Judge Allows Georgia Ban On Gender-Affirming Care for Minors

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

That's a lie.

Children aren't banned from seeking counseling.

They just won't get targeted counseling aimed at making them think that they are of the opposite sex.

I guess as long as you don’t mention transgender care.

Can’t have government paying for that.

Stop focusing on transgender care and start focusing on the child.

The whole child.

You really just said that

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion
Hmm, let’s see…

Who do you think knows more about this? Republican legislators who have probably never spoken to a trans person of any age in their life who have been lobbied and bribed and are in the back pocket of extremist evangelical Christian white nationalist groups

OR

these leading professional medical associations who issued statements supporting health care for transgender youth and adults:

• American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
  
• American Academy of Dermatology
  
• American Academy of Pediatrics
  
• American Academy of Physician Assistants
  
• American Medical Association
  
• American Nurses Association
  
• American Association of Clinical Endocrinology
  
• American Association of Geriatric Psychiatry
  
• American College Health Association
  American Psychological Association
  
• American College of Nurse-Midwives
  
• American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
  
• American College of Physicians
  
• American Counseling Association
  
• American Heart Association
  
• American Medical Student Association
  
• American Psychiatric Association
  
• American Society of Plastic Surgeons
  
• American Society for Reproductive Medicine
  
• American Urological Association
  
• Endocrine Society
  
• Federation of Pediatric Organizations
  
• GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
  
• The Journal of the American Medical Association
  
• National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women’s Health
  
• National Association of Social Workers
  
• Pediatric Endocrine Society
  
• Texas Medical Association
  
• Texas Pediatric Society
  
• United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH)
  
• World Health Organization (WHO)
  
• World Medical Association
  
• World Professional Association for Transgender Health

I would much rather go with the doctors and scientists on this one.

When legislation attempts to regulate who can access gender-affirming care, they are inserting political battles into private and personal conversations between parents and their children, and patients and their doctors. These laws are not about safety — as the safety, efficacy and life-saving nature of gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary youth and adults is clear. Instead, in ignoring a wealth of scientific evidence and overwhelming support from the medical community, these legislators are attempting to enshrine discrimination into law. Rather than protecting kids, these laws are preventing parents and young people from making informed medical decisions, and doctors and health care providers from providing best-practice care to their patients.

On principle alone, "small government" and Libertarian types should be opposed to this government overreach and intrusion into private matters.

They may have issued statements but these are politically driven.

It's beyond belief you call this type of child abuse 'health care'. There is no gender affirming care. Only the word affirming is more than enough for anyone to understand there is something bogus going on. What exactly are you affirming? The delusions of some adults maybe, that are projected onto kids.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

That's a lie.

Children aren't banned from seeking counseling.

They just won't get targeted counseling aimed at making them think that they are of the opposite sex.

I guess as long as you don’t mention transgender care.

Can’t have government paying for that.

Stop focusing on transgender care and start focusing on the child.

The whole child.

You really just said that

In Georgia there would be no more 'gender affirming care'. Same in Alabama and a number of states. It's about time and this type of 'care' should have never been allowed in the first place but thanks to the radical left loonies and the trans activists together with the help by the Democrats we ended up in this situation.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
It’s strange some people would argue that you need to be a mature 18 before you tattoo your body, but you can have a doctor cut out your uterus, testicles, invert your penis, whatever. But shooting an earring gun through the ear lobe, nah uh! No way no how!

Show me one poster in here that supports surgery before age 18 (US).

No one should .

No they shouldn’t.

I’d say the only exception is just before age 18 — if the parents insurance will cover it.

IF they’ve had years of counseling.

Nope.
Sorry , try again .

I am not required to agree with you.

You don't have to , and I will never ask that of anyone.
However , this is all about money .
Children reach out for attention in various ways .
Most parents want to do the best for their children.
So , off to a doctor , instead of spending time talking to their children .
There are a lot of greedy doctors in the world .
And plastic surgeons.
Of course they are going to press the point .
They care not for what becomes of the child's mental health afterwards.

Is no such thing as affirmative care for children, plain and simple, you can put a lipstick on a pig but is still a pig, this is mutilation and chemical castration, let the adult chose to do that on themselves, but leave the children alone.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
It’s strange some people would argue that you need to be a mature 18 before you tattoo your body, but you can have a doctor cut out your uterus, testicles, invert your penis, whatever. But shooting an earring gun through the ear lobe, nah uh! No way no how!

Show me one poster in here that supports surgery before age 18 (US).

No one should .

No they shouldn’t.

I’d say the only exception is just before age 18 — if the parents insurance will cover it.

IF they’ve had years of counseling.

Nope.
Sorry , try again .

