Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Yep. Rotates his crops, barley, wheat, rapeseed. Harvests them with combine harvesters, ploughs what's left into his fields.

What an idiot, eh?

Seems to work just fine though.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Yep. Rotates his crops, barley, wheat, rapeseed. Harvests them with combine harvesters, ploughs what's left into his fields.

What an idiot, eh?

Seems to work just fine though.

Why would I think he is an idiot?

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Because you mocked him with this?

"Gee, how did I know he tills the ground?"

REPOSTING. Actual real science from real scientists who work with the animals.
They aren't internet hack pseudoscientists screaming insults and false information.

There are TWO ostrich species. COLORS are not a species. They are a BREED.
People should learn the difference between species and breed before spewing.

From multiple sources - QUOTING PEOPLE EDUCATED IN THE FIELD OF OSTRICHES -

PBS Ostrich Fact Sheet

There are two living species of Ostrich: the Common Ostrich, and the Samoli Ostrich

PetKeen Ostrich Species

Nowadays, there are only two living species of ostrich left, or even only one, according to some taxonomic references. Indeed, some sources consider the Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

Info Here

There are two living species of ostrich: the common ostrich, native to large areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Somali ostrich, native to the Horn of Africa.

Animalia Ostrich

The Common ostrich (Struthio camelus), or simply ostrich, is a species of flightless bird native to certain large areas of Africa and is the largest living bird species. It is one of two extant species of ostriches, the only living members of the genus Struthio in the ratite order of birds. The other is the Somali ostrich ....

For educational purposes - an 8th grade science class for those who obviously need it - complete with easy to read charts and explanations -

The Difference Between Breed and Species

ALSO -

All the differences - Breed and Species

A breed is a distinct selection of domestic animals within a species, selected and cultivated to have particular characteristics.

Dogs are one species with many different breeds, such as the Chihuahua, Great Dane, Beagle, or Labrador Retriever.

A species is a scientific designation for a group of organisms that share certain characteristics and are capable of interbreeding.

The boundaries between different species are defined based on the ability of two members of the same species to produce viable, fertile offspring.

When a common group shares the same organisms and can interbreed or can produce offspring, they are called species.

For example, German Shepherds and Rottweilers are considered the same species because they can interbreed successfully. And the mix of these dogs is known as Rottie Shepherd.

Species aren't decided by what color they are. That's BREED. Species are decided by what can interbreed and what can't.

SCIENTISTS have determined that there are TWO species of ostrich. They did not determine this by colors. That isn't what determines species. They are the ones that work with the animals and they know a hell of a lot better than pseudoscientists on the internet who don't even understand the difference between 'species' and 'breed'.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Reposting. Actual REAL science from actual REAL experts in the field of animal husbandry.

Why populations can't be saved by a single breeding pair

The Red List's assessment criteria are based on the so-called "50/500 rule". This states that to avoid inbreeding depression (the loss of "fitness" due to genetic problems), an effective population size of at least 50 individuals in a population is required.

To avoid eroding evolutionary potential (the ability of a population to evolve to cope with future environmental changes), an effective population of at least 500 is required.

Just because there is a male and female, doesn't mean they are going to WANT to reproduce. They can get really picky. Females engage in 'sexual selection', often refusing male mates as not being good enough for them.
Animal Reproduction Strategies

"relatively few males mate successfully'. Apparently females are very picky and more often than not REJECT the male attempting to mate.
Mating Systems In Sexual Animals

Mating habits of a lot of animals are very important and if they can't engage in their habits, they won't reproduce. Certain frogs, for example, have to mate in shallow pools of water or they won't do it. Where did Noah find shallow pools of water for frogs.
Mating Habits of Animals

Lol
So you could find nothing at all about ostrich to support your unfounded claims.

