Breaking, Supreme Court shuts down Race Based Admission

I keep seeing a lot about "Asians".
What makes them different?

Parenting and values.
Also, very low "victim mentality", which is caused by parenting, values and indoctrination in the government run school system.
If we work on pushing:
1) The two parent home, instead of incentivising single motherhood.
2) Stop indoctrinating kids to believe they are victims.
3) Teach children morals, values and DRIVE.
You would see a HUGE turnaround in the overall state of equality.
As I said earlier, you can not force equity and expect equality.
Forced equity only causes more harm, more racism and more division.

a reply to: JAGStorm

idk about that. my parents were divorced and both sort of active in my life, pushed me to college and i crashed and burned hard

then again I also went to school during the recession, so...

It's a step in the right direction. It might even eliminate the need for the special treatment the unqualified students get in school. My wife is working on her masters and step daughter was in college a few years ago. My wife is doing online classes so she calls me over to look at discussion posts, etc. What I saw was appalling. Let's say writing at maybe a 3rd grade level at best, no understanding of grammar, spelling horrendous yet the same people show up for the next class so they obviously passed. And the wife tutored a student that was about to get her bachelor's degree. Same thing, couldn't write an intelligible paragraph yet aced her final paper in her final class. Also, they look the other way on citations, etc. Step daughter situation was even more interesting. She was dumb enough to give another student a copy of her final paper in the class because the student said she wasn't getting it and reading it might help her out. Right away I told her she was an idiot and nothing good could come of it. So a week later she turns her paper in and the other student turned it in before her and claimed it was hers. So the kid was able to prove it was her paper. When I went to school plagiarism was pretty much instant expulsion. What the thieving student got was an extra 2 weeks to write her own paper. Maybe all this nonsense of doing everything they can to make sure students of a certain race pass will go away if they aren't admitted by quota instead of merit. Huge coincidence that all of these bad students were the same race.

So, a black woman, who is appointed to the highest court in the United States, said the following.

“race blindness … will delay the day that every American has an equal opportunity to thrive, regardless of race.”

Now, the above is exactly why she should NOT be on the SCOTUS. She has attained what she is stating she is fighting for. A hypocrite. A hypocrite should never hold the ability to judge others.

How much more of an equal opportunity is needed if the person complaining....is black and holds that seat of power.

I equate this to trans men in female sports. A person can work their whole life and if they are white they can be pushed aside but if they are black they should be given the opportunity if they do not deserve it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Degradation33


It's funny that everyone seems to be for quotas except the NBA and NFL.

or hooters and onlyfans

a reply to: Turquosie

I have no problem with that. If anyone else does, they can work as hard as many of the Asian students do and get there too.

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: JAGStorm

Another nail in the black communities coffin. Some may see this as a way to motivate certain demographics to do better to achieve their success.

I'm afraid this will have the opposite affect as it'll be interpreted as a targeted, racist revocation by those that lean on race daily to justify, or nullify, everything in their lives.

Add to that, folks with a poorly educated foundation and you get people who have no filter or restraint and then bad stuff starts to happen..

We'll see if this plays out the way I think it will, IMO.

(Either way, this move doesn't bode well for those that really work hard and try to overcome their hurdles/barriers, and just need that extra support to climb the next rung. You shouldn't receive it just because, you should receive it because.) 🤷🏻

quotas have been around for decades. if they worked wouldn't the race problems be solved by now?

in many ways African America is WORSE off now than fifty years ago. single parent families, young males using drugs and joining criminal gangs, and young women having out-of-wedlock children and depending on the taxpayer to support them.
time to stop blaming white people and recognize a dysfunctional sub-culture.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I had to chuckle seeing all the tech companies that protest the ruling saying they need diversity!

So diversity over talent. Everyone wins a trophy and we need diversity, because it's fair!

And now we are hearing about this thing called 'racial blindness' and how baaaaad it is.

Does it no longer occur to people that hard work is going to help you leverage the talents you were born with to get you ahead in life and that will bring its own diversity to the table?

We need a sea change in attitude about what to reward, and hard work in academics should be how you earn it. Nothing else. Equal starting and finish line.

I'm having a champagne tonight to see the end of the effects of a bad decision back in the day.

Dude. There are kids completing high school who can’t spell or read properly.

a reply to: Degradation33

a reply to: ElGoobero

I believe many of the problems started with the infamous President Johnson. LBJ and his war on poverty that created the dumbass welfare system that required the father leave the family.

It destroyed the poor family. Families of all races. And with abortion and the pill, males first thought when some gal he was fooling with comes up pregnant is, wait, how do I know it's mine, and it's your fault you didn't take the pill and now you need to get an abortion.... I'm going downtown. And that was it. Males went from being admired when they could raise a family, to now being admired when they could have all the great cars and kicks and tats and bikes, the best reef and blow, and every other toy imaginable, while Uncle Sugar pays for the kids and mom is married to the state.

This is how it happened.

War on poverty. LBJ said 'we will keep them ******* voting democrat forever when he signed it (or so history, like the cherry tree, claims he said)

The intact family should have been supported from the beginning. Why not. Social costs would have been FAR less.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: JAGStorm

I had to chuckle seeing all the tech companies that protest the ruling saying they need diversity!

