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originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: SomeStupidName
53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.
coopwb.in...
A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.
www.pcpsr.org...
At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.
Level every last square inch and tarmac over it then.
You must be ignoring the 49% of Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, otherwise you would surely not be suggesting Israel to commit War Crimes and make no distinction between innocent Palestinian civilians and HAMAS militants?
Do the 49% of Palestinians who do not want HAMAS, not deserve to be given a chance of survival?
Now, I'm still following your own logic here, quite faithfully, when I ask this:
Are you willing to admit that the Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, and who would obviously have supported a ceasefire, are supporting HAMAS if they call for a ceasefire?
Yep , totally ignoring the 49%.
There is no such thing as a 'ceasefire' with regards to this war, 'deferring' would be more apt.
Innocent Palestinian civilians ? Have the 49% taken to task the terrorist that acted in their name?
This situation will be a never ending cycle if a ceasefire is agreed.
Many 10's of thousands more, those that are children today, the real innocent will die in the future for the actions/inactions of their fathers today.
I stand by my 'Level every last square inch and tarmac over it' statement, as it seems a whole lot more humane than dragging it out across generations.
The other 51% of Gaza civilians are also NON-COMBATANTS NONMILITANTS.
Only if they take up arms with HAMAS do they become militants.
I think we played into a fallacy that I just now recognized, that non-combatant civilian HAMAS supporters in poll results deserve to die along with HAMAS.
It's not about deserving anything. It's about the cost of doing nothing. Those are the two answers, fight back or don't. Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing that millions will thrive thanks to their sacrifice instead of dying in vain knowing thousands and perhaps millions more are doomed to the same fate.
It's about the narrow perception and logical fallacy that the only way to fight terrorism is with indiscriminate destruction, regardless of civilian presence.
Can you give me thought on this line of Disinformation?
You mean the thoughts I literally just typed a few minutes ago and you brushed off without pause or regard?
originally posted by: Tagz
a reply to: BiothermalReactor
Even if it was only 24 hours, that would have been plenty of time to get out of the bombing zone, even with Hama's interference should they have wished to.
How stupid must they have been to stay?
originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor
"Many thousands LESS would have died without the indiscriminate precision-guided bombardment lasting week after week."
Blimey.
Was it indiscriminate or precision guided?
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
a reply to: BiothermalReactor
Even if it was only 24 hours, that would have been plenty of time to get out of the bombing zone, even with Hama's interference should they have wished to.
How stupid must they have been to stay?
If HAMAS was keeping people in the city, then those people COULD NOT LEAVE.
Was it indiscriminate or precision guided?
"This is not about surgical strikes and military infrastructure anymore," an IDF officer said about the war in Gaza. "This means we will obliterate civilian infrastructure as well. Apartment buildings will be toppled. Hezbollah feeds off our apprehension to land a decisive strike, which means we will exhibit the exact opposite to avoid opening a northern front."
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: SomeStupidName
53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.
coopwb.in...
A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.
www.pcpsr.org...
At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.
Level every last square inch and tarmac over it then.
You must be ignoring the 49% of Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, otherwise you would surely not be suggesting Israel to commit War Crimes and make no distinction between innocent Palestinian civilians and HAMAS militants?
Do the 49% of Palestinians who do not want HAMAS, not deserve to be given a chance of survival?
Now, I'm still following your own logic here, quite faithfully, when I ask this:
Are you willing to admit that the Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, and who would obviously have supported a ceasefire, are supporting HAMAS if they call for a ceasefire?
Yep , totally ignoring the 49%.
There is no such thing as a 'ceasefire' with regards to this war, 'deferring' would be more apt.
Innocent Palestinian civilians ? Have the 49% taken to task the terrorist that acted in their name?
This situation will be a never ending cycle if a ceasefire is agreed.
Many 10's of thousands more, those that are children today, the real innocent will die in the future for the actions/inactions of their fathers today.
I stand by my 'Level every last square inch and tarmac over it' statement, as it seems a whole lot more humane than dragging it out across generations.
The other 51% of Gaza civilians are also NON-COMBATANTS NONMILITANTS.
Only if they take up arms with HAMAS do they become militants.
I think we played into a fallacy that I just now recognized, that non-combatant civilian HAMAS supporters in poll results deserve to die along with HAMAS.
It's not about deserving anything. It's about the cost of doing nothing. Those are the two answers, fight back or don't. Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing that millions will thrive thanks to their sacrifice instead of dying in vain knowing thousands and perhaps millions more are doomed to the same fate.
