Judge Allows Georgia Ban On Gender-Affirming Care for Minors

a reply to: AlienBorg

As far as I’m concerned, you’re clueless to any real knowledge on this subject.

For whatever personal reason you are obsessed with this — I don’t know.

There are posters here that actually know what they’re talking about.

I choose to listen to them.

a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

a reply to: Annee

Annee, you remember thalidomide babies, right? Thalidomide inhibited bone growth in the extremities at a certain developmental stage.

If hormone therapy was reversable, then all that needed for the thalidomide babies was to give them the growth hormones previously blocked by thalidomide.

But once past a developmental stage there is no going back.

Ever.

Same with hormone therapies.

It forever changes the primary sex characteristics of the individual. You can promote some secondary sexual characteristics with hormone therapies, but you can't change these puberty blockers once they've been administered.

You are condemning to life, a child, based on the whims of the parents or teachers who subject children to these treatments.

a reply to: Annee

And neither the mutilation of the male and female organs, before the child is old enough to decide without the help of enablers and pushers.

It is a mental disorder going on and the bigger danger to our children is the pusher of trans ideology.

When the child become and adult, he can make their own decisions.

No you Annie.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

That's a lie.

Children aren't banned from seeking counseling.

They just won't get targeted counseling aimed at making them think that they are of the opposite sex.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Annee

Annee, you remember thalidomide babies, right? Thalidomide inhibited bone growth in the extremities at a certain developmental stage.

I had a neighbor/playmate that was a Thalidomide child.

You act like transgender is something new and treatment just came out of some back alley.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Annee

Annee, you remember thalidomide babies, right? Thalidomide inhibited bone growth in the extremities at a certain developmental stage.

I had a neighbor/playmate that was a Thalidomide child.

You act like transgender is something new and treatment just came out of some back alley.

No.

I'm trying to explain science to a person who isn't a scientist.

I didn't make it complicated.

Once you go past a developmental stage, you cannot ever go back.

Ever.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

That's a lie.

Children aren't banned from seeking counseling.

They just won't get targeted counseling aimed at making them think that they are of the opposite sex.

I guess as long as you don’t mention transgender care.

Can’t have government paying for that.

a reply to: Annee

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

That's a lie.

Children aren't banned from seeking counseling.

They just won't get targeted counseling aimed at making them think that they are of the opposite sex.

I guess as long as you don’t mention transgender care.

Can’t have government paying for that.

Stop focusing on transgender care and start focusing on the child.

The whole child.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: AlienBorg

As far as I’m concerned, you’re clueless to any real knowledge on this subject.

For whatever personal reason you are obsessed with this — I don’t know.

There are posters here that actually know what they’re talking about.

I choose to listen to them.

I know you find these threads interesting but when you talk about gender brains and hormones prescribed to confused or mentally ill kids (and adults) you need to think about who is clueless and who isn't.

It's this type of abuse against kids that many states have banned. I wonder when the rest of the states will do the right thing.

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: tanstaafl

unfortunately in this case there is a definitive difference.
The study linked refers to actual physical "difference" in individual MRI's of over 800 people, these differences do not specifically indicate "disorder"

Yes, they do...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

Children can't consent to irreversible changes to their bodies.

That's the beginning and end of it.

There’s always Cancer, chemo, amputation for various reasons, etc.

For trans kids — not even close to that much invasion of their body.

#1 — counseling. Oh wait, no insurance for that either.

ALL care for trans kids banned.

There are amputations for other valid medical reasons. But mutilations for healthy kids in the name of a bogus ideology is something that the state must have to ban by definition.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AlienBorg

I'm sorry the judge didn't block the irreversible hormone therapy.

It was a temporary block, and she did in fact lift it herself, so that ban is now enforceable too.

Only under short term use. Puberty blockers stop elements of puberty that are permanent or would require intensive surgeries or therapies to address.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AlienBorg

I'm sorry the judge didn't block the irreversible hormone therapy.

It was a temporary block, and she did in fact lift it herself, so that ban is now enforceable too.

Only under short term use. Puberty blockers stop elements of puberty that are permanent or would require intensive surgeries or therapies to address.

