Breaking, Supreme Court shuts down Race Based Admission

About freaking time!

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June 29 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday struck down race-conscious student admissions programs currently used at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina in a sharp setback to affirmative action policies often used increase the number of Black, Hispanic and other underrepresented minority groups on campuses.

You know where the US went wrong, when we wanted to be “fair”
Well guess what, the world isn’t fair. It’s dog eat dog, we need the toughest, the brightest, the ones that will work hardest, the ones that will sacrifice.

What we don’t need
Admission based on skin color
Admission because how you were raised
Admission because you come from a broken family

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This guy sums it up perfectly! Asians have been discriminated against for years because of this. We have been held to the HIGHEST standard unfairly, while others are ushered in.
Yet discrimination against Asians has been perfectly OK..

When my daughter was signing up for college there were scholarships for Asians, but they even separated them.
They were for non Korean/Japanese/Chinese Asian. Yes, they were for the traditionally darker skinned Asians.
I couldn’t believe my eyes. My daughter applied anyways and got it.

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Will wonders never cease... thanks for a tiny fragment of good news in this ocean of otherwise dismaying chaos...

originally posted by: tanstaafl
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Will wonders never cease... thanks for a tiny fragment of good news in this ocean of otherwise dismaying chaos...

This is good news. It shows that it IS wrong to discriminate even though there are those that will try every way to justify it.

If you don’t want to be judged based on your skin color, don’t judge others!

originally posted by: JAGStorm
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This guy sums it up perfectly! Asians have been discriminated against for years because of this. We have been held to the HIGHEST standard unfairly, while others are ushered in.
Yet discrimination against Asians has been perfectly OK..

When my daughter was signing up for college there were scholarships for Asians, but they even separated them.
They were for non Korean/Japanese/Chinese Asian. Yes, they were for the traditionally darker skinned Asians.
I couldn’t believe my eyes. My daughter applied anyways and got it.

My blonde hair, blue-eyed daughter gets an annual ($1k) Hispanic scholarship, thanks to my heritage 🙄.

I see both sides of this issue.

I think the elite schools will move to continue using race in some degree to meet their diversity desires. My guess is that they will stop requiring or make optional standardized tests. Eliminating standardized tests removes any quantitative proxy to show one group typically scores higher than another group and thus cannot claim that they are being discriminated against in admissions because some received admissions with a lower score.

At that point, admissions will be pretty random and hard to determine beyond known "social cues" as to an applicant's qualifications.

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My blonde hair, blue-eyed daughter gets an annual ($1k) Hispanic scholarship, thanks to my heritage 🙄.

Same with my daughter she is 1/4 Asian, but she presents as white, very tall, very pale, light eyes, sometimes blonde 🤣
She also received that scholarship I mentioned above.
I do think scholarships are different, some are private. Heck if I wanted to only give scholarships to people with blue hair I could. School admission is a different can of worms.

Now I will dare to ask the question. Will there be riots?

originally posted by: Edumakated
I see both sides of this issue.

I think the elite schools will move to continue using race in some degree to meet their diversity desires. My guess is that they will stop requiring or make optional standardized tests. Eliminating standardized tests removes any quantitative proxy to show one group typically scores higher than another group and thus cannot claim that they are being discriminated against in admissions because some received admissions with a lower score.

At that point, admissions will be pretty random and hard to determine beyond known "social cues" as to an applicant's qualifications.

They have to go by something. If not tests then grades and the results will be the same.
Asian Americans will be at the forefront.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Now I will dare to ask the question. Will there be riots?

If there are I ask this question.

Do you not believe you can get into college based on your own merit?
Do you think people should be categorized just based on skin color?

What are you rioting for?

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Another nail in the black communities coffin. Some may see this as a way to motivate certain demographics to do better to achieve their success.

I'm afraid this will have the opposite affect as it'll be interpreted as a targeted, racist revocation by those that lean on race daily to justify, or nullify, everything in their lives.

Add to that, folks with a poorly educated foundation and you get people who have no filter or restraint and then bad stuff starts to happen..

We'll see if this plays out the way I think it will, IMO.

(Either way, this move doesn't bode well for those that really work hard and try to overcome their hurdles/barriers, and just need that extra support to climb the next rung. You shouldn't receive it just because, you should receive it because.) 🤷🏻

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: butcherguy
Now I will dare to ask the question. Will there be riots?

If there are I ask this question.

Do you not believe you can get into college based on your own merit?
Do you think people should be categorized just based on skin color?

What are you rioting for?

