Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

Archaeology debunks Noahs Flood
Really interesting on how counting was done back then

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Dendrochronology Disproves Noah's Flood

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Geology Disproves Noahs Flood
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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
From your source

From my own sources ... TWO species of ostrich

PBS Ostrich Fact Sheet

There are two living species of Ostrich: the Common Ostrich, and the Samoli Ostrich

PetKeen Ostrich Species

Nowadays, there are only two living species of ostrich left, or even only one, according to some taxonomic references. Indeed, some sources consider the Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

Info Here

There are two living species of ostrich: the common ostrich, native to large areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Somali ostrich, native to the Horn of Africa.

Animalia Ostrich

The Common ostrich (Struthio camelus), or simply ostrich, is a species of flightless bird native to certain large areas of Africa and is the largest living bird species. It is one of two extant species of ostriches, the only living members of the genus Struthio in the ratite order of birds. The other is the Somali ostrich ....

I am not going to bother addressing this anymore.
The facts have been presented.
The actual SCIENTISTS say that it's two species.

From your source

Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

1 species.
3 sub species.
1 of these came from multiple generations of cross breeding the other 2.
You cannot visually tell the difference between any of them and you know this now.
Yet here you are bound by confirmation bias claiming victory by Google.
You even gave the correct example from being able to breed Rottweilers to German Shephards BECAUSE as your source claimed, they are of the same species.

All your sources claim I can do the same with all the breeds of ostrich.
That is game over.
You lost the arg.
It is finished...still.

And I used your sources to prove it

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Well, spoke to Farmer John about your ideas but he just said "Wassock"!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Well, spoke to Farmer John about your ideas but he just said "Wassock"!

Not sure what whassock means.
But either way all is well.
They are not my ideas.
I gleaned it all feim much smarter people than myself.
My working model is old growth forests.
I have not discussed my ideas at all other than worm castings being essential in fast tracking timelines in regreening desert infertile soil.
My ideas are in the protocols in execution creating fertile chemical free soil.
There are better ways than petro-chemical byproducts for chemical based fertilizers, insecticides and pesticides.
It is all about microbes, bacteria, organic acids.
100's of thousands acres of industrial hemp is my goal to help change the world for the better

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Google is your friend.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Google is your friend.

I took your advice.
Yes.
Sometimes Google is a friend.

I am fully aware that attempting to grow food with chemicals isn't for everyone.
I sincerely hope his flooding problems get better.
I empathize with his loss and surely he needs support not criticism and more stress than he already has.
Farming is not easy and wrought with high risk and low reward.
I hope him the best.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

"I empathize with his loss and surely he needs support not criticism and more stress than he already has."

Indeed.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

"I empathize with his loss and surely he needs support not criticism and more stress than he already has."

Indeed.

Farming is a lot of hard work.
We have to trust our decisions in knowing nobody is there to bail us out if we make the wrong decision or if something catastrophic happens like weather.
Again, I hope only the best for him