I will keep your arguments in mind when I decide to breed white rinos.
Lol

All the plants under the weight of two miles of water on top of them. Totally crushed. Totally water logged. Salt water dumping salinity into the soil (really just feet upon feet of debris and muck from the flood) .. killing all the good organisms and killing the soil.

Everything would have been dead. No trees. No bushes. No plants. No flowers. No grass. TOTALLY DEAD.

There would have been no farming getting off the ark. The soil would have been dead. There would have been no trees to get fruit from. They would have been dead and gone. There would have been no grass for the grass eating animals to eat. It would have been dead and gone.

ROOTS AND ALL. Dead plants. Dead seeds. Dead roots. Dead soil.
DEAD DEAD DEAD

Sea Water Coming Into Our Farms and Killing All The Plants

Saltwater Intrusion - Growing Threat to Coastal Agriculture

Seawater from Hurricanes Destroy Crops and Soil

Saltwater Intrusion Kills Turfgrass

Se awater Rise Killing Trees Along Atlantic Coast Creating Ghost Forests

Excess Soil Salinity Kills Micro Organisms in Soil - Destroys Soil

Soil Salinity Serious Environmental Issue - Destroys Soil

Soil Salinity A Global Threat

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
So you could find nothing at all about ostrich to support your unfounded claims.

I posted multiple scientific sources showing there are two species of ostrich.
I posted multiple scientific sources showing the difference between 'breed' and 'species'.
If you can't understand these simple things ... that's your problem.
You've been proven wrong ... multiple times.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
REPOSTING. Actual real science from real scientists who work with the animals.
They aren't internet hack pseudoscientists screaming insults and false information.

There are TWO ostrich species. COLORS are not a species. They are a BREED.
People should learn the difference between species and breed before spewing.

From multiple sources - QUOTING PEOPLE EDUCATED IN THE FIELD OF OSTRICHES -

PBS Ostrich Fact Sheet

There are two living species of Ostrich: the Common Ostrich, and the Samoli Ostrich

PetKeen Ostrich Species

Nowadays, there are only two living species of ostrich left, or even only one, according to some taxonomic references. Indeed, some sources consider the Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

Info Here

There are two living species of ostrich: the common ostrich, native to large areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Somali ostrich, native to the Horn of Africa.

Animalia Ostrich

The Common ostrich (Struthio camelus), or simply ostrich, is a species of flightless bird native to certain large areas of Africa and is the largest living bird species. It is one of two extant species of ostriches, the only living members of the genus Struthio in the ratite order of birds. The other is the Somali ostrich ....

For educational purposes - an 8th grade science class for those who obviously need it - complete with easy to read charts and explanations -

The Difference Between Breed and Species

ALSO -

All the differences - Breed and Species

A breed is a distinct selection of domestic animals within a species, selected and cultivated to have particular characteristics.

Dogs are one species with many different breeds, such as the Chihuahua, Great Dane, Beagle, or Labrador Retriever.

A species is a scientific designation for a group of organisms that share certain characteristics and are capable of interbreeding.

The boundaries between different species are defined based on the ability of two members of the same species to produce viable, fertile offspring.

When a common group shares the same organisms and can interbreed or can produce offspring, they are called species.

For example, German Shepherds and Rottweilers are considered the same species because they can interbreed successfully. And the mix of these dogs is known as Rottie Shepherd.

Species aren't decided by what color they are. That's BREED. Species are decided by what can interbreed and what can't.

SCIENTISTS have determined that there are TWO species of ostrich. They did not determine this by colors. That isn't what determines species. They are the ones that work with the animals and they know a hell of a lot better than pseudoscientists on the internet who don't even understand the difference between 'species' and 'breed'.

You could not tell the difference between ostrich breeds without identifying them by color of the skin on the neck.
Your own sources claim some feel there is only one species.
Since I can breed them should tell you something.
But noooooooo.
They are identified by color.
Reds, blues and blacks.
From the same continent.

You even prove me right claiming Rottweilers and German shephards are considered the same species because they can be bred together.

