in Gaza.

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Anything else will do, rather than indiscriminately killing civilians.

Peace can still be achieved, even now, but there will be a long period of setbacks due to Israeli foreign policy.

I think you're negating history here, just a bit. The Israeli occupation officially ended in Gaza c. 2005. The Fatah took over, and had a long term plan for stability in the region. Hamas then assassinated all major leading elements of Fatah, and established an obvious and unfortunate coup. Israel had no choice but to tighten the grip when an organization like that takes over.

There are things on THAT side of the fence that are being ignored at a worrying rate.

No, I'm not ignoring the historical record. Everything new I learn from the historical record leads me to horror at the complete disregard for human life that is practiced by fellow human Earthlings.

I'm just taking MORE into account what is happening at the present moment, which is not already written, not etched into stone so to speak, and where people can actually make new decisions in order to turn the ship from a course that leads to utter destruction.

Well, with all due respect, when you say peace is still on the table but will be a long time coming due to Israeli foreign policy, I have to disagree. Palestine needs to clean its house. No concessions will or should be made with Hamas, an organization who has listed the destruction of Israel and Jews in its operational parameters plain as day. You can't expect a country like Israel to bend a knee and stop the spanking with unreasonable people like that.

I very much appreciate your respectful and thoughtful replies to me, and also of making the distinction between the Palestinian civilians and HAMAS.

I agree that Palestine needs to clean house. Having a radical religious group imposing terrorism on the Palestinians makes it very difficult to speak out against, and depose such an organization from the inside.

I don't know how the political dealings of peace should proceed as it requires an expertise beyond what any of us ATS members are capable. Otherwise, we would have our very own resident diplomats of an official capacity.

The remnants of Fatah are probably shaking their head and face palming at this hour. Hamas set them back years. Possibly even decades.

I agree with this 100%

Moral of the story? It takes two to tango. Whether it be war or peace.

I agree with this, but only if the overwhelmingly strong military shows the same discernment that you do, between civilians and combatants, and that intention is just not present in a continuous bombardment lasting week after week.

Unfortunately, a cease fire doesn't involve Israel sitting down with the civilians of Gaza. It involves sitting across the table from Hamas. Will I think they will do that? No. Not anymore. I feel their patience has peaked, and the Israeli response is being monitored by allies and enemies alike.

Like I said in the previous posts here in this thread, I feel a pandoras box of sorts has been opened and cannot be closed.

I agree with your post 100%, except I do still hold a shred of hope that the international community will impose enough pressure on Israel to be willing to sit and talk.

Edit2Add:™

I very much appreciate that you are presenting an example of SOUND LOGIC, although, unfortunately, this thread is about the widespread use of broken logic.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not until you can tell me the difference.

American = Democrat. One is a nation of people, one is a political party.

This follows the same false equivalence fallacy as described in the topic post.

They would have us ignore the variations in Congress, as well as those of the constituents.

If the U.S. Administration (Republican or Democrat) attacks another country, I'd expect that country to attack the U.S., in return. They wouldn't pick out Biden, Harris, or any other specific persons. They'd attack the U.S.

Now, if our military retreats into schools and hospitals, THAT would be a U.S. war crime, not the country that's retaliating.

Even if, children were killed in the attack. The country that attacked wouldn't be at fault, the United States would be committing a war crime that killed its own children, if it hid military under/in schools or hospitals.

The same for the Gazans/Palestinians. They are getting their own people killed, because of who they choose to hide behind.

Should I, then, expect that all these residential buildings were housing terrorists just because you and the others who agree that the tactics in response to Oct. 7th by the IDF is justified, because Israel says so?

:

Just a friendly reminder.

We're looking for logical arguments that might explain how everything about a ceasefire only helps everything about HAMAS, i.e. Individuals Supporting a Ceasefire = Individuals Supporting HAMAS ---> regardless of other opinions.

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I believe Israel is justified in leveling Gaza, in retaliation to Hamas attacking Israel.

I've already told you that.

Do you believe that justification because you also believe that the rocket sites were located near every house, apartment high-rise, school, hospital, and office in the photographs?

Or do you believe something else also justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

Why should Israel care about Palestinian babies when Palestine doesn't care about their own babies?

Because....

They're babies....?

I pose the question again:

Do you believe something else, other than rocket sites near every building, justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

If not? that's fine.

If so, would you be willing to explain to us that reason, so that it may be held up to the same same lens of logical scrutiny in which this thread is founded?

