If you support the call for Israel to offer ceasefire, then you support Hamas.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Maybe ask the palestnians for a cease-fire from their indiscriminate bombing of civilian centers in Israel.

But ask nicely.

And say, please.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Anything else will do, rather than indiscriminately killing civilians.

Peace can still be achieved, even now, but there will be a long period of setbacks due to Israeli foreign policy.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Maybe ask the palestnians for a cease-fire from their indiscriminate bombing of civilian centers in Israel.

But ask nicely.

And say, please.

It's a good thing you don't have your finger on any launch buttons or decision-making in foreign policy, because you would be asking the wrong people.

Stop saying Palestinians = HAMAS

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Maybe you're right.

Who cares if 15 million Jews get killed as long as peace is the goal, amirite?

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor


Stop saying Palestinians = HAMAS

No.

Not until you can tell me the difference.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Maybe ask the palestnians for a cease-fire from their indiscriminate bombing of civilian centers in Israel.

But ask nicely.

And say, please.

Maybe even build a few more hospitals the terrorist can operate from? And a few more UN schools where they can store even more weapons and rockets? You can never have too much storage space?

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Maybe ask the palestnians for a cease-fire from their indiscriminate bombing of civilian centers in Israel.

But ask nicely.

And say, please.

It's a good thing you don't have your finger on any launch buttons or decision-making in foreign policy, because you would be asking the wrong people.

Stop saying Palestinians = HAMAS

Referring to the terrorist state Hamas turned Gaza into?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Palestinians = Hamas.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Not until you can tell me the difference.

American = Democrat. One is a nation of people, one is a political party.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not until you can tell me the difference.

American = Democrat. One is a nation of people, one is a political party.

Exactly.

Hamas could be shooting Israeli grandmothers after raping them, then drop their guns and become innocent palestinians.

*magic*

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Anything else will do, rather than indiscriminately killing civilians.

Peace can still be achieved, even now, but there will be a long period of setbacks due to Israeli foreign policy.

I think you're negating history here, just a bit. The Israeli occupation officially ended in Gaza c. 2005. The Fatah took over, and had a long term plan for stability in the region. Hamas then assassinated all major leading elements of Fatah, and established an obvious and unfortunate coup. Israel had no choice but to tighten the grip when an organization like that takes over.

There are things on THAT side of the fence that are being ignored at a worrying rate.

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Anything else will do, rather than indiscriminately killing civilians.

Peace can still be achieved, even now, but there will be a long period of setbacks due to Israeli foreign policy.

I think you're negating history here, just a bit. The Israeli occupation officially ended in Gaza c. 2005. The Fatah took over, and had a long term plan for stability in the region. Hamas then assassinated all major leading elements of Fatah, and established an obvious and unfortunate coup. Israel had no choice but to tighten the grip when an organization like that takes over.

There are things on THAT side of the fence that are being ignored at a worrying rate.

No, I'm not ignoring the historical record. Everything new I learn from the historical record leads me to horror at the complete disregard for human life that is practiced by fellow human Earthlings.

I'm just taking MORE into account what is happening at the present moment, which is not already written, not etched into stone so to speak, and where people can actually make new decisions in order to turn the ship from a course that leads to utter destruction.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not until you can tell me the difference.

American = Democrat. One is a nation of people, one is a political party.

This follows the same false equivalence fallacy as described in the topic post.

They would have us ignore the variations in Congress, as well as those of the constituents.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Walpurgisnacht

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

2023

October 7-November 14

9,500+

In the early days of the war in Gaza started by the Hamas infiltration and attack on Israeli civilians, more than 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. The bombardment has continued.


May 10-13

1,469 Rockets

RocketsThe IDF reported that 1,468 rockets were launched into Israel during Operation Shield and Arrow; 291 fell in Gaza; and 437 were intercepted by Iron Dome. Two rockets aimed at Tel Aviv were shot down by David’s Sling, and most of the rest landed in open areas without causing damage. One Israeli was killed when a rocket hit an apartment in Rehovot. A Palestinian laborer from Gaza working in Israel also died in a rocket strike.

