Gov. Newsom signs $20/hr fast food minimum wage

originally posted by: markovian
a reply to: FlyersFan
People die from cooks making mistakes as well

I wouldn't trust someone making minimum wage to cook my food

Just as I wouldn't trust a mechanic making minimum wage to fix my car

The 2 jobs pay different and that's fine minimum wage is for jobs where no one will die for a mistake

We may need a politician to sort this out.

originally posted by: KimJongUn
a reply to: FlyersFan

You’ve been brainwashed by the 1%. Literally nobody is arguing that a fast food worker should be paid like an engineer, that’s such a strawman arguement. All we are saying is that a fast food workers directly doing the work that creates the profit for a company deserves a fair compensation and portion of the profits they generate. Investors are lazy parasites who do nothing but occasionally sit in a meeting and demand all the profits. They contribute little to nothing for the company when compared to the average worker.

20 an hour is over 40k a year.

I'm not going to argue against bs jobs paying bs wage, but where I live minimum wage is around 15k a year. Has been for years.
When I was making twice that I bought my first house... during the economic crash of 2008.

We never recovered from that crash, and things are a lot worse now- but since I'm not a junkie I've been able to double my salary twice since then.

Now the burger flipping places are hiring at twice minimum wage, and even that isn't enough to pay bills... which tells me that money is losing value faster than wages are increasing.
It also tells me that in twenty years of busting my ass to get ahead, the lazy #s who have been on welfare the entire time I've been working have made out like bandits.

a reply to: lordcomac

Walmart pays so little that many of their employees are on food stamps. That means, through your taxes, that you are subsidizing the labor of walmart, a company that makes billions in profits. The same can be said for many fast food companies. Anyone who is willing to show up and work their hardest for 40 hours a week deserves a living wage and a reasonable portion of the profits they create through their labour.

originally posted by: KimJongUn
Nobody is expecting fast food workers to be paid like a surgeon.

If you raise the pay of burger flippers by 50% then you have to raise the wages of everyone else by 50%. It's only fair. THEY earned it.

And yes, if your work directly creates profits for the company, then you absolutely deserve to be paid a fair wage and given a a reasonable portion of the profits, thats not communism, its simply common sense.

It's communism. The worker doesn't take the business risks that the owner of the store takes. So no, it's not 'common sense' to give the workers the profit the store makes.

Anyone who says otherwise has been brainwashed by the1%.

Nope. Dead wrong. You don't understand basic economics.

originally posted by: KimJongUn
You’ve been brainwashed by the 1%.

Nope. I understand basic economics. You don't.

Literally nobody is arguing that a fast food worker should be paid like an engineer, that’s such a strawman arguement.

You want burger flippers to get over paid for the work they do. So in turn, everyone else needs a pay raise or else it's not fair to them for all the work and schooling they have put in.

All we are saying is that a fast food workers directly doing the work that creates the profit for a company deserves a fair compensation and portion of the profits they generate.

Fair compensation for a burger flipper is $10-$15 an hour. No more. And no, they do NOT deserve a portion of the profits. It's not their money that is going into buying the company, paying the bills, taking the risk, etc.

Investors are lazy parasites who do nothing but occasionally sit in a meeting and demand all the profits. They contribute little to nothing for the company when compared to the average worker.

They own the company. They get the profits. Workers get paid for the work. That's it. It's just that simple.

originally posted by: KimJongUn
Anyone who is willing to show up and work their hardest for 40 hours a week deserves a living wage and a reasonable portion of the profits they create through their labour.

Anyone who is willing to show up and work their hardest for 40 hours a week deserves pay that equals the job that they are doing. Nothing more.

Burger flippers are a dime a dozen. No special skills. No special schooling. No special effort.
Low end job equals low end pay.

Engineers, doctors, pharmacists etc are specially skilled and take special effort.
High end job equals high end pay.

That is FAIR. And it's also basic economics.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Workers are the ones who generate profits, they rely on their paychecks to provide for their families. It is in there interest to make sure the business succeeds and thrives just as much as their owner so they can have a stable career and provide for their families. There should be an equal balance between the workers and the ownership class, this is why unions exist.

originally posted by: KimJongUn
Workers are the ones who generate profits,

Workers work and get paid for that work. Period.

they rely on their paychecks to provide for their families.

