Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

originally posted by: JohnTChance
If you wanna put your faith in man go ahead. At some point we all have to have faith in something. I’m choosing God.

People can believe in God AND use their brains and see that Noahs Ark isn't from God, but is instead a man made myth.

It's a mystery as to why people cling to this myth and claim it's literal history. It's easily proven false. AND The story insults God. It makes him out to be a cruel idiot. The whole purpose of the flood was to wipe out sin, but it popped right back up again. The plan was a failure.

As a Christian, do you believe in the miracles Jesus performed in the New Testament?

Off topic. Answer the on topic questions that have been put to you -

How did the koalas and kangaroos get from Australia to Mesopotamia?
How did the sloth and the anacondas get from South America to Mesopotamia?
How did the polar bears and penguins get from the arctic and Antarctica to Mesopotamia?

originally posted by: JohnTChance
a reply to: FlyersFan

If you wanna put your faith in man go ahead. At some point we all have to have faith in something. I’m choosing God. If you have faith the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains. I don’t see any reason why that shouldn’t apply to Noah’s Ark.

As a Christian, do you believe in the miracles Jesus performed in the New Testament?

I had to jump in here because what uneducated witnesses would have considered to be miracles performed by Jesus may have been his knowledge of medicine/healing from other cultures or understanding of cyclical natural events.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.

a reply to: FlyersFan

AND The story insults God. It makes him out to be a cruel idiot.

Well if you choose to believe the tale in a literal sense it would seem to indicate the likes of a massive inferiority complex on the part of the big fellow.

Then there is the mass genocide and complete and utter destruction of his own beloved creation aspect to consider.

The story reeks of the likes of "I'm taking ma baw and going up the road" mentality.

Not to mention paints god in a very malevolent manner as opposed to the benevolent fellow portrayed in the likes of the New Testament.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
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You have been educated on this. What is in the mantle isn't sweet wet water. It's wet minerals. SOLID. You really should stop trying to tell people it's water. IT IS NOT. WET MINERALS

Your source is from 2014, 9 years before this more contemporary study that shows there is large volumes of water beneath the crust:

"Our research presents a method that more accurately determines the quantitative composition of ultrahigh-pressure (UHP) fluid [high H2O (~40 wt.%) and solute (~60 wt.%) contents] "

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

This updated source shows there is water reserves beneath earth's crust. You can't wish this away. You can't just deny science because of your faithlessness. See the irony?

a reply to: FlyersFan

The answers you seek require faith. When we stand before God we will be judged on whether we had faith in Him.

a reply to: JohnTChance

What happens when we judge him back?

I mean based on the likes of his antics in the tale of Noah's Ark.

Don't you imagine God would have quite a bit to answer for?

Like the willful destruction, or at least complete and utter devastation, of a world for instance.

Do you imagine that mass genocide and the complete and utter annihilation of the majority of life on the planet via a deluge that lasted 40 days and 40 nights inspires faith?

a reply to: cooperton

No. You have been debunked. Already done on another thread and not re-stating all that. There is are no oceans of water in the earth.

You still haven't answered the questions -

How did the koalas and kangaroos get from Australia to Mesopotamia?
How did the sloth and the anacondas get from South America to Mesopotamia?
How did the polar bears and penguins get from the arctic and Antarctica to Mesopotamia?

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: quintessentone

Especially earlier on in Messopotamian History. Milankovitch Cycles are real. And Iraq didn't really dry fully up until between 4000-3000 BCE. The monsoon pattern shifting away for good by 2500 BCE. Southern Iraq is the same latitude as Giza and the once green Sahara, and a continuation of its climate.

That flood plain was prone to floods that reached from one river to the other. It was an occurrence for Mesopotamian barges to get swept out to The Persian Gulf. Some more noteworthy than others. Some were literally transporting livestock.

Gilgamesh was probably WAY closer to the original tale of a random trader swept out to sea and forced to exist on beer.

Thanks that's very interesting as is the deep-sea core sample study and carbon dating shells.

www.whoi.edu...

And the evidence of the flooding from Mediterranean Sea.

Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.

According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.

Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.

"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."