2021

May 10-20

4,369 Rockets

More than 4,369 rockets were launched toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and neighboring communities. Ten Israelis were killed. More than 90 percent of projectiles heading toward populated areas were intercepted by Iron Dome. Roughly a third of the rockets landed inside the Gaza Strip. Most of the others landed in open fields.

How about Hamas just not launch rockets from residential neighborhoods in the first place….

Ok.

I agree they shouldn't do that.

Source for excerpt?

Ok. So how do you stop Hamas from launching rockets in the thousands from residential neighborhoods. Giving land for peace didn’t work.

Anything else will do, rather than indiscriminately killing civilians.

Peace can still be achieved, even now, but there will be a long period of setbacks due to Israeli foreign policy.

I think you're negating history here, just a bit. The Israeli occupation officially ended in Gaza c. 2005. The Fatah took over, and had a long term plan for stability in the region. Hamas then assassinated all major leading elements of Fatah, and established an obvious and unfortunate coup. Israel had no choice but to tighten the grip when an organization like that takes over.

There are things on THAT side of the fence that are being ignored at a worrying rate.

No, I'm not ignoring the historical record. Everything new I learn from the historical record leads me to horror at the complete disregard for human life that is practiced by fellow human Earthlings.

I'm just taking MORE into account what is happening at the present moment, which is not already written, not etched into stone so to speak, and where people can actually make new decisions in order to turn the ship from a course that leads to utter destruction.

Well, with all due respect, when you say peace is still on the table but will be a long time coming due to Israeli foreign policy, I have to disagree. Palestine needs to clean its house. No concessions will or should be made with Hamas, an organization who has listed the destruction of Israel and Jews in its operational parameters plain as day. You can't expect a country like Israel to bend a knee and stop the spanking with unreasonable people like that.

The remnants of Fatah are probably shaking their head and face palming at this hour. Hamas set them back years. Possibly even decades.

Moral of the story? It takes two to tango. Whether it be war or peace.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not until you can tell me the difference.

American = Democrat. One is a nation of people, one is a political party.

This follows the same false equivalence fallacy as described in the topic post.

They would have us ignore the variations in Congress, as well as those of the constituents.

If the U.S. Administration (Republican or Democrat) attacks another country, I'd expect that country to attack the U.S., in return. They wouldn't pick out Biden, Harris, or any other specific persons. They'd attack the U.S.

Now, if our military retreats into schools and hospitals, THAT would be a U.S. war crime, not the country that's retaliating.

Even if, children were killed in the attack. The country that attacked wouldn't be at fault, the United States would be committing a war crime that killed its own children, if it hid military under/in schools or hospitals.

The same for the Gazans/Palestinians. They are getting their own people killed, because of who they choose to hide behind.

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not until you can tell me the difference.

American = Democrat. One is a nation of people, one is a political party.

This follows the same false equivalence fallacy as described in the topic post.

They would have us ignore the variations in Congress, as well as those of the constituents.

If the U.S. Administration (Republican or Democrat) attacks another country, I'd expect that country to attack the U.S., in return. They wouldn't pick out Biden, Harris, or any other specific persons. They'd attack the U.S.

Now, if our military retreats into schools and hospitals, THAT would be a U.S. war crime, not the country that's retaliating.

Even if, children were killed in the attack. The country that attacked wouldn't be at fault, the United States would be committing a war crime that killed its own children, if it hid military under/in schools or hospitals.

The same for the Gazans/Palestinians. They are getting their own people killed, because of who they choose to hide behind.

Should I, then, expect that all these residential buildings were housing terrorists just because you and the others who agree that the tactics in response to Oct. 7th by the IDF is justified, because Israel says so?






:

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I believe Israel is justified in leveling Gaza, in retaliation to Hamas attacking Israel.

I've already told you that.