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
Do you believe something else, other than rocket sites near every building, justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

Care to prove/source that indiscriminate bombing is taking place?
All I see is well orchestrated reponses to a threat.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I believe Israel is justified in leveling Gaza, in retaliation to Hamas attacking Israel.

I've already told you that.

Do you believe that justification because you also believe that the rocket sites were located near every house, apartment high-rise, school, hospital, and office in the photographs?

Or do you believe something else also justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

Why should Israel care about Palestinian babies when Palestine doesn't care about their own babies?

Because....

They're babies....?

I pose the question again:

Do you believe something else, other than rocket sites near every building, justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

If not? that's fine.

If so, would you be willing to explain to us that reason, so that it may be held up to the same same lens of logical scrutiny in which this thread is founded?

While large areas have been levelled it's not been what I'd call indiscriminate bombardment.

There's a lot of interviews/reports with refugees in Gaza who recieved phonecalls from Israeli intelligence giving them two hour warnings to get civilians to evacuate buildings prior to strikes and closely liasing with the civillian they phoned to facilitate and check civillians had got to safety prior to strikes.

BBC had one of the more detailed accounts here: 'I’m calling from Israeli intelligence. We have the order to bomb. You have two hours'

In previous conflicts Israel has failed to give warnings or only issuded them in very rare occurences while in this one I've yet to see a report of them failing to issue a two hour plus warning.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

A ceasefire would require negotiations.
Who is Israel supposed to negotiate with?
Hamas?
Hamas are a terrorist organisation who point blank refuse to negotiate with Israel as that would by extension go some way in recognising the legitimacy of the Israeli state.

We are told Hamas is not representative of the Palestinian people.
So who is representative of them?

When Hamas took the hostages they kidnapped during the October 7th terrorist attacks back to Gaza they were greeted by enormous crowds cheering the returning Hamas terrorists.
They shamelessly showed their support for Hamas in large numbers.
They tormented the paraded hostages and revelled in the attacks and killings.

Seemed to me that a very large percentage of Gazans supported Hamas that day.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I believe Israel is justified in leveling Gaza, in retaliation to Hamas attacking Israel.

I've already told you that.

Do you believe that justification because you also believe that the rocket sites were located near every house, apartment high-rise, school, hospital, and office in the photographs?

Or do you believe something else also justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

Why should Israel care about Palestinian babies when Palestine doesn't care about their own babies?

Because....

They're babies....?

I pose the question again:

Do you believe something else, other than rocket sites near every building, justifies the continuous indiscriminate bombardment?

If not? that's fine.

If so, would you be willing to explain to us that reason, so that it may be held up to the same same lens of logical scrutiny in which this thread is founded?

While large areas have been levelled it's not been what I'd call indiscriminate bombardment.

The only way leveling entire area codes of a city with precision guided bombs isn't indiscriminate bombardment is if there were confirmed(legitimate) HAMAS targets near every single building in those area codes.

Is this the case? Were there legitimate targets near every apartment building?

There's a lot of interviews/reports with refugees in Gaza who recieved phonecalls from Israeli intelligence giving them two hour warnings to get civilians to evacuate buildings prior to strikes and closely liasing with the civillian they phoned to facilitate and check civillians had got to safety prior to strikes.

BBC had one of the more detailed accounts here: 'I’m calling from Israeli intelligence. We have the order to bomb. You have two hours'

Did that two hours notice really give the innocent civilians a chance to flee the target zones while HAMAS prevented many of them, who are even able, from doing so?

It might sound like all innocent people the IDF accidently kills the weeks and months and (nightmare scenario)years following Oct 7th attacks are the sole responsibility of HAMAS, but the Israeli government decides on the method and policy of the reprisal, not HAMAS.

In previous conflicts Israel has failed to give warnings or only issuded them in very rare occurences while in this one I've yet to see a report of them failing to issue a two hour plus warning.

IDF issued a 2 hour warning before every bombardment? I doubt it. I also doubt there were enough phone calls to warn everyone, or even enough phones where it is now rubble.

There's no point in issuing phone call warnings, anymore. The Palestinian civilians in Gaza and West Bank get the message loud and clear. They are 100% expendable in the war on terror.

Cleaning up this mess and following a path to peace is going to require generations of sacrifice from the Jewish communities as well as the Islamic communities of the entire world.

This isn't an isolated incident. The whole world is effected by violence of any sort anywhere in the world.