It also seems that if you follow God's word to the letter you too may be given the gift to live to be 600 years old as supposedly Noah was. Or should be challenge the math skills of those that transcribed/copied scripture?

So it appears the flood evidence or lack thereof depends on the location and we really don't know the location of where Noah lived, if he existed at all.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: cooperton

No. You have been debunked. Already done on another thread and not re-stating all that. There is are no oceans of water in the earth.

No you're not debunking me, you have to debunk the research paper. Why is the research paper wrong?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: JohnTChance
The answers you seek require faith.

Um ... no. That's a cop out. Answer the simple questions -

How did the koalas and kangaroos get from Australia to Mesopotamia?
How did the sloth and the anacondas get from South America to Mesopotamia?
How did the polar bears and penguins get from the arctic and Antarctica to Mesopotamia?

When we stand before God we will be judged on whether we had faith in Him.

So .. believe it's true because someone claims it is, or go to Hell, eh? Nope. God isn't going to send people to hell because they refused to believe in a proven-false myth that was told about Him. To blindly believe in a myth simply because someone thousands of years ago claimed it is true ... that's insane. God gave us brains to use.

To believe in Noahs Ark as literal history, God would literally have to have performed hundreds of millions of miracles. And then when the flood was over, he would have had to again literally have performed hundreds of millions of miracles to erase all evidence of the flood and reset the world exactly as it was before the flood.

Obviously it didn't happen.

originally posted by: andy06shake
What happens when we judge him back?

The story is an insult to God. It makes him out to be exceptionally cruel and an idiot. The whole point of the flood would have been to wipe out evil and sin, and yet it popped right back up again. According to the myth, the plan was a failure.

a reply to: cooperton

Debunked on the other thread.
There are NOT underground oceans of sweet water.
I'm not dragging all that information over here to rehash it.

Answer the questions -
How did the koalas and kangaroos get from Australia to Mesopotamia?
How did the sloth and the anacondas get from South America to Mesopotamia?
How did the polar bears and penguins get from the arctic and Antarctica to Mesopotamia?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: cooperton

Debunked on the other thread.
There are NOT underground oceans of water.

The research paper says otherwise:

"Our research presents a method that more accurately determines the quantitative composition of ultrahigh-pressure (UHP) fluid [high H2O (~40 wt.%) and solute (~60 wt.%) contents] "

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Why do you think their results are wrong ?

a reply to: cooperton

Debunked on the other thread.
I'm not dragging all that information over here.

You still haven't answered the questions -

How did the koalas and kangaroos get from Australia to Mesopotamia?
How did the sloth and the anacondas get from South America to Mesopotamia?
How did the polar bears and penguins get from the arctic and Antarctica to Mesopotamia?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yeah, people of the religious sorts are supposed to come to god because it's the correct thing to do, not through fear.

Faith through fear amounts to nothing more than terror which is no way for anyone to go through life by my guess.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: cooperton

Debunked on the other thread.
I'm not dragging all that information over here.

No it wasn't. No one offered a good enough reason to dismiss the most recent research on underground water supplies.

"Our research presents a method that more accurately determines the quantitative composition of ultrahigh-pressure (UHP) fluid [high H2O (~40 wt.%) and solute (~60 wt.%) contents] "

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Why are you denying science? I thought you were supposed to be the champion of logic ?

The mathematical impossibility of the flood and Earths water volumes
Real math. Real science.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: cooperton

Debunked.

You still haven't answered the questions -

How did the koalas and kangaroos get from Australia to Mesopotamia?
How did the sloth and the anacondas get from South America to Mesopotamia?
How did the polar bears and penguins get from the arctic and Antarctica to Mesopotamia?

I liked this video. 18 minutes.
Archaeology proves the flood didn't happen.
Chinese, Egyptian cultures ...
Unbroken history all through time.
Same language. Same culture. Same ethnicity.
No wipe out.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: FlyersFan
The mathematical impossibility of the flood and Earths water volumes
Real math. Real science.

www.youtube.com...

it does not refute the evidence found presented in the research study from 2023:

"Our research presents a method that more accurately determines the quantitative composition of ultrahigh-pressure (UHP) fluid [high H2O (~40 wt.%) and solute (~60 wt.%) contents] "

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...