It's about the narrow perception and logical fallacy that the only way to fight terrorism is with indiscriminate destruction, regardless of civilian presence.
Can you give me thought on this line of Disinformation?
You mean the thoughts I literally just typed a few minutes ago and you brushed off without pause or regard?
Thoughts like these?
"Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing"
This is not correct.
Many thousands LESS would have died without the indiscriminate precision-guided bombardment lasting week after week.
originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor
Is it true radar data shows that Hamas turned residential areas that you showed into rocket bases to store and launch rockets?
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: SomeStupidName
53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.
coopwb.in...
A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.
www.pcpsr.org...
At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.
Level every last square inch and tarmac over it then.
You must be ignoring the 49% of Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, otherwise you would surely not be suggesting Israel to commit War Crimes and make no distinction between innocent Palestinian civilians and HAMAS militants?
Do the 49% of Palestinians who do not want HAMAS, not deserve to be given a chance of survival?
Now, I'm still following your own logic here, quite faithfully, when I ask this:
Are you willing to admit that the Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, and who would obviously have supported a ceasefire, are supporting HAMAS if they call for a ceasefire?
Yep , totally ignoring the 49%.
There is no such thing as a 'ceasefire' with regards to this war, 'deferring' would be more apt.
Innocent Palestinian civilians ? Have the 49% taken to task the terrorist that acted in their name?
This situation will be a never ending cycle if a ceasefire is agreed.
Many 10's of thousands more, those that are children today, the real innocent will die in the future for the actions/inactions of their fathers today.
I stand by my 'Level every last square inch and tarmac over it' statement, as it seems a whole lot more humane than dragging it out across generations.
The other 51% of Gaza civilians are also NON-COMBATANTS NONMILITANTS.
Only if they take up arms with HAMAS do they become militants.
I think we played into a fallacy that I just now recognized, that non-combatant civilian HAMAS supporters in poll results deserve to die along with HAMAS.
It's not about deserving anything. It's about the cost of doing nothing. Those are the two answers, fight back or don't. Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing that millions will thrive thanks to their sacrifice instead of dying in vain knowing thousands and perhaps millions more are doomed to the same fate.
It's about the narrow perception and logical fallacy that the only way to fight terrorism is with indiscriminate destruction, regardless of civilian presence.
Can you give me thought on this line of Disinformation?
You mean the thoughts I literally just typed a few minutes ago and you brushed off without pause or regard?
Thoughts like these?
"Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing"
This is not correct.
Many thousands LESS would have died without the indiscriminate precision-guided bombardment lasting week after week.
you are expert enough to decide HAMAS should be protected
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: SomeStupidName
53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.
coopwb.in...
A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.
www.pcpsr.org...
At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.
Level every last square inch and tarmac over it then.
You must be ignoring the 49% of Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, otherwise you would surely not be suggesting Israel to commit War Crimes and make no distinction between innocent Palestinian civilians and HAMAS militants?
Do the 49% of Palestinians who do not want HAMAS, not deserve to be given a chance of survival?
Now, I'm still following your own logic here, quite faithfully, when I ask this:
Are you willing to admit that the Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, and who would obviously have supported a ceasefire, are supporting HAMAS if they call for a ceasefire?
Yep , totally ignoring the 49%.
There is no such thing as a 'ceasefire' with regards to this war, 'deferring' would be more apt.
Innocent Palestinian civilians ? Have the 49% taken to task the terrorist that acted in their name?
This situation will be a never ending cycle if a ceasefire is agreed.
Many 10's of thousands more, those that are children today, the real innocent will die in the future for the actions/inactions of their fathers today.
I stand by my 'Level every last square inch and tarmac over it' statement, as it seems a whole lot more humane than dragging it out across generations.
The other 51% of Gaza civilians are also NON-COMBATANTS NONMILITANTS.
Only if they take up arms with HAMAS do they become militants.
I think we played into a fallacy that I just now recognized, that non-combatant civilian HAMAS supporters in poll results deserve to die along with HAMAS.
It's not about deserving anything. It's about the cost of doing nothing. Those are the two answers, fight back or don't. Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing that millions will thrive thanks to their sacrifice instead of dying in vain knowing thousands and perhaps millions more are doomed to the same fate.
It's about the narrow perception and logical fallacy that the only way to fight terrorism is with indiscriminate destruction, regardless of civilian presence.
Can you give me thought on this line of Disinformation?
