California girl sues doctors over breast removal gender-affirmation surgery at 13

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

What does talent mean to quintessentone? Why do we have to define terms for quintessentone when quintessentone never has to return the favor?

What does it mean when Ketsuko follows quintessentone around the board trolling and going off topic, who is she performing for?

Ketsuko raises a good point. "Trolling" is a broad term. Expecting people to jump and submit off of very little from you is curious. Perhaps the microscope you use on others, consider using it on yourself.......

originally posted by: Notabot12345666

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Isn't quintessentone supposed to trust the experts? Wouldn't they have been the ones to recommend a psychological consult as the experts over the parents?

Depends on the experts-

Was this girl a suicide risk? Simple question.

why don't you read the article I have linked?

Why don't you define this sentence:

"Layla was a severely troubled 11-year-old when she self-diagnosed herself as suffering from gender dysphoria."

What does severely troubled mean to you?

Severely troubled means nothing. It is flowery catch-all talk for someone trying to sound professional and failing.

I had sausage instead of bacon this morning. My stomach finds that severely troubling.

I affirm and respect your troubled tummy, and recognize all the bravery youve shown by holding this problem for so long.

Now, lets remove your gut before you go killing yourself!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: linda72

45% of children who receive gender-surgery end up committing suicide.

are you serious mate ? Christ I hope you are mistaken.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: linda72

45% of children who receive gender-surgery end up committing suicide.

are you serious mate ? Christ I hope you are mistaken.

Nope, there are numerous articles on the subject. Pre-transition, post-transition, it screws up the kids in a big way.

And it's getting worse, not better.

Which is what the leftists probably wanted.

originally posted by: BiffTannen

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

What does talent mean to quintessentone? Why do we have to define terms for quintessentone when quintessentone never has to return the favor?

What does it mean when Ketsuko follows quintessentone around the board trolling and going off topic, who is she performing for?

Ketsuko raises a good point. "Trolling" is a broad term. Expecting people to jump and submit off of very little from you is curious. Perhaps the microscope you use on others, consider using it on yourself.......

I have also raised a very good point, but bias is as bias does.

The reality of the suicide numbers:

Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Considering they’re spouting how their the only one here asking the important questions and everyone else has to scurry away and find them some answers or else.

Else. Or else they will have to find the answers and post them here for the good of the thread, instead of the nutrition of someone’s ego.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Isn't it amazing how facts can change a desired narrative?

For those who can't be bothered to read the study, there is a low prevalence of regret after gender-affirmation surgery.

Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence

journals.lww.com...

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: linda72
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What do you think should be the punishment for these doctors who presented the family with the fake dilemma: do you prefer a dead daughter or a live n healthy son? --what about those who are behind this business?

The old "eye for an eye" principle comes to mind.

If the are males, cut off their peckers. If they are female, cut off their breasts and mutilate their genitalia.

I know that it'll never happen, but it'd be right.

Except for the fact that the Mosaic law made an exception for mutilation of a genital:

“If two men get into a fight with each other and the wife of the one intervenes to protect her husband from the one striking him and she reaches out her hand and grabs hold of him by his private parts, you must amputate her hand. You should not feel sorry."-Deuteronomy 25:11.

In this instance if a a man's privates were mutilated by a woman her privates were not to be touched, instead her hand was to be amputated. One would ask why? God certainty has a very high regard for the reproductive powers of a human. So that would lead one to think how he views all of these people running around mutilating their genitals and the people doing the mutilating. Under the Mosaic Law a lot of people would be getting their hands amputated. Of course the law itself would have prevented the insanity that is happening in today's society.

What do you think really happened here? Whether this young girl was suicidal or not, she doubtless decided, or was led to believe, that she was a man trapped in a female body. Then she, or her advocates, DEMANDED that she be given "trans" health care because IT WAS HER RIGHT!

So, fueled by the trans lobby that also demanded the same thing, she had surgery as she desired. Add some puberty blockers and a sufficiently large cartilage stick and voila! You, too, can be like Chaz Bono! Problem solved.