People either care for the innocent people, or they do not care.

I care, hence, the call to ceasefire.

Am I a terrorist supporter because I call for a ceasefire?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

A ceasefire would require negotiations.
Who is Israel supposed to negotiate with?
Hamas?
Hamas are a terrorist organisation who point blank refuse to negotiate with Israel as that would by extension go some way in recognising the legitimacy of the Israeli state.

I don't know the answer to that as I do not currently hold an international diplomatic position, in any official capacity, at least, and neither does anyone on ATS for that matter, I believe it's safe to assume.

We are told Hamas is not representative of the Palestinian people.
So who is representative of them?

I would pick from any Palestinian who is not holding a gun to the rest of the Palestinians.

When Hamas took the hostages they kidnapped during the October 7th terrorist attacks back to Gaza they were greeted by enormous crowds cheering the returning Hamas terrorists.
They shamelessly showed their support for Hamas in large numbers.
They tormented the paraded hostages and revelled in the attacks and killings.

Seemed to me that a very large percentage of Gazans supported Hamas that day.

It seemed to you that way, but did you count the number of people in the videos of celebrations? Was that particular congregation of Palestinians shown in the videos a proportional representation of the entire city?

Was it really a large percentage? Were they holding guns?




If Israel is found, hypothetically in the future, to have committed act of atrocities on innocent civilians in the same manner or beyond what HAMAS inflicted on innocent civilians, would that make you as just culpable as Israel for the same hypothetical atrocities that Israel committed, just for vocally supporting the IDF response?


The above obvious question is only following the broken logic presented in the thread title.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Here is a report from survivors of the massacres in Israel on Oct. 7.

freebeacon.com...

They describe Palestinian children as young as 10 taking part in the attack.

This is so horrible, these are children! Being used as soldiers! Trained from pre-school to hate!

This is abuse by the parents of these children. They aren't freedom fighters.

How does Israel make a ceasefire with people that do this to their own children???

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

So, in the absence of any Palestinian organisation other than Hamas to negotiate with - and bear in mind Hamas refuse to enter into any dialogue with Israel - Israel is expected to call a unilateral ceasefire with no assurances that there will be no attacks carried out against Israel and its nationals?

Would you honestly agree to that?

You conveniently forget the videos of hostages being paraded through Gaza City amongst cheering crowds?

The only things I'm guilty of is expressing my anonymous personal opinion to complete strangers on a relatively obscure website.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

...call a unilateral ceasefire with no assurances...

Would you honestly agree to that?

Yes. That is what "call for ceasefire" means.

Neither side of a war has -EVER- in the historical record of the entire Human Universe had 100% assurances a ceasefire will be upheld. It's war. It's murder. It's hell. People, in any such scenario, tend to also...lie.

Am I guilty, dear fellow human being of Planet Earth(I hope(but also hope not, because how cool would that be, amirite?)), of supporting terrorists for calling for ceasefire?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Oh no!

According to the pro-hamas gang, the rockets are just palestinians free speech.

*eye roll*

Gwweeeeez! The genocidal pun grin intensified.

And where were they supposed to go, with the March of Return shut down dead for good, with Hamas buying rockets with Qatari money from the Likud?
What do you think, should we draw this out like a map?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Lets just take all the emotion out of the equation, and look at this situation with solutions that might work.

Ceasefire hasn't worked. What has happened with the last ceasefire is exactly what will happen with the next. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Hamas has very tragically trained a generation from pre-school to hate. There are reports that children as young as 10-12 took part in the attack.

Lets say there is a ceasefire. What should be done to rehab these poor people that have been so corrupted by the terrorist organization running rampant in Palestine for 20 years?

What should Israel do to protect their population from the people that so brutally attacked them and enjoyed doing so?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

It'd be pretty bloody risky to call a unilateral ceasefire when Hamas are still a live threat wouldn't it.

If I'm being honest I don't particularly like seeing people die, we all should be better than that.
But unfortunately the realities of life are pretty horrific.

Israel has to nullify Hamas as a threat to them.

I will grant you that this is probably breeding another desensitised generation who know nothing but hatred.

But being realistic what options do Israel have?
Unilateral ceasefire isn't an option for them; their responsibility and duty is to safeguard their own people.

I don't profess to have any long term lasting solution; I'm just a simple man from a small town in North East England.
But I know if this horrific terrorist attack had been carried out in the UK I would be demanding that my government eradicate the immediate threat of a repeat.