So we have from the science and history presented -

- There isn't enough water on and in the Earth for this to have happened.
- Boat technology in 2400BC - humans didn't know how to build a boat that size. I posted a picture of a 2400bc era boat capability. Not even remotely close.
- Noah didn't know how to build a boat that size. He and his sons weren't enough manpower either.
- The materials to make a boat like that weren't available in Mesopotamia.
- Noah couldn't have cut the forests, made the pitch, painted the pitch, build the boat, all while collecting animals from around the world, gathering their food, and gathering their fresh water supplies. Can't do it all.
- The boat would have rotted before being finished.
- The number of animal that would have been required to be on the boat was in the tens of millions. Animal diversity proves this. They couldn't be gathered. They couldn't fit. Their food couldn't be gathered. Their food couldn't fit. Their water couldn't be gathered. Their water couldn't fit.
-Specific animals have specific food requirements that would have not been able to be filled.
- The amount of food needed for the animals couldn't be gathered and couldn't fit on the ark and couldn't be kept fresh.
- The amount of animal poop and pee would have overwhelmed the 8 people. Spending all day every day removing the poop and pee. Disease would have risen up.
- Human genetic diversity proves that we all didn't come from one man in 2400BC.
- Human language and culture and religious and writing diversity proves that we all didn't come from one man in 2400bc Mesopotamia.
- A wooden boat that size would have been crushed in the ocean. It could float but it would have been torn apart. It wouldn't have been seaworthy.
- The amount of water that would have had to have been on the boat wouldn't fit. And large amounts of fresh water in storage on the boat would have sunk the boat, causing it to be off balance in the storms and waves and capsizing.
- The semi-aquatic animals needing both water and land - like hippos and turtles - wouldn't have a habitat on the ark for them and they wouldn't have survived.
- animals have temperature requirements and Mesopotamia simply would have been too hot for the arctic animals, killing them.
- There is no way that the animals that were required to be on the boat could have made it to Mesopotamia from South America, North America, Australia, Islands, etc etc.
- 2 of a kind is not enough diversity for a species to survive. At least 50 is needed, and 500 is needed for healthy generations.
- There was no way for noah to gather the one year supply of ants, termites, and insects needed to feed the animals that needed to eat them.
- There was no way for noah to feed the carnivores that required meat in their diets.
- There was no way for the insects of the world to survive, and that includes bees, so that means a dead planet.
- Genesis 6:16 says there was an 18-inch opening all around the top of the ark for ventilation, but that wouldn't have been enough and the animals would have died from the lack of oxygen and the fumes from the poop and pee.
- measles, pneumococcal pneumonia, leprosy, typhus, typhoid fever, small pox, poliomyelitis, syphilis, and gonorrhea etc etc would have had to have been on the ark and in the 8 people on the ark in order for those diseases to survive. It's impossible for the 8 people to hold all the communicable diseases and survive.
- Two miles of water covering the planet and oceans would have destroyed every plant on the planet including all their seeds and their roots. CRUSHING them under the weight of ice cold sunless oceans. Killing the planet and leaving nothing for people and animals to eat after the flood.
- The salt from the oceans covering the earth would have killed the soil. Dead soil and useless unable to grow anything. And any soil would have been buried in yards and yards of poisoned sediment.
- There wouldn't have been any food for the animals coming off the ark. No grasses to eat (and none ever to grow again), no prey to eat, no insects to eat. They would have starved.
- Rain would have fallen at a crushing 350 inches an hour, destroying the ark. (and washing away the imaginary 'garden' on top of the ark invented by cooperton). It also would have made the air UNBREATHABLE.
- Geology proves there was no world wide flood.
- Archeology proves there was no world wide flood.
- Civilizations around the world with uninterrupted history, keeping their people and their language and their gods.
- Dendrochronology proves there was no world wide flood.
- The ice shelves still exist and prove there was no world wide flood.
- Coral reefs tens of thousands of years old still exist and prove there was no world wide flood.
- Ice core samples go back 40,000 years and show no evidence of a world wide flood.
- The mix of fresh and salt water would have killed all the ocean algae, and all the fresh water and ocean fish. Killing the oceans. Dead oceans mean no oxygen and a dead planet.
- We know where the Noah myth comes from ... earlier PAGAN stories that the Hebrews took and readapted to their own culture. The story is made up. There was no Noah.
- The stories from around the world about floods were from regional floods and do not match the Noahs flood story. Those people also do not speak Noahs language, nor have his God, nor have his culture so they obviously did not come from his offspring.

And of course we have the fact that the whole Noahs Flood was supposed to wipe out sin, which it didn't do. So it would be considered an epic failure.

THE STORY IS IMPOSSIBLE. Proven - It didn't happen.

The Impossible Voyage of Noahs Ark - National Center for Science Education

The Physical Impossibility of Noahs Ark

Penn State University - The Examination - Noahs Ark Didn't Happen

The Impossible Voyage of Noahs Ark - paper available

How Stuff Works - Could Noahs Ark Really Have Happened?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Just to be clear, you’re a Christian who doesn’t believe the Bible. Got it.

a reply to: JohnTChance

Address the facts. Not the poster.

The majority of Christians understand that the Noahs Ark flood is mythological and not to be taken as literal history. It's mostly just the fundamentalists who think it actually happened.

a reply to: JohnTChance

I'm a Christian who does not believe the Bible verbatim.

Christened a Protestant, done dusted, and all that's required.

Can even ask as many questions as we wish, it's all good as far as I'm led to believe.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Majority of Christians don’t believe the Bible as written ? That’s news to me. Where’s that “fact” from since you only deal in facts. Also why does it bother you so much if someone chooses to have faith in the Bible as written?

a reply to: JohnTChance

majority of Christians don’t believe the Bible as written ? That’s news to me.

A lot of people simply pay the religion lip service in this day of age JohnTChance.

originally posted by: JohnTChance
Majority of Christians don’t believe the Bible as written ? That’s news to me. Where’s that “fact” from since you only deal in facts.

Some of the Bible is historical. Some of the Bible is mythological. Some of the Bible is poetry. Some of the Bible is Prophecy. This is how most Christians read the Bible. If you are reading the Bible as 100% literal history, then to you the world is only 6,000 years old. Mostly that's just fundamentalists who think that way because that is proven false.

Example - 1 Billion Catholic Christians are not required to believe the flood literally covered the Earth. They are free to believe it if they wish, but the more popular belief is that there was a regional flood at some point and the story got exaggerated.

Every non-fundamentalist christian I know does not believe that the Noahs Ark story is literal history .. no matter what their church may or may not teach. The facts say it's not true. It's just that simple.

Also why does it bother you so much if someone chooses to have faith in the Bible as written?

Why does it bother you so much if someone chooses to use their brain and see that the Noahs Ark story has been proven false?

Address the facts as presented.

How did the koala bear and the kangaroo get from Australia to Mesopotamia?
How did the sloth and the anaconda get from South America to Mesopotamia?
Deny ignorance.