If you support the call for Israel to offer ceasefire, then you support Hamas.

Netanyahu and Biden need to be MEN OF INTEGRITY and focus on the Top Targets, like compassionate leaders do.

If Donald Trump were President, thousands of GAZA lives would have been saved, because his focus would be on the scum listed in this article.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

When Support from the top is removed, all the fighters go back home to Mommy and Daddy.

15 pages and 300 responses later, and the easiest position to have is no position at all.

You can't reconcile centuries of hate and precedent no matter what your opinion is. All sides care NOTHING about you and ultimately, we are beneath them if you're not one of them.

If it's a matter of right and wrong, then BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG!! The definition of "antisemitic" is so broad that if you support a ceasefire, then you support Hamas!

Just wow.😳

How in the fudge is it supporting Hamas to support a tampering of hostilities?? DO YOU WANT TO GLOW IN THE DARK?? My fellow US citizens, do you want to be attacked domestically? Because this support of either side comes with consequences that you better come to terms with while you're licking your lips for more bloodshed.

Do whatever you like honestly, doesn't matter to me personally, everyone involved can burn in hell for what they have done, what they are doing and what they will inevitably cause.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Palestinians were there before HAMAS took over and do not call themselves HAMAS.

No, they just elected them and now let Hamas walk all over them.

Like how Germans elected Hitler.

Were the Germans held in open air prisons/concentration camps too?

Are you asking a serious question, or is this an attempt at sarcasm?

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Zionism is simple this:

Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.

So you think Israel as a state should not exist. Correct?

Zionism requires the belief that Jews deserve to occupy the holy land because they are God's chosen people.

Please explain to me how not believing they are God's chosen people equivalates to thinking Israel should not exist without using the fallacy of equivalence.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Doesnt hurt them even a little bit. It hurts Israel and helps Hamas in the propaganda war.

You are aiding, abetting and enabling terrorists by shouting down Israel.

Yes.

your sarcasim is palpable.

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole
15 pages and 300 responses later, and the easiest position to have is no position at all.

I was actually watching War Games with my wife while you posted this.(we hated buff baby beuller's character so much)

The moral of that story was given at the very end, "THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IS TO NOT PLAY."

Of course I immediately thought of this thread and how well it applies to the veritable onslaught of use of the false equivalence fallacy. In other threads these pages of posts would have likely been removed as off-topic, and no one wins with the removal of posts like these that are mostly clean and full on with discussion.

Out there, though, the only way to win is to not play. The greatest victory is achieved with out a battle.

I created this thread so that game could be fairly played on-topically, and I have to say:

I am SO IMPRESSED with the level of civility and decorum practiced here and the critically low number of posts removed, although the thread is still quite fresh.

originally posted by: Xamalad

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Doesnt hurt them even a little bit. It hurts Israel and helps Hamas in the propaganda war.

You are aiding, abetting and enabling terrorists by shouting down Israel.

Yes.

your sarcasim is palpable.

I wish I could detect it, but I fear what we have here are genuine responses from genuine posters.

I believe what may be happening with this fallacy pandemic is explained in this article from the sticky on the Dissecting Disinformation thread list.

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Here's the source if you care to read further.

is it time to separate state and religion and become a modern western nation, or are we going to stay behind like the goat #ers?
Get over yourself and the notion that god chose you, or suffer from your own retardness.

If you're not with us, you're against us, is not cutting it anymore.

don't let the door hit you on the way out

So how will things go when the Middle East moves in self defense against the Zionists?

This ain't stopping at Gaza. Hamas has people and support all over the world. So once the official organization of Hamas is no longer functional in Gaza, then what happens with Hezbollah next? Already getting hot there too. So Iran gets drawn in, Turkey, Russia and China have there back over Israel with this one. With Egypt signing up with BRICS, those praying for an unholy war on all side just might get it. What is the EU going to do?

How is Ukraine going these days? The crusades' of the past could not wipe up the Middle East back then, why are things different now, unless we all go down in blazing flames of nuclear glory. Live together or die together.

The generational hate on both sides is a problem. You ain't going to beat it with more hate.

a reply to: kwaka

What is the EU going to do?

Milk the poppy again (again)? Why stop now, with the MIC in Germany about to restore its former glory?

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: SomeStupidName
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I saw a video yesterday where a woman was screaming about getting Hamas out of Palestine and some men were holding her down and covering her mouth as the cameras were rolling.

