Children on puberty blockers saw mental health change - new analysis

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
And those that attempt suicide and fail well that is a cry for help.

Yes, it is...

Some people want to help them with compassion, and therapy.

Others want to reinforce their delusions, and even assist them with chemical and physical castration.

a reply to: quintessentone

Children are old enough to be taught the beauty and miracle of a butterfly. They can be taught about loving each other. They can be taught to share and not try to be the boss. There are ways to teach children spirituality every single day. Multiple opportunities. Wow.

a reply to: Terpene

Where? You are confusing me with someone else? But when someone comes for me, I give it right back. Don't want some don't start none.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
And those that attempt suicide and fail well that is a cry for help.

Yes, it is...

Some people want to help them with compassion, and therapy.

Others want to reinforce their delusions, and even assist them with chemical and physical castration.

That's not true, first comes psychological treatment especially for young children and when they are diagnosed with gender dysphoria then and only then are puberty blockers started and only during puberty, not hormonal treatments, then through it all there is psychological assessments and therapy.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

Children are old enough to be taught the beauty and miracle of a butterfly. They can be taught about loving each other. They can be taught to share and not try to be the boss. There are ways to teach children spirituality every single day. Multiple opportunities. Wow.

Yeah wow...and if none of that takes to make the transkids want to embrace their gender at birth? Then what?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
That's not true, first comes psychological treatment especially for young children and when they are diagnosed with gender dysphoria then and only then are puberty blockers started

And therein lies the problem - reinforcing their delusion by helping them pretend they are in the wrong body.

and only during puberty,

Exactl;y - when they can do the most damage.

not hormonal treatments,

They are hormone treatments, in that they are blocking the body's naturally produyced hormones.

then through it all there is psychological assessments and therapy.

When all that should be happening is compassionate care, and helping them to understand that regardless of what they are feeling, they are in the right body because it is the only one they have and will ever have.

Some people want to help them with compassion, and therapy.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Yes, also wanted to add that these kids would be having mental health issues before recieving the puberty blockers. Feeling like you are the wrong gender because wreckless teachers, counselors and parents confused you would cause a young child to aquire some kind of mental and emotional illness. It's so obvious it's painful to watch this play out.
If you have been told as a child that you may be a boy or may be a girl then that seems to me to be the seed for developing mental health issues. I feel for these kids who's minds are being poisoned at such a young age, they are having their childhoods stolen from them.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Hecate666

Sure there is suicidal and there are cries for help. The problem with suicidal is you won't get to many chances to save that live.
If there are methods to save a live, why not allow others to use it?

The suicidal behavior comes from failure to lead as a parent.
Period
Stupid, emotion-based thinking of brainwashed, sex-obsessed perverted parents..
Ask google...wait nevermind, they changed the 70% post transition suicide rate stats to 70% suicide rates if they DON'T transition.
Clown world population control of others kids is what it looks like.

Idiots. And they knew dang well what they were doing. Who else would make sure people didn’t have time to report negative consequences!? Well, to hide the real results of the blockers.

You mean that everyone had no change in mental health 72 hours after beginning the drugs!? Awesome, time to pass it out!

Oh…you mean after waiting a FOURTH day or a day 100 or 150 people were beginning one by one to report numbers that make the treatment less safe every single day!?

Idiots!

And my prediction? Come five more years, we will be at around 50/50 territory!

Do you all know what they did with trans kids in the past before the advent of puberty suppression? Discounting the ones that were institutionalized, dosed with heavy psychotic drugs, given electroconvulsive shock therapy and subjected to aversion therapy, conversion therapy and various other degrees of mental and physical abuse, it was very rare and back then it was indeed experimental at the time but some of those kids they put straight on cross-sex hormones to see what would happen. Guess which cohort turned out better?

I know minors that were put on cross-sex HRT in the early 1970s who are now in their mid to late 60s and thriving. It should be noted in the past that most trans children did not make it until adulthood and why there are so few today from 50 and more years ago still around but they have always existed and always will and trust me, the younger generation will not stand for being erased like so many that came before.

Not talking about wannabes, transtrenders and kids treating trans like the new goth or emo but kids genuinely struggling and in distress with extreme gender dysphoria - would you want pre-teen male children in the very early stages of natal puberty to take estrogen so they develop female secondary sex characteristics or would it be better to block development of any secondary sex characteristics by putting a pause on puberty entirely or a few years while the child has more time to mature and make sure they and their parents and doctors are making the decision that’s going to be best for them?

The lack of compassion and empathy for kids that cannot be helped through any other means because people don’t like it or don’t/won’t understand it is alarming to me and all I can hope is that none of you ever have to deal with your own kid’s transness because it doesn't sound like it would go well for either of you?