Well, not quite because guess what. It was all a mistake, a big Oops. Now she wants her breasts back. And who is at fault? Is the trans lobby at fault for promoting this? Of course not. Is it her parents who went along with this? Of course not. Is it "society" and the social milieu that set this up as the cool thing to do? Oh, hell no. Is it the girl herself who threw a fit when she didn't get her way? Oh, no. Impossible. Isn't it obvious? It's Kaiser's fault because they agreed to do the surgery!

Now Kaiser is part of the Big Bad Medical Establishment, so they are an easy target. Sue! If they had NOT done the surgery, they would be sued. Now if they DID the surgery, they would be sued. They will be sued no matter what they do. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place! Damned if they do. Damned if they don't. That sucks.

I blame the girl. She wanted it, demanded it. She got it. Now suck it up and deal with it. It's her fault.

a reply to: schuyler

Blame the kid? Are you serious? You need a reality check. Kids constantly change their minds. One day they want to be a ballerina, next day a doctor, and for some the week after a boy. It’s what kids do. They need the guidance of their parents, this is where the initial fault lies. Second is the intense social pressures that they face. Then add the doctors that are more than happy to provide expensive medical procedures.

So you go ahead and blame the kid, it’s very unrealistic, you need to rethink your post.

I wonder how much parents are being pressured to give in to this trans movement?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Isn't quintessentone supposed to trust the experts? Wouldn't they have been the ones to recommend a psychological consult as the experts over the parents?

Depends on the experts-

Was this girl a suicide risk? Simple question.

You treat a someone you think might be suicidal by pumping them full of hormones and cutting off body parts?

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Isn't quintessentone supposed to trust the experts? Wouldn't they have been the ones to recommend a psychological consult as the experts over the parents?

Depends on the experts-

Was this girl a suicide risk? Simple question.

You treat a someone you think might be suicidal by pumping them full of hormones and cutting off body parts?

Why do you think the parents, psychologists and doctors chose that course of treatment? Don't know? Well we will find out during the courtroom trial. In the meantime, learn some facts.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

journals.lww.com...

a reply to: DBCowboy

Depends on the parents

A silent genocide

a reply to: DBCowboy

a reply to: quintessentone

Is someone who is 13 or even younger, under intense peer pressures, mentally confused and unstable, and suicidal, in a position to make a physically altering permanent change to their body without parental consent?

Sorry for the run on sentence. I would like you to answer the question above. Just the above sentence, nothing more.

I would like to also like to point out that of the two sources you gave, one is from a global plastic surgeon network. It could be seen as being biased. After all, the do make their living altering human bodies.

originally posted by: Topcraft
a reply to: quintessentone

Is someone who is 13 or even younger, under intense peer pressures, mentally confused and unstable, and suicidal, in a position to make a physically altering permanent change to their body without parental consent?

Sorry for the run on sentence. I would like you to answer the question above. Just the above sentence, nothing more.

I would like to also like to point out that of the two sources you gave, one is from a global plastic surgeon network. It could be seen as being biased. After all, the do make their living altering human bodies.

That question does not apply here because the girl obviously had parental consent. I don't answer hypothetical questions.

I prefer to wait to hear the whole story and not make assumptions.

It could be seen as biased then again not seen as biased, like everything in life it depends on the reader. I post these scientific sources as a guide to understanding what may have occurred here and why the girl, after the fact, regrets it (which most don't).

This too will come out in the trial.

I think the company and anyone who made money performing a sex altering surgery on someone younger than 18 years old should be awarded billions of dollars with most paid by the company agreeing to perform life altering surgery on kids. The doctors and hospital performing the surgery should pay millions.

I don’t know why life altering surgeries are allowed on those younger than 18 years old when they aren’t even allowed to buy a beer until they reach 21. Under 21 and you aren’t considered to be responsible adults. However someone is allowing life altering drugs and surgeries. All those responsible should pay. Those profiting should pay the most. My opinion.

If the kid really wants life altering drugs or changes, tell them they have to wait until they are a legal age and an adult. As a nation we already do that just to buy a beer.

First, do no harm.

Fake news.
Fake science.
Fake medical practice.