Then go to school, get an education, and get a special skill so that you can have a good job.

There should be an equal balance between the workers and the ownership class,

Your statement makes no sense.
Workers are not entitled to other people's money.
They are entitled to a paycheck commensurate with the work they do.
That's it.
Flip a burger ... get $10-$15 an hour but you don't get to own the store for flipping burgers.
Be a mechanical engineer making the Space Station ... get $50 an hour.
Make better life choices to make more money.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It’s not “other people’s money” when its the profit they generate. Workers are more important than the owner. What happens when a business can’t find enough workers? They shut down.

a reply to: KimJongUn

off topic

Pay a burger flipper $40K a year which he/she doesn't deserve,
then you have to raise the wages of everyone else to be fair.
The 60K a year starting engineer will need to be started at $80K
to be fair. And so on and so forth.
Flipping burgers isn't a job to have a life career in.
It's unskilled labor and should be paid as such.

$8 a gallon for Gas .

Now it's gonna cost $15 for a Big-mac

Just one bad decision after another ....

These idiots really think just More MONEY more MONEY is the answer .

originally posted by: KimJongUn
a reply to: FlyersFan

It’s not “other people’s money” when its the profit they generate.

Yes, the profit is other peoples money. It's the OWNERS money. They own the store. They invested THEIR MONEY to open it and run it. They take all the financial risks. They run the store. The profit is THEIR MONEY. No one else's.

Workers are more important than the owner.

That's not true at all.

What happens when a business can’t find enough workers? They shut down.

They advertise for more burger flippers. Like I said .. unskilled labor ... a dime a dozen.

a reply to: FlyersFan
You’ve been brainwashed to hate your fellow worker, you act like giving your peers a raise would be a bad thing? Don’t you deserve it if you have “made the right life choices”? Inflation is caused by corporate greed, a desire to chase ever increasing profits, nothing more.

a reply to: KimJongUn

Walmart doesn't hire cashiers anymore due to automation, instead they hire shoppers at about $16/ph to do the order picking for online orders/pickup. that's more than double the federal minimum wage, and more than any states minimum.
the issue is (in fl at least) they dont hire full time (less benefits given out and less insurance) so the average employee while still making 16.00/ph only gets 25hrs per week, in florida this qualifies for food stamps.
So working part time at walmart means they cant afford to eat fast food anyway
Working part time in fast food at least gets you free meals

Also, the profit margin on any product is far larger in a grocer than restaurant.

a reply to: FlyersFan Workers take financial risk by hinging their livelihood on the continued success of the business, they rely on the continued paychecks to feed their families.

a reply to: datguy They hire plenty of staff besides cashiers, most of them rely on food stamps as i previously said, so you’re not refuting my point at all.

originally posted by: KimJongUn
you act like giving your peers a raise would be a bad thing?

Paying a burger flipper $40K a year IS a bad thing. They don't deserve it. Over pay the burger flipper and then everyone else has to get over paid as well in order to be fair. All those who went to college or trade school deserve to be paid for their efforts and their job skills, which means they deserve a hell of a lot more than what a burger flipper makes. And then when the burger flipper gets paid $40k a year, the cost of the food goes through the roof. And then the burger place goes out of business because no one will buy the $20 hamburger when it really should only cost $5.

And what you are whining about is unfair to everyone else who isn't a burger flipper.

Good but not enough. Cost of living is absolutely out of control. People will blame inflation but it is primarily due to greed & avarice from the monied class. Limit maximum incomes (total, not just salary) for C-suite parasites. They want more? Gotta pay the staff more

Profits should translate into better conditions for workers and lower prices for customers. We live in an age where "record profits" translates to job loss, wage stagnation, decreased quality and higher prices. Because then the "record profits" will be even higher for next quarter/year!!!!! Plus it is the only way to actually "grow" anything these days. That Dodge v Ford ruling back in 1919 really screwed the world over big time down the line.

Need to move from "growth at all costs" that benefits only the few to more sustainable business structures that benefit society, the people & the nation at large.

originally posted by: KimJongUn
a reply to: FlyersFan Workers take financial risk by hinging their livelihood on the continued success of the business, they rely on the continued paychecks to feed their families.

Workers are NOT taking financial risks simply by having a job that they get paid for.
Like I said, you don't understand basic economics.