Half a million people march in London for Palestine

a reply to: Leviathan4

It seems like you are intentionally trying to bait people.

So you think Israel should not defend itself against Terrorists?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

I can't tell you how they will negotiate but I can tell you what is NOT a solution. And this is the mass killings of innocent civilians on both sides. Israel has now created another generation of Jihadis and other militant groups all over middle east with their 'approach'

Let's take this as just the first step in negotiating and Hamas just keeps saying "Kill all Jews" and walks away. What do they do then? How do you negotiate when the end state is to see you dead and your country theirs?

I keep seeing this level of native in you as you think there might be a kumbaya ending to all this and there hasn't been one for like 2000 years or more.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

This is still forced expulsion and hence a war crime.

Get your information right for once.

What you suggest doesn't make sense. If Israel tells people that they are coming after Hamas so you got xx hours to not be there it's a war crime, if they just go in and attack Hamas it's a war crime too being in a civilian city. So by your logic, Israel cannot attack Hamas if they choose to be embedded with civilians.

Now that is just another war crime of 100s by Hamas to do that, so then you just go in and arrest them for war crimes instead...OK good luck with that.

a reply to: Blaine91555

He's a Master baiter.

Everyone clear on this now?
The United Nations and Amnesty International are anti Semitic.
Repeating for those who forgot to read the info.

United Nations AntiSemitism Platform

Jewish Virtual Library - AntiSemitism History of United Nations

Jewish Chronicle - Amnesty International Spreads The Virus of AntiSemitism

a reply to: Leviathan4

There should be a ceasefire and both sides need this time to find a way to live together.

They've been killing each other relentlessly for about one and a half thousand years now....it isn't going to change any time soon.
And the vast majority of that killing has been instigated by Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians. Even before Israel was an independent state, going way back to the times when Mohammed was proclaiming himself as Gods greatest prophet.

Israel told Egypt they could have The Gaza Strip....but they wanted nothing to do with it.
They could have done with it what they wanted, let Palestinians live there as an autonomous part of Egypt or an entirely independent nation.
Egypt declined the offer.
Why?
Because they would have inherited The Palestinian problem and no doubt Hamas would have spread into Egypt itself.
The same reason they refused to open the borders well before Israel launched their reprisals.

Egypt, like Saudi Arabia and one or two other Arab/Muslim nations, are coming round to accepting that Israel is there for good.
But having The Palestinian cause to champion does enough to keep the more radical and extremist elements in their respective countries reasonably satisfied.

You talk about a ceasefire and living in peace - a wonderful idyllic dream - but how can that be possible when Hamas outright refuses to consider a two state solution and continuously carries out these despicable terrorist attacks on Israel?
Are you genuinely shocked that Israel tries to defend itself and rid themselves of the Hamas threat once and for all?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Radchad

It’s interesting to see all these pro Palestine (actually Hamas) demonstrating against Israel’s military action in response to the October attack. Why have these same people never thrown as much support and anger against the Turks who are doing the same against the Kurds or the Myanmar military doing the same against the Rohingya? After all both these victims are Muslims. It’s obvious really these pro Palestine demonstrators are anti Semitic!

Who says the same people or in general those who are against war and atrocities don't campaign or are not concerned about the war between the Turkish State and Kurdish rebels/people or a very recent one the war in Nagorno-Karabakh.

It's a strawman argument the one you just made.

So you say that half million people and many more who don't go to demonstrations are anti-semitic? Any evidence for this?

Funny because I can’t remember a large demonstration in London in support of the Kurds or Rohingya or even the Yemenis. Strange don’t you think?

a reply to: Radchad

Jeremy Corbyn, who addressed the demonstrators, was kicked out of the Labour Party for his anti Semitic pro Hamas hate.

So, there you go.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Leviathan4

It seems like you are intentionally trying to bait people.

So you think Israel should not defend itself against Terrorists?

If you have seen my posts you wouldn't make this comment or ask the question.

I said in a number of threads that war crimes committed by Hamas were answered with war crimes committed by Israel.

The right to defend is a given but that doesn't extend to mass killings of innocent civilians mostly women and children until now.

When there are millions of people who have been demonstrating all over the world and many more who don't go to demonstrations then it's clear that what a large number of people want, and that's ceasefire, peace, and not the slaughtering of children, women, and innocent civilians.

originally posted by: Radchad

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Radchad

It’s interesting to see all these pro Palestine (actually Hamas) demonstrating against Israel’s military action in response to the October attack. Why have these same people never thrown as much support and anger against the Turks who are doing the same against the Kurds or the Myanmar military doing the same against the Rohingya? After all both these victims are Muslims. It’s obvious really these pro Palestine demonstrators are anti Semitic!

Who says the same people or in general those who are against war and atrocities don't campaign or are not concerned about the war between the Turkish State and Kurdish rebels/people or a very recent one the war in Nagorno-Karabakh.

It's a strawman argument the one you just made.

So you say that half million people and many more who don't go to demonstrations are anti-semitic? Any evidence for this?

Funny because I can’t remember a large demonstration in London in support of the Kurds or Rohingya or even the Yemenis. Strange don’t you think?

I am not from London.
But there should have been some sort of demonstrations about other conflicts. There were massive demonstrations everywhere before the war in Iraq started as far as I remember. (for example). I don't know what point you're trying to make.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
it's clear that what a large number of people want, and that's ceasefire, peace, ...