All are good and the right ones to ask.

I think the answer they would give would relate to 600 years of slavery, or whatever.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Edumakated
I see both sides of this issue.

I think the elite schools will move to continue using race in some degree to meet their diversity desires. My guess is that they will stop requiring or make optional standardized tests. Eliminating standardized tests removes any quantitative proxy to show one group typically scores higher than another group and thus cannot claim that they are being discriminated against in admissions because some received admissions with a lower score.

At that point, admissions will be pretty random and hard to determine beyond known "social cues" as to an applicant's qualifications.

They have to go by something. If not tests then grades and the results will be the same.
Asian Americans will be at the forefront.

Not really... Almost all the admits to these elite schools have high GPAs even if their standardized test scores aren't as high. Then you also have to factor in the typical grade inflation that occurs nowadays.

There will be even more emphasis on extracurriculars, high school reputation, income, geography, etc. The admissions process will be even more opaque.

I think many of the opponents of affirmative action at elite schools are making simplistic arguments and lack understanding of the nuances of admissions to schools in the elite tier. They will also find that with affirmative action gone, their chances of admission will not be any better than before most likely. If anything, it will probably be harder especially if they move from standardized tests.

These schools have way more qualified applicants than they have spots. They probably have 10 qualified applicants for every one admit. The process has always been kind of random.

I went to an elite business school. We were told straight up that GMAT scores were not the end all be all. They could fill the entire class with people who scored perfect or near perfect but that was not what they were looking for in admissions. The qualitative things were far more important. In addition, they also were looking for diversity of experience.

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I know we’ve discussed this topic before and if what you are saying is true there would be NO need for affirmative action.

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All are good and the right ones to ask. I think the answer they would give would relate to 600 years of slavery, or whatever.

My family was literally brought over as slaves (Irish)

Good.

If anything institutions employing such openly racist policies should be charged for Civil Rights violations.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
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All are good and the right ones to ask. I think the answer they would give would relate to 600 years of slavery, or whatever.

My family was literally brought over as slaves (Irish)

I am pretty sure that doesn’t matter. It is about skin color.
Definitely not about character.

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Good. About darn time. I heard there won't be a place to check your race on the application. I hope that is true.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Edumakated

I know we’ve discussed this topic before and if what you are saying is true there would be NO need for affirmative action.

No, I think you misunderstand what affirmative action is and was trying to do at these schools.

What I think people fail to understand is that these schools are glorified social clubs. Gaining admission is often the hardest part. The schools are attempting to build a class of students that they believe creates the best learning environment for all students.

As a result, admissions cannot and has never been binary where you just simply look at test scores and GPA. Again, statistically, they cannot do that because even if they only looked at test scores and GPA, they don't have enough spots for all qualified applicants. So they have to devise ways to look at OTHER THINGS to figure out who they want to admit.

So they look at the stuff like extracurriculars, geography, legacy, race, and other non-academic factors. For example, a kid from Iowa probably has a better shot at admissions to Harvard than a kid from Connecticut. A kid raised in housing projects may have a better shot than a kid whose parents are both doctors. It just depends and test scores are going to vary based on what kind of class diversity the school is looking for.

I recall when I got my MBA, if you were coming from a "feeder industry" like investment banking or management consulting, you often needed better test scores and some other factors because quite frankly, we were a dime a dozen in terms of applicants. However, a teacher, fireman, professional athlete, or someone with a non-traditional business background may find themselves gaining admission easier because the schools are looking for a different perspective.

Not to be insulting, but Asians raised by a tiger mom with perfect test scores are a dime a dozen. It comes down to what else is there? What extracurriculars? Leadership? An Asian that says they may want to go into a creative field may have a better shot than say an Asian who says they want to go to medical school.

Personally, I don't think things will change dramatically at these schools. It is what it is...

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Not to be insulting, but Asians raised by a tiger mom with perfect test scores are a dime a dozen. It comes down to what else is there?

That is insulting and racist. I won’t stoop to that level and return the insult but I will say this.
My tiger mom said let them talk about you because you’ll be their boss someday.

And she was right……

Also…

www.insidehighered.com...

Extracurricular Activities and College Admissions A review finds that white, Asian and wealthier students record more activities in applications.

And this

The study found that white, Asian American, private school and more affluent students not only reported more activities, but they also reported more top leadership roles and more activities with associated honors, distinctions and awards.

And this

Inequality was especially pronounced in athletics, with private school students being 36 percent more likely to list involvement in sports.

So you ask, what more is there, looks like just about everything.