You mean the thoughts I literally just typed a few minutes ago and you brushed off without pause or regard?
Thoughts like these?
"Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing"
This is not correct.
Many thousands LESS would have died without the indiscriminate precision-guided bombardment lasting week after week.
you are expert enough to decide HAMAS should be protected
No one in this thread has, even remotely, made this suggestion.
You are 100% correct not to buy it.
originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Was it indiscriminate or precision guided?
The former, Blimey.
"This is not about surgical strikes and military infrastructure anymore," an IDF officer said about the war in Gaza. "This means we will obliterate civilian infrastructure as well. Apartment buildings will be toppled. Hezbollah feeds off our apprehension to land a decisive strike, which means we will exhibit the exact opposite to avoid opening a northern front."
No time to waste: Hamas must feel Israeli wrath immediately
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: SomeStupidName
53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.
coopwb.in...
A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.
www.pcpsr.org...
At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.
Level every last square inch and tarmac over it then.
You must be ignoring the 49% of Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, otherwise you would surely not be suggesting Israel to commit War Crimes and make no distinction between innocent Palestinian civilians and HAMAS militants?
Do the 49% of Palestinians who do not want HAMAS, not deserve to be given a chance of survival?
Now, I'm still following your own logic here, quite faithfully, when I ask this:
Are you willing to admit that the Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, and who would obviously have supported a ceasefire, are supporting HAMAS if they call for a ceasefire?
Yep , totally ignoring the 49%.
There is no such thing as a 'ceasefire' with regards to this war, 'deferring' would be more apt.
Innocent Palestinian civilians ? Have the 49% taken to task the terrorist that acted in their name?
This situation will be a never ending cycle if a ceasefire is agreed.
Many 10's of thousands more, those that are children today, the real innocent will die in the future for the actions/inactions of their fathers today.
I stand by my 'Level every last square inch and tarmac over it' statement, as it seems a whole lot more humane than dragging it out across generations.
The other 51% of Gaza civilians are also NON-COMBATANTS NONMILITANTS.
Only if they take up arms with HAMAS do they become militants.
I think we played into a fallacy that I just now recognized, that non-combatant civilian HAMAS supporters in poll results deserve to die along with HAMAS.
It's not about deserving anything. It's about the cost of doing nothing. Those are the two answers, fight back or don't. Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing that millions will thrive thanks to their sacrifice instead of dying in vain knowing thousands and perhaps millions more are doomed to the same fate.
It's about the narrow perception and logical fallacy that the only way to fight terrorism is with indiscriminate destruction, regardless of civilian presence.
Can you give me thought on this line of Disinformation?
You mean the thoughts I literally just typed a few minutes ago and you brushed off without pause or regard?
Thoughts like these?
"Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing"
This is not correct.
Many thousands LESS would have died without the indiscriminate precision-guided bombardment lasting week after week.
you are expert enough to decide HAMAS should be protected
No one in this thread has, even remotely, made this suggestion.
You are 100% correct not to buy it.
Then ignore the civilian population and level the place. Problem solved.
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: SomeStupidName
53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.
coopwb.in...
A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.
www.pcpsr.org...
At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.
Level every last square inch and tarmac over it then.
You must be ignoring the 49% of Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, otherwise you would surely not be suggesting Israel to commit War Crimes and make no distinction between innocent Palestinian civilians and HAMAS militants?
Do the 49% of Palestinians who do not want HAMAS, not deserve to be given a chance of survival?
Now, I'm still following your own logic here, quite faithfully, when I ask this:
Are you willing to admit that the Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, and who would obviously have supported a ceasefire, are supporting HAMAS if they call for a ceasefire?
Yep , totally ignoring the 49%.
There is no such thing as a 'ceasefire' with regards to this war, 'deferring' would be more apt.
Innocent Palestinian civilians ? Have the 49% taken to task the terrorist that acted in their name?
This situation will be a never ending cycle if a ceasefire is agreed.
Many 10's of thousands more, those that are children today, the real innocent will die in the future for the actions/inactions of their fathers today.
I stand by my 'Level every last square inch and tarmac over it' statement, as it seems a whole lot more humane than dragging it out across generations.
The other 51% of Gaza civilians are also NON-COMBATANTS NONMILITANTS.
Only if they take up arms with HAMAS do they become militants.
I think we played into a fallacy that I just now recognized, that non-combatant civilian HAMAS supporters in poll results deserve to die along with HAMAS.
