Breaking, Supreme Court shuts down Race Based Admission

a reply to: JAGStorm

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The supporters went on to argue that doing away with the policy would also weaken the military’s pool of eligible college-trained recruits.

If this isn't the worst argument I've ever heard for AA I don't know what is......
wowzers..

Wonder if they will write in something to keep people from suing because they didn't get in , "I'm sorry but you have great qualification's but we have quotas to meet"

Glad to see reverse racism being addressed !

I wonder if we can challenge Justice Brown. We all know that she is an AA appointment to the court. Biden advertised the job as going to an African American woman. That should be re-examined in light of this legal interpretation!

We would at least rid ourselves of a justice either too stupid to know what a woman is or too political to say what a woman is. Either way, we will come out ahead.

I wonder if her performance, since on the bench as observed by others also on the bench, may have led to this decision against AA? Something like 'oh hell no! This aint working, we need to FIX this!'

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Edumakated

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Why white students are 250% more likely to graduate than Black students at public universities

This article skirts around the issue, but basically Black and brown student often don’t have the same support at home as their White/Asian counterparts do. I’m not just talking about money either.

Wanting to gain knowledge, listening to the teacher, understanding whilst at scool, doesn't need extra support. It's free and there is a lot of support at school for anyone.
I say rhat, because I read and heard so often about kids, mostly white, who have a terrible home life, including s abuse or physical abuse, even murderous parents, who escape by doing good at school.

If you constantly need support or extra help, maybe learning isn't for you.
Maybe you'd be better off doing an aporenticeship, learning a trade.
If you can't hack that, then maybe, just maybe you are just not interested or capable.
That should never mean that others have to lower their standards or not get chosen to enter University.

It also teaches (wrongly), that anyone should get into higher education, regardless of capability.
Having a degree means nothing if everybody gets one.
This is so unfair to those who crave knowlede or worked hard and have a goal.
Not only that, but good jobs will be run by people who just want the prestige, but cannot actually advance us.


We have to stop pretending that all cultures are equal.
Or all people. It's a fallacy.
Therefore entry exams should be the same for everyone and if you pass...good for you. If you don't, you don't and should consider a different, more hands on career.

Don't care about your hue. Who cares? Racists are obsessed with it. Whites are bad, Asians are too clever, blacks are so oppressed they get a free degree just because of their skin colour...? WT actual F?

a reply to: Hecate666

It also teaches (wrongly), that anyone should get into higher education, regardless of capability.
Having a degree means nothing if everybody gets one.

:cheer s::che ers::c heers:

Yes look at ALL the countries ahead of the US and see if they just let any ol' body in college, NOPE.

a reply to: JAGStorm

The six justices in the majority today actually allowed an exception for military academies. The thought being that it could be bad for morale if the command structure does not accurately reflect the diversity of the grunts that are actually going out and getting killed.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: JAGStorm

we are in a weird spot. It's "raycist" to say that Asian kids are smart. That's a stereotype. I'm sure there are some lazy, unintelligent Asian kids, but Stereotypes exist for a reason. Much like saying Black kids are generally better at sports. That's raycist, but largely true. And the Stereotype exists for a reason on that as well.

But we are so programmed to omit some Herebasic facts for fear of being called....you guessed it. Raycist.

This ruling was a step in the right direction, and the ideas behind it should transcend this one topic. it's a pivotal teaching moment for all of us, if we bother to understand why.

Is it?

To top the fear, a National Study of College Experience led by Espenshade and Radford (2009) showed that a student who self-identifies as Asian will need 140 SAT points higher than whites, 320 SAT points higher than Hispanics, and 450 SAT points higher than African Americans.

knowing that this ruling is supposed to remove the "race" aspect of the admissions process, I'll stick with "yes".

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Edumakated

A kid raised in housing projects may have a better shot than a kid whose parents are both doctors.

AND this is why we are failing as a nation.

I would rather have a doctor that has a history of doctors in the family and knows what it takes to succeed, than someone that has a failure as parents.


But the reality is nobody should be picked based on their parents or where they live. Maybe how colleges have picked is all wrong and that is why the US ranks 14 in the world for higher learning!!!!


www.oecd.org...

Given your OP, this contradicts it. Are we supposed to move toward the person we want, is the person best suited for the job? If I'm getting on a plane, I want the best pilot available, not the most diverse. And I don't give a rats ass where he grew up, or who his/her parents are.

originally posted by: Turquosie
Does this means it will be 90% asians in top-tier schools now?

Only if Asians are smater.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Turquosie
Does this means it will be 90% asians in top-tier schools now?

No it will mean students that should be there will be there and it won't be based on their skin color period.

Asians are the smartest, in general, compared to other races. I'm white btw Ridiculous people can't say this fact.

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Turquosie
Does this means it will be 90% asians in top-tier schools now?

No it will mean students that should be there will be there and it won't be based on their skin color period.

Asians are the smartest, in general, compared to other races. I'm white btw

Ridiculous people can't say this fact.

Depends on how you define smart....

Some of the dumbest mofos I've met aced their SATs. Complete lack of common sense and creativity.