NO!

You cannot reverse it once the child is past a developmental stage.

If you could reverse hormone therapy, we'd have no midgets or little people (whatever) because we'd just give them growth hormones.

But once past that specific developmental stage, it won't work.

a reply to: Annee

Transgender persons differed significantly from cisgender persons with respect to (sub)cortical brain volumes and surface area, but not cortical thickness. Contrasting the 4 groups (TM, TW, CM, and CW), we observed a variety of patterns that not only depended on the direction of gender identity (towards male or towards female) but also on the brain measure as well as the brain region examined.

With that in mind, wouldn't it be prudent to do brain scans on the ever-growing following this fad is attracting to see which ones actually g=fit the criteria before whacking off appendages?

If it's taboo to parents, it's a guarantee kids are going to rebel and go for it behind their parents backs; that's how the adolescent brain works.

I'm guessing you've never had children....

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AlienBorg

I'm sorry the judge didn't block the irreversible hormone therapy.

It was a temporary block, and she did in fact lift it herself, so that ban is now enforceable too.

Only under short term use. Puberty blockers stop elements of puberty that are permanent or would require intensive surgeries or therapies to address.

NO!

You cannot reverse it once the child is past a developmental stage.

If you could reverse hormone therapy, we'd have no midgets or little people (whatever) because we'd just give them growth hormones.

But once past that specific developmental stage, it won't work.

Thanks, DB; I obviously didn't look at enough sites and stand corrected.

Are puberty blockers reversible? The NHS no longer says so.

There is a window for pubertal development and we don’t know the long-term effects if this window is missed.

Important to note for any parent who truly gives a sh!t:

Would parents say yes to puberty blockers if they knew that trials on sheep suggest that blockers impair brain development in significant areas, which is not reversed if blockers are discontinued? We know there is a window of development in puberty which, if missed, cannot be regained at a later stage.

[www.transgendertrend.com...]

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: tanstaafl
Only under short term use. Puberty blockers stop elements of puberty that are permanent or would require intensive surgeries or therapies to address.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, especially with respect to what I said?

Hmm, let’s see…

Who do you think knows more about this? Republican legislators who have probably never spoken to a trans person of any age in their life who have been lobbied and bribed and are in the back pocket of extremist evangelical Christian white nationalist groups

OR

these leading professional medical associations who issued statements supporting health care for transgender youth and adults:

• American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
  
• American Academy of Dermatology
  
• American Academy of Pediatrics
  
• American Academy of Physician Assistants
  
• American Medical Association
  
• American Nurses Association
  
• American Association of Clinical Endocrinology
  
• American Association of Geriatric Psychiatry
  
• American College Health Association
  American Psychological Association
  
• American College of Nurse-Midwives
  
• American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
  
• American College of Physicians
  
• American Counseling Association
  
• American Heart Association
  
• American Medical Student Association
  
• American Psychiatric Association
  
• American Society of Plastic Surgeons
  
• American Society for Reproductive Medicine
  
• American Urological Association
  
• Endocrine Society
  
• Federation of Pediatric Organizations
  
• GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
  
• The Journal of the American Medical Association
  
• National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women’s Health
  
• National Association of Social Workers
  
• Pediatric Endocrine Society
  
• Texas Medical Association
  
• Texas Pediatric Society
  
• United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH)
  
• World Health Organization (WHO)
  
• World Medical Association
  
• World Professional Association for Transgender Health

I would much rather go with the doctors and scientists on this one.

When legislation attempts to regulate who can access gender-affirming care, they are inserting political battles into private and personal conversations between parents and their children, and patients and their doctors. These laws are not about safety — as the safety, efficacy and life-saving nature of gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary youth and adults is clear. Instead, in ignoring a wealth of scientific evidence and overwhelming support from the medical community, these legislators are attempting to enshrine discrimination into law. Rather than protecting kids, these laws are preventing parents and young people from making informed medical decisions, and doctors and health care providers from providing best-practice care to their patients.

On principle alone, "small government" and Libertarian types should be opposed to this government overreach and intrusion into private matters.