I am not required to agree with you.

You don't have to , and I will never ask that of anyone.
However , this is all about money .
Children reach out for attention in various ways .
Most parents want to do the best for their children.
So , off to a doctor , instead of spending time talking to their children .
There are a lot of greedy doctors in the world .
And plastic surgeons.
Of course they are going to press the point .
They care not for what becomes of the child's mental health afterwards.

If your transgender child went through the proper assessment and years of counseling — is determined to transition at 18 — and your personal medical insurance will cover it up to age 18 — you’d rather they go off on their own to, at best, a government clinic?

That’s caring for your child?

a reply to: Annee

If your kid really really wanted to be a unicorn and you wouldn't get a horn surgically implanted in their head, that makes you a bad parent?

Indulging fantasies is not good parenting. Literally 100,000 years and suddenly in the last 5 every kid has gender problems and you nutters jump to "well, the last 100,000 years was people not right in the head".

Some people do have actual mental problems, but indulging them is cruel and stupid. Guiding them down that path like these parents with multiple "non-binary" kids is straight abuse.

a reply to: Halfswede

Unicorns are a myth.

Transgender is not.

So, it’s all about you.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

You're actually ignoring science.

Sad.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

That's a lie.

Children aren't banned from seeking counseling.

They just won't get targeted counseling aimed at making them think that they are of the opposite sex.

I guess as long as you don’t mention transgender care.

Can’t have government paying for that.

Stop focusing on transgender care and start focusing on the child.

The whole child.

You really just said that

Yes.

You obviously have an issue with that.

a reply to: Annee

I think your heart is in the right place, but how does one tell which kids are truly "trans" and which are either experimenting or following a trend among their peers? This is why permanent alteration of their bodies is unacceptable.

I have commented on this topic before, but I will add a footnote: Many of my students take my courses all 4 years of high school, so I get to see them grow up. This year, a student of mine who has identified as a boy with "he" pronouns since her freshman year, has changed to "she" pronouns now in her junior year. She was not bullied or forced to change, it was a natural progression. Imagine if they had taken that choice away from her by pushing her to permanent "gender affirming care."

At this stage in their lives, I believe a "wait and see" approach is best.

a reply to: Annee
yes, transgender is a real disorder. Unicorns might be the next disorder if people indulge it like trans. Cat and dog kids is already a thing. Next will be the dog-bummers...already normalized to where people are openly filming themselves doing it. Incest porn apparently a big thing too. See the pattern?

You are part of a destructive process that will end in misery if you don't wake up and stop indulging every degenerate whim.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Halfswede

Unicorns are a myth.

Transgender is not.

So, it’s all about you.

People can't be unicorns anymore than they can be the opposite gender.

Nice try though.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

You're actually ignoring science.

Maybe you should take that up with the organizations I listed on the previous page while you're actually busy ignoring the voices and lived experiences of those affected by this anti-trans hysteria?

Sad indeed.

originally posted by: Dapaga
a reply to: Annee

I think your heart is in the right place, but how does one tell which kids are truly "trans" and which are either experimenting or following a trend among their peers?

We need more dedicated specialists in this specific field. Not less. And not laws against them.

Just like Autism — early recognition — counseling/observation ASAP.

It’s ingrained — part of who they are. They don’t choose it.

Seriously, we’re talking counseling, getting your feelings out, understanding who you are.

Not something you want to wait until they’re teens.

You noticed I did not mention any drugs?

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

You're actually ignoring science.

Maybe you should take that up with the organizations I listed on the previous page while you're actually busy ignoring the voices and lived experiences of those affected by this anti-trans hysteria?

Sad indeed.

I don't give a sh#t.

Science is objective, not subjective.

I don't give a good god damn what they "feel".

Science isn't about "feelz'.

originally posted by: Annee

Not something you want to wait until they’re teens.

Yeah, get them while they're young.

SICK!

I explained to you what it would do.

AND YOU DON'T GET IT!

GREAT!

They should be going through counseling till they are of age to make an informed decision, not pushed to do permanent harm for what turns out to be a temporary problem for most.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I don't give a sh#t.

Such compassion and humanity! /s

Science is objective, not subjective.

So the 30 or so professional organizations listed aren't scientific? Damn, you got some pretty high standards there bub!

I don't give a good god damn what they "feel".
Science isn't about "feelz'.

Well it seems ignoring actual professional standards based on decades of research to share your point of view sure brings up a lot of feelz for you so why should I or anyone give a good gd for your opinion?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

Not something you want to wait until they’re teens.

Yeah, get them while they're young.

SICK!

I explained to you what it would do.

AND YOU DON'T GET IT!

YOU explained to me

How thoughtful.