What I don't get is, if gender identity is just a silly social construct, then why isn't the message: "It's fine to be a masculine woman or a feminine man! You are more than just your genitalia! Love who you are and love the skin you're in! *Sponsored by Nivea*" Actual gender dysphoria is rare as hell. This is clearly society trying to confuse children because society itself is confused.

What even IS a man or a woman? Just weiners and va jj's and chromosomes, bruh. I swear, if the focus was instead on simply getting rid of expected gender roles, then most of this confusion would go right away fast.

My dad cooks and I sew, and we both are male, and nothing bad happens! My female cousin loves to hunt and shoot guns, and it doesn't open up an armaggedon portal when she does it. I love the color purple and used to play with Barbies with my sisters, and clean fish with my dad. If humans could simply accept their internal gender as multifaceted and admit that you can have feminine psychology and be a man and vice versa, then this could end.
The ultimate BEST outcome from this would be for humanity to become psychologically both male and female, so that we could be more balanced psychologically and spiritually, and all understand each other better.

When a mother gets angry and violent to protect her child, is that masculine?
When a father gives his kid a hug and tells them everything is gonna be okay, is that feminine?
I'd argue that it's simply human, and we simply need to do away with the gender roles.
Gender AND sex are both purely biological, but gender ROLES aren't. That's the answer.

How about instead of permeant body altering procedures or drugs, we get them actual counseling not conveyor belt counseling that just validates the message. Then when they are old enough to decide for themselves they can make that choice and alter their bodies as they see fit.

Nobody is saying put them in the psych ward or drug them with anti-psychotics.

just dont permanently alter their bodies before they have reached a maturity level where they can chose for themselves.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
How about instead of permeant body altering procedures or drugs, we get them actual counseling not conveyor belt counseling that just validates the message. Then when they are old enough to decide for themselves they can make that choice and alter their bodies as they see fit.

Nobody is saying put them in the psych ward or drug them with anti-psychotics.

just dont permanently alter their bodies before they have reached a maturity level where they can chose for themselves.

So there are only two types of counselling for these kids; 1. validating the message, 2. not validating the message?

a reply to: quintessentone

jesus you are thick...

if they just nod their head and tell the child they are right thats not counseling, thats validating the message and many of those that detransition said that is what they got.

If they talk with them and ask questions, have back and forth and get the entire picture before suggesting a direction that is called counseling.

Yes. Very similar to phantom limb syndrome.
Many of these people are just falling victim to society telling them they have to like certain things and do certain things to be a particular gender, or if they like the color pink then they must be a girl (which really miffs one of my gay friends BTW).
And look, I'm all about liberty and freedom of choice. If an adult wants to do that and isn't gonna regret, then they should have the right to do whatever they want to their own bodies, but KIDS?

I do remember being a teenager. We weren't all particularly dumb, but we were definitely still figuring everything out. We didn't know who we were yet! Man, even at 16, I read Mein Kampf and hung out with a Neo Nazi to piss off my mom, and I was convinced vampires and werewolves were real. My best friend's gay brother was just starting to tell people he "might be bisexual".


At least give the kids a chance to grow up a bit and figure out who they are before you potentially affirm their "scene kid phase" with a permanent medical procedure.

Yeah, if people don't transition early then they might not look as passeable as adults. I GET THAT, however, if we as a society are choosing to be accepting of trans people, then why should that be an issue anymore?




a reply to: Irishhaf

a reply to: Terpene

Like I said, don't bring any, won't be any.

Pass me by pinche wey.

a reply to: TheValeyard

Yup wife's best friend suffers from gender dysphoria, asked him once if he wished he had gotten the options kids get now.

Without pause he said no, if I did I wouldnt have my daughters.

Thats the part that gets missed often, just because someone might be in the wrong body doesnt mean they wont get that urge to have minions.

That's beautiful and heartwarming. Here's a story from the other side of it:
My baby mama's sibling, who was like a brother to me, came out as male to female and started hormones, but is still married to his wife. Never got bottom surgery. His wife said, "We're staying together no matter what, but I did not sign up to lose that."
We were punks and real free spirits back in the day and in bands and partying a lot, so were were always pretty open about stuff. He had a gf and I was banging his sister, and we'd occasionally be in the same house and hear each other doing the deed and crack jokes about it, and I saw his unit once while passing through to the bathroom.
It was a fantastic piece of work! A solid 8 and a half incher. Some might say that him removing his schlong doesn't affect me, but I see it as not wanting a precious Rembrant destroyed. Hell, if you're gonna get rid of it, then let me have it!
I'll get a transplant! At least have it permanently preserved and kept as a statue in the foyer! But no, the doctors just would've tossed it in the rubbish bin like Philistines!


a reply to: Irishhaf