You've been told this over and over. It never sinks in. A so called 'ceasefire' will not bring peace. It just would mean that Israel couldn't defend itself and Hamas would reload. Hamas and the Palestinians have been given the two state solution and peace FIVE TIMES. They have rejected it each time and they demand that Israel stop existing, and they state they want to kill all the Jews. A 'cease fire' would not bring peace. It would just bring the destruction of Israel ... which is what you seem to want.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Leviathan4

There should be a ceasefire and both sides need this time to find a way to live together.

They've been killing each other relentlessly for about one and a half thousand years now....it isn't going to change any time soon.
And the vast majority of that killing has been instigated by Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians. Even before Israel was an independent state, going way back to the times when Mohammed was proclaiming himself as Gods greatest prophet.

Israel told Egypt they could have The Gaza Strip....but they wanted nothing to do with it.
They could have done with it what they wanted, let Palestinians live there as an autonomous part of Egypt or an entirely independent nation.
Egypt declined the offer.
Why?
Because they would have inherited The Palestinian problem and no doubt Hamas would have spread into Egypt itself.
The same reason they refused to open the borders well before Israel launched their reprisals.

Egypt, like Saudi Arabia and one or two other Arab/Muslim nations, are coming round to accepting that Israel is there for good.
But having The Palestinian cause to champion does enough to keep the more radical and extremist elements in their respective countries reasonably satisfied.

You talk about a ceasefire and living in peace - a wonderful idyllic dream - but how can that be possible when Hamas outright refuses to consider a two state solution and continuously carries out these despicable terrorist attacks on Israel?
Are you genuinely shocked that Israel tries to defend itself and rid themselves of the Hamas threat once and for all?

Are you from the UK?
If so then take a look at what your compatriots say about the war. It looks like the majority want a ceasefire and peace. Do you think they are unrealistic or having idyllic dreams?

People all over the world are not shocked with the right of Israel to defend it self but with the level of brutality and the war crimes committed by both sides.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
it's clear that what a large number of people want, and that's ceasefire, peace, ...

You've been told this over and over. It never sinks in. A so called 'ceasefire' will not bring peace. It just would mean that Israel couldn't defend itself and Hamas would reload. Hamas and the Palestinians have been given the two state solution and peace FIVE TIMES. They have rejected it each time and they demand that Israel stop existing, and they state they want to kill all the Jews. A 'cease fire' would not bring peace. It would just bring the destruction of Israel ... which is what you seem to want.

You misunderstood. They want ceasefire AND peace. They don't want the war to continue. Ceasefire is a prerequisite to peace.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Leviathan4

This is still forced expulsion and hence a war crime.

Get your information right for once.

What you suggest doesn't make sense. If Israel tells people that they are coming after Hamas so you got xx hours to not be there it's a war crime, if they just go in and attack Hamas it's a war crime too being in a civilian city. So by your logic, Israel cannot attack Hamas if they choose to be embedded with civilians.

Now that is just another war crime of 100s by Hamas to do that, so then you just go in and arrest them for war crimes instead...OK good luck with that.

Israel has ordered millions of people to mover. That's forced expulsion and hence a war crime. There is also no guarantee they will ever go back. Nobody can believe the IDF that a few days ago claimed there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza...

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
it's clear that what a large number of people want, and that's ceasefire, peace, ...

You've been told this over and over. It never sinks in. A so called 'ceasefire' will not bring peace. It just would mean that Israel couldn't defend itself and Hamas would reload. Hamas and the Palestinians have been given the two state solution and peace FIVE TIMES. They have rejected it each time and they demand that Israel stop existing, and they state they want to kill all the Jews. A 'cease fire' would not bring peace. It would just bring the destruction of Israel ... which is what you seem to want.

You misunderstood. They want ceasefire AND peace. They don't want the war to continue. Ceasefire is a prerequisite to peace.

On the 6th of October no Israelis were shooting at Gaza, no jets were bombing Gaza...only after the Pales broke the peace did Israel respond.

a reply to: Leviathan4

They want ceasefire AND peace.

Any actual evidence to support that.
And how would that 'peace' work when Hamas refuses to accept both the two state solution and a commitment to lay down arms and the armed 'struggle'?

Ceasefire is a prerequisite to peace.

How?
All it will do is give Hamas time to rearm and build new tunnels and bases underneath the reconstructed Gaza.

Please show us where Hamas and any significantly influential Palestinian organisation has shown a commitment to peaceful co-existence?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
it's clear that what a large number of people want, and that's ceasefire, peace, ...

You've been told this over and over. It never sinks in. A so called 'ceasefire' will not bring peace. It just would mean that Israel couldn't defend itself and Hamas would reload. Hamas and the Palestinians have been given the two state solution and peace FIVE TIMES. They have rejected it each time and they demand that Israel stop existing, and they state they want to kill all the Jews. A 'cease fire' would not bring peace. It would just bring the destruction of Israel ... which is what you seem to want.

You misunderstood. They want ceasefire AND peace. They don't want the war to continue. Ceasefire is a prerequisite to peace.

They were in a ceasefire. Hamas broke it.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

Israel has ordered millions of people to mover. That's forced expulsion and hence a war crime. There is also no guarantee they will ever go back. Nobody can believe the IDF that a few days ago claimed there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza...

Nope... don't want to waste my time on this.

a reply to: Leviathan4
No hostages, no peace.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
anti-Semitic useful idiots for Hamas.

Careful ... its not antisemitic to criticise Israel.
It also very misleading to suggest such a thing.

It is not supporting Hamas to call out the bombing of civilians 1000's dead
Nothing can excuse what Hamas did ... Nothing

Nothing can excuse what Israel is now doing to Gaza
Its the worlds biggest concentration camp.. there i said it.

Your post in my opinion is not reality and at worst highly bigoted.