So diversity over talent. Everyone wins a trophy and we need diversity, because it's fair!

President Biden is so incompetent he wanted to use an Affirmative Action clause to put an unqualified African American in charge of keeping Americans safe while flying the nation's airlines.

Phil Washington was quickly shot down by the Senate: www.commerce.senate.gov...

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: JAGStorm

Uh, you have to realize that as far as the actual Colleges and Universities, this means nothing. They will find and engineer a work around. They always have, they always will.

That is true, but there is already backlash. There are huge swaths of people that are rethinking college all together.
We’ll see how that pans out.

It should pan out just fine for the vast majority. Virtually everything is available online for free or very low cost, you just have to have the desire to learn.

I would never choose to go to college today at the insane prices they charge.

a reply to: proximo

Totally depends on what occupation you desire. You need to diploma for many. And advanced diplomas for many as well.

Placement will still be done based on race but they are going to call it something else.

They will do things like take high school ranking. Since high schools still tend to be largely segregated - this will give added points. There will be extra points given from going to school in certain demographic areas.

I will say someone who comes from a very disadvantaged background should be given extra consideration. It's much harder to rank higher without expensive SAT prep schools and without a rich parent to payoff someone to say you are on a sports team.

a reply to: Daughter2

as they say there are many way to skin.. or in other words they'll get the same outcome.. we see this clearly in the uk as the rich have constantly moved the deck chairs for centuries to exclude the poor from higher education.. and they always have their favoured groups, groups the use until they need to throw them under a bus to maintain their status quo..

sadly that was something they exported to the USA hence being able to track all the presidents to the same rich houses.. its the same system masked as a meritocracy..

a reply to: Dalamax

Yeah, that is all thanks to this little program called "No kid left behind".

And yet, people wonder why the younger generations are getting dumber and dumber with each passing second.

It may be interesting to see how students from states changing wording in history books, and library books, or not teaching certain things so they are not "uncomfortable", along with eliminating AP classes will fare in the future on admissions tests and their GPA for college.

Seems like they will be at a disadvantage over their peers and people of color who will learn their ancestors history regardless of school and those from other states that do learn accurate history and can take AP classes.

Elitist colleges and the mirage:

“There are hierarchies of difference based on your accent and what school you went to before you came here. It’s easy to tell those who are from upper- or middle-class, privileged backgrounds, and those who are trying to fit in.”

A white, working-class student told us how difficult it was to compete with this “unspoken” advantage: “It’s their entitlement that they’ve grown up with. It’s part of their persona. It’s not just about getting a place here – it bleeds into every aspect of their lives.”

Even the privileged students knew the system was rigged. “I went to a school that was predominantly white and middle class, full of students just like me,” one told us. “We all came from quite wealthy backgrounds. I don’t think many of us were exceptionally bright, but we had the correct training to get us here. We knew what to say, how to say it, and what was expected of us.”

While working-class students told us of overt classism, students of colour recounted recurrent experiences of overt racism. In both the US and the UK, they described being frequently told that they were beneficiaries of affirmative action: in effect, that they were advantaged because they were Black or because they attended a state school. In reality, all the research shows that these factors make people less likely to secure a place.

A female student told us of her discomfort at suggestions that she was recruited as part of a “quota” of Black students. In echoes of Ngozi Fulani’s experience at Buckingham Palace, she said: “Even professors ask that question, ‘How come you came here?’ It’s not a simple question, it’s always about who I am and what’s my story.”

Another Black student told us: “I was the only Black person on my course, and was made to feel different by others, but also felt different myself. When the lecturer said something about Black people, everyone would turn and look at me and expect me to be the expert. It’s the posh, white, middle-class boys who dominate. They have all been to the same private schools and already know each other before they come. They let you know you are not one of them.”

Unsurprisingly, a feeling of “impostor syndrome” was not uncommon. Another student described “feelings of inferiority”, and added “it’s not just the academic spaces, it’s also the social spaces”.

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a reply to: JAGStorm

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originally posted by: Quadrivium
I keep seeing a lot about "Asians".
What makes them different?

Parenting and values.
Also, very low "victim mentality", which is caused by parenting, values and indoctrination in the government run school system.
If we work on pushing:
1) The two parent home, instead of incentivising single motherhood.
2) Stop indoctrinating kids to believe they are victims.
3) Teach children morals, values and DRIVE.
You would see a HUGE turnaround in the overall state of equality.
As I said earlier, you can not force equity and expect equality.
Forced equity only causes more harm, more racism and more division.

There is a dark side to this (Asian/good grade/perfect citizen) nobody talks about…
Abuse.

I came home with a C in advanced math and I was grounded for a month and was told I couldn’t date anyone
I got an award in an advanced class but it was science or math so it was deemed unimportant
Rarely did parents show up for awards and awards were not celebrated
I came in first in athletics ahead of both male and female counterparts and was told why didn’t I beat the 9th grader
Physical and extreme mental abuse is not only tolerated but encouraged

My experience was unfortunately not unique. Many of my Asian American friends went through very similar things. As adults we lament and also laugh about who got beat the worse. Sadly some people have swung the opposite way and have been too relaxed with their kids. I sometimes leaned that way with my kids too due to my experienced.

I noticed in Japan and Korea, a lot of people just aren’t having kids.