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Turquosie
Does this means it will be 90% asians in top-tier schools now?

No it will mean students that should be there will be there and it won't be based on their skin color period.

Asians are the smartest, in general, compared to other races. I'm white btw

Ridiculous people can't say this fact.

not sure if smartest is the correct word "Work the hardest might be better' Asian parents are the driving factor .

Simple question:

If you have 1000 admissions spots but 10,000 applicants. 8000 of those applicants have scored near perfect SATs and have near perfect GPAs.

How do you choose the 1000 admits? Even if you just ranked on GPA and test scores, you still have like 5000 applications with same scores/GPA. How do you then pick the 1000 admits?

originally posted by: Edumakated
Simple question:

If you have 1000 admissions spots but 10,000 applicants. 8000 of those applicants have scored near perfect SATs and have near perfect GPAs.

How do you choose the 1000 admits? Even if you just ranked on GPA and test scores, you still have like 5000 applications with same scores/GPA. How do you then pick the 1000 admits?

I don't see how this ruling solves this problem. The same problem exists, its just some people's perception that minorities aren't in that top 5000 (they are) and that they are going to grab random unqualified minorities (they aren't).

This ruling changes nothing, as minorites can still demonstrate how their race has impacted their lives and gain admittance.

I can't reconcile people's desire for a system based on merit whilst legacy admission goes unmentioned.

a reply to: network dude

Given your OP, this contradicts it. Are we supposed to move toward the person we want, is the person best suited for the job? If I'm getting on a plane, I want the best pilot available, not the most diverse. And I don't give a rats ass where he grew up, or who his/her parents are.

We said the same thing, I was responding to Edumacated.

I also don’t care what you look like, where you came from, if you are capable and good, that is good enough for me.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Simple question:

If you have 1000 admissions spots but 10,000 applicants. 8000 of those applicants have scored near perfect SATs and have near perfect GPAs.

How do you choose the 1000 admits? Even if you just ranked on GPA and test scores, you still have like 5000 applications with same scores/GPA. How do you then pick the 1000 admits?

LIKE you said before,
Extracurriculars, sports, volunteer work, activities outside of school.

Obviously those things are weighted. Grades/extracurriculars etc.
What will NOT be included now, and should have never been included is the color of your skin.

a reply to: ASrubWhoDiedAgain

I don't see how this ruling solves this problem. The same problem exists, its just some people's perception that minorities aren't in that top 5000 (they are) and that they are going to grab random unqualified minorities (they aren't). This ruling changes nothing, as minorites can still demonstrate how their race has impacted their lives and gain admittance. I can't reconcile people's desire for a system based on merit whilst legacy admission goes unmentioned.

If it changes nothing, then nobody should have a problem with it, RIGHT????

Also we aren’t talking about legacy based admission because the OP is talking about Race based admissions.
There was a topic a while back on legacy based admission when the scandles of the Hollywood elite and their kids grabbed headlines.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Edumakated
Simple question:

If you have 1000 admissions spots but 10,000 applicants. 8000 of those applicants have scored near perfect SATs and have near perfect GPAs.

How do you choose the 1000 admits? Even if you just ranked on GPA and test scores, you still have like 5000 applications with same scores/GPA. How do you then pick the 1000 admits?

LIKE you said before,
Extracurriculars, sports, volunteer work, activities outside of school.

Obviously those things are weighted. Grades/extracurriculars etc.
What will NOT be included now, and should have never been included is the color of your skin.

The issue is you are not being consistent.

So you are ok with a someone who plays sports getting accepted with say a lower test score? You just don't want other minorities to have a lower test score?

So you don't question your doctor's qualifications if he played lacrosse and got accepted.... but you question your doctors qualifications if they are black?

Either you want schools to be able to develop the class they see fit or you don't and want them to select admits based on test scores alone.

a reply to: Edumakated

The issue is you are not being consistent. So you are ok with a someone who plays sports getting accepted with say a lower test score? You just don't want other minorities to have a lower test score? So you don't question your doctor's qualifications if he played lacrosse and got accepted.... but you question your doctors qualifications if they are black? Either you want schools to be able to develop the class they see fit or you don't and want them to select admits based on test scores alone.

No no no, don’t put words in my mouth because that is absolutely NOT what I said.

But YOU did say there are thousands and thousands of qualified students.
So go down the list, Straight A’s, plays sports, volunteers, is an Eagle Scout, you are in.
Straight A’s, plays sports, plays the violin, you are in. Yada yada. There is NO need to divide anyone by skin color.


Also I don’t give a rats azz what color my doctor is as long as they are qualified. I had a black doctor save my life, and I had a black doctor that was the worst doctor I ever had. (She left the practice)

i look at it this way, white male Americans are racist and sexist by default so all affirmative action did was make them look down on women and blacks, to justify their bigoted beliefs and say stuff like 'oh they only got that because they are _' which i see all the time, maybe now they might take qualified people more seriously now that this is gone and cast aside some of their bigotry and stop trying to sabotage them for what they see as unfair privilege.