It's not about deserving anything. It's about the cost of doing nothing. Those are the two answers, fight back or don't. Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing that millions will thrive thanks to their sacrifice instead of dying in vain knowing thousands and perhaps millions more are doomed to the same fate.
It's about the narrow perception and logical fallacy that the only way to fight terrorism is with indiscriminate destruction, regardless of civilian presence.
Can you give me thought on this line of Disinformation?
You mean the thoughts I literally just typed a few minutes ago and you brushed off without pause or regard?
Thoughts like these?
"Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing"
This is not correct.
Many thousands LESS would have died without the indiscriminate precision-guided bombardment lasting week after week.
you are expert enough to decide HAMAS should be protected
No one in this thread has, even remotely, made this suggestion.
You are 100% correct not to buy it.
Then ignore the civilian population and level the place. Problem solved.
Okay, enjoy your enraged terrorist factions, in all the surrounding lands, gaining new recruits.
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor
Is it true radar data shows that Hamas turned residential areas that you showed into rocket bases to store and launch rockets?
Is it true HAMAS turned all residential areas that you showed into rocket bases to store and launch rockets?
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Tagz
originally posted by: SomeStupidName
53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.
coopwb.in...
A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.
www.pcpsr.org...
At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.
Level every last square inch and tarmac over it then.
You must be ignoring the 49% of Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, otherwise you would surely not be suggesting Israel to commit War Crimes and make no distinction between innocent Palestinian civilians and HAMAS militants?
Do the 49% of Palestinians who do not want HAMAS, not deserve to be given a chance of survival?
Now, I'm still following your own logic here, quite faithfully, when I ask this:
Are you willing to admit that the Palestinians who do not support HAMAS, and who would obviously have supported a ceasefire, are supporting HAMAS if they call for a ceasefire?
Yep , totally ignoring the 49%.
There is no such thing as a 'ceasefire' with regards to this war, 'deferring' would be more apt.
Innocent Palestinian civilians ? Have the 49% taken to task the terrorist that acted in their name?
This situation will be a never ending cycle if a ceasefire is agreed.
Many 10's of thousands more, those that are children today, the real innocent will die in the future for the actions/inactions of their fathers today.
I stand by my 'Level every last square inch and tarmac over it' statement, as it seems a whole lot more humane than dragging it out across generations.
The other 51% of Gaza civilians are also NON-COMBATANTS NONMILITANTS.
Only if they take up arms with HAMAS do they become militants.
I think we played into a fallacy that I just now recognized, that non-combatant civilian HAMAS supporters in poll results deserve to die along with HAMAS.
It's not about deserving anything. It's about the cost of doing nothing. Those are the two answers, fight back or don't. Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing that millions will thrive thanks to their sacrifice instead of dying in vain knowing thousands and perhaps millions more are doomed to the same fate.
It's about the narrow perception and logical fallacy that the only way to fight terrorism is with indiscriminate destruction, regardless of civilian presence.
Can you give me thought on this line of Disinformation?
You mean the thoughts I literally just typed a few minutes ago and you brushed off without pause or regard?
Thoughts like these?
"Those non combatants are going to die either way. This way, the hundreds die knowing"
This is not correct.
Many thousands LESS would have died without the indiscriminate precision-guided bombardment lasting week after week.
you are expert enough to decide HAMAS should be protected
No one in this thread has, even remotely, made this suggestion.
You are 100% correct not to buy it.
Then ignore the civilian population and level the place. Problem solved.
Okay, enjoy your enraged terrorist factions, in all the surrounding lands, gaining new recruits.
After enough recruits are buried or cremated, the new ones will stop answering the phone. That's generally how the war on terror is supposed to end.
Let's show some backbone and pave over the bastards along with their hostages. If the hostages could speak from the grave, they would say thank you.
I know I would.
Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date
2023
October 7-November 14
9,500+
In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.
May 10-13
1,469 Rockets
RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.
2021
May 10-20
4,369 Rockets
More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.
originally posted by: Lazy88
originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor
Is it true radar data shows that Hamas turned residential areas that you showed into rocket bases to store and launch rockets?
Is it true HAMAS turned all residential areas that you showed into rocket bases to store and launch rockets?
If Hamas cared about civilians and wasn’t out to use them as human shields, then they wouldn’t turn neighborhoods into rocket bases.
Pretty simple.
originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor
Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date
2023
October 7-November 14
9,500+
In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.
May 10-13
1,469 Rockets
RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.
2021
May 10-20
4,369 Rockets
More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.
How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….