And to my point maybe that lady is ready to lay down her life in exchange for removing Hamas. We don't know, but some people would have you believe they know it all.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

No, it doesn't.

And I've heard it explained that they are Gods chosen people TO SUFFER. To reveal good and evil.

THere are 2 billion Muslims vs 20 million Jews. There are 1000 Muslims for every Jew.

originally posted by: Terpene
is it time to separate state and religion and become a modern western nation, or are we going to stay behind like the goat #ers?
Get over yourself and the notion that god chose you, or suffer from your own retardness.

If you're not with us, you're against us, is not cutting it anymore.

don't let the door hit you on the way out

Do you think their belief that they are God's chosen people may give them a false sense (to us) of superiority or supremacy over all other peoples of the world? If so, could this supremacist attitude be the problem which they find themselves in now with what I feel is an extremist rightwing government, where their bias does not allow them to accept the Palestinians as equals and therefore to give them sovereignty?

a reply to: SomeStupidName

Yes, they were dragging her away in the video.

The Persians have tried numerous times to overthrow the Mullahs too. But they don't get the assistance needed. Wonder why that is.

They scream about Christian religion. Like Muslims are some sort of downtrodden minority.

Nothing could be further from the TRUTH.

a reply to: Xamalad

I wasn't being sarcastic!

2 billion vs 20 million

who is committing genocide? Oh yes, the victims of a real attempt at genocide not even 100 years ago.

GTFO

a reply to: Terpene

Dennis Prager is very educated in Jewish History and biblical times.

His explanation: Jews have been chosen by God to SUFFER.

There are 2 billion Muslims that arent' ready to abandon religion. Those 2 billion Muslims want to exterminate the 20 million Jews on the planet.

But this belief by Jews is a Superiority Complex?

The purpose, in this choosen to suffer, is to reveal EVIL. And that is why its important to stand with Israel instead of piling on against, in the biblical view.

Like in HS. The bully beating up the little fellow. You know which side is good and which is evil. But cant see it writ large on the world.

Why is that?

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Xamalad

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Doesnt hurt them even a little bit. It hurts Israel and helps Hamas in the propaganda war.

You are aiding, abetting and enabling terrorists by shouting down Israel.

Yes.

your sarcasim is palpable.

I wish I could detect it, but I fear what we have here are genuine responses from genuine posters.

I believe what may be happening with this fallacy pandemic is explained in this article from the sticky on the Dissecting Disinformation thread list.

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Here's the source if you care to read further.

It could also be plain 'ole ignorance because many here don't read the sources they post, just the title, while others won't read others' sources/watch videos for any other belief/view than the one they feel safe/comfortable, etc. I find many don't bother to research their subject matter other than reading one article and don't bother to debunk it as disinformation, misinformation or propaganda before choosing then posting it.

It's no wonder ATS' slogan is still 'Deny Ignorance' because it is the most difficult state of mind for some people to reach and now with social media becoming AI iffy, how difficult it is to actually dissect information and it appears that is just too much effort for some people, it's easier to fall back on old unproven beliefs or the memory which may also gurgle up false memories.

My stance here, I repeat, is the only way to eliminate Hamas and for no other terrorist faction to rise again is to give Palestine what they want that being a self-governing state but also with sovereignty and the recently annexed land to be returned to them, this is what they have always wanted over the last 50 years. These solutions would render any terrorist group redundant.

Breaking news right now: Palestinians are protesting in occupied territories and are believed to being shot at by the occupying force; 1 person shot dead by a sniper, 12 injuries by live fire, skunk water, tear gas, stun grenades...WTF.

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels

THere are 2 billion Muslims vs 20 million Jews. There are 1000 Muslims for every Jew.

I don't see this about Jews like I don't see Hamas is about Palestine. It is about Zionism and it's invasion policy. How did that work out for Germany in WW2. It made a lot of ground, but did not know when to stop, just irritated the rest of the world until it finally got round to closing that chapter in history.

I support self determination, if you want to suffer, the world has plenty of it.

a reply to: quintessentone

It's no wonder ATS' slogan is still 'Deny Ignorance' because it is the most difficult state of mind for some people to reach

It is difficult, hard to accept what some people do. Getting into their head is a nasty place. Some are trapped under a mountain of history. It's difficult to try and comprehend it.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
a reply to: tanstaafl

I do not agree with this in the slightest, but I respect that you have this opinion as is in your right.

Regardless, it appears we are mostly on the same page, so...