That was my point.
How can you not see your flaw in logic?
I can breed blues to reds.
Blacks to blues.
Reds to blacks.
Different breeds per your links, sources, logic.

See how inadequate Google can be without using your own logic along with it?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
So you could find nothing at all about ostrich to support your unfounded claims.

I posted multiple scientific sources showing there are two species of ostrich.
I posted multiple scientific sources showing the difference between 'breed' and 'species'.
If you can't understand these simple things ... that's your problem.
You've been proven wrong ... multiple times.

From your source

classification of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), the African ostrich (Struthio camelus) is indeed the only species still alive.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Because you mocked him with this?

"Gee, how did I know he tills the ground?"

I said it because the water had no place to go but on the surface.
That does not happen with a soil aggregate that provides paths for water

Tilling the soil destroys the soil aggregate

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Tell that to farmer John.

Will do that tomorrow.

I'll let you know what he says.

T&C's permitting.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Tell that to farmer John.

Will do that tomorrow.

I'll let you know what he says.

T&C's permitting.

It takes about a 3-4 year commitment to restore the production lost 100%.
But from there the gains are greater and a lot less work.
It is easier to commit to now that they have begun outlawing the sale of chemical fertilizers. You build soil, not make it.
After you build 8 inches after a few years you only need to add an inch or 2 of compost every few years to infuse it.
Compost is easy and cheap to make

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I'll be sure to give John the benefit of your wisdom.

And his boss in the Manor House who's family have farmed here for donkeys years.

So you don't actually farm?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I'll be sure to give John the benefit of your wisdom.

And his boss in the Manor House who's family have farmed here for donkeys years.

So you don't actually farm?

I farm and ranch
I started with vermiculture.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Maybe you forgot you said this?

""I am a simulation.
I am a carpenter by trade".

Which is it?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Maybe you forgot you said this?

""I am a simulation.
I am a carpenter by trade".

Which is it?

I am old.
Worms captivated me.
I am a captive farmer because I cannot stop thinking about it. A great big riddle that keeps uncovering enigmas that lead to more riddles to solve.
And I have a goal of eating everyday of my life.
I intend to manifest that reality.
30 years ago I knew this day was coming.
Though I am not promoting ways to hunger.
The quicker we get rid of chemical fertilizers the quicker we restore food as medicine. California has begun this already, but probably for the wrong reasons. But that is OK.
The costs for food will increase quite a lot but the medical costs will dissipate exponentially.
We will have more energy.
Stress far less and restore mental capacity.
Just replacing petrochemical sourced sulfur with natural food sourced sulfur is a game changer.

As I said - 4 men in 2400 bc who knew nothing about ship building couldn't build that ark.
They didn't have the materials, the time, or the knowledge.
AND a wooden ship that size wouldn't work.
It would be torn apart in the ocean.

Also, the number of animals needed on the ark in order to perpetuate species
couldn't fit.

Here's actual science ...

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
From your source

From my own sources ... TWO species of ostrich

PBS Ostrich Fact Sheet

There are two living species of Ostrich: the Common Ostrich, and the Samoli Ostrich

PetKeen Ostrich Species

Nowadays, there are only two living species of ostrich left, or even only one, according to some taxonomic references. Indeed, some sources consider the Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

Info Here

There are two living species of ostrich: the common ostrich, native to large areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Somali ostrich, native to the Horn of Africa.

Animalia Ostrich

The Common ostrich (Struthio camelus), or simply ostrich, is a species of flightless bird native to certain large areas of Africa and is the largest living bird species. It is one of two extant species of ostriches, the only living members of the genus Struthio in the ratite order of birds. The other is the Somali ostrich ....

I am not going to bother addressing this anymore.
The facts have been presented.
The actual SCIENTISTS say that it's two species.

Zoology debunks Noahs Ark myth

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Hysterical. And dead on accurate ...

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