California girl sues doctors over breast removal gender-affirmation surgery at 13

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: linda72

Title says it all in one word, “California”

it's a very-very woke state-

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: linda72

"Kaiser"??

Alarm bells ringing right there!

This is just sick.

I didn't bring up this conversation btw-

What do you think about confused little girls getting double mastectomy

I was replying to the OP, as in, your good self?

What do I think about that?

Like I said, it's just "sick"?

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

What does talent mean to quintessentone? Why do we have to define terms for quintessentone when quintessentone never has to return the favor?

thing i found hilarious in the other thread (not related to this conversation) was the definition of woman - they asked me to define the words used to describe what a woman is -

From this story n the many others around it looks lie a big business playing games with the health n lives of many kids-

That was another member. Try again.

If that is true, then all will be revealed in the court trial. Your assumptions and bias' don't amount to anything you post here being credible.

never said it was you- but I am glad you know who said what-

did you find out if the girl was suicidal?

Even if she was do you think this is a valid reason for body part removal?

Why didn't you provide all the facts in your opening post?

Are you leaving out some facts or cherry picking for your own reasons?

Why do I have to guess what the facts are in your threads?

Where are the facts that the medical institution has a past history of medical malpractice?

I want others to read-not spoon-fed

Just as like in other thread with Olivia where you were proven completely wrong arguing we don't have all the evidence n things may be not as they look like...

if you have any evidence the story isn't genuine provide it- otherwise it seems a desperate attempt again-

It's not spoon feeding when the facts are NOT there to be read.

Did this girl have suicidal intent?

Where is the proof this medical institution has had previous malpractice suits?

Where is your follow up to Olivia's getting that professor fired? Proving her and your stances.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: ketsuko

Only the experts they agree with, otherwise they confirmation bias

I am asking if anyone knows whether or not this girl was diagnosed as suicidal. Not only do I get no answers, but I get the runaround. It is easier to twist and deflect than actually try to defend your position.

Again, was this girl diagnosed as suicidal? Did her mother think she was suicidal?

I can't agree with any expert because the trial hasn't even started yet. I am the only one on this thread that is asking the most important question - suicidal intent? or heinous medical malpractice? Where are the facts?

But you have been given the answer. My grade school kid understands the information presented here, so why can't you?

If you consistently deny and fail to acknowledge and consider the answers given, it means you have your mind already made up on everything, and no new information will ever reach you.

Unbelievable.

That's a trend in many threads- throwing a number of false claims n arguments with the aim to derail the thread- always fails n always their arguments are proven false-

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: linda72

Title says it all in one word, “California”

it's a very-very woke state-

If that's true then the doctors will be found guilty of malpractice because they were 'woke' and not following the legalities of their profession.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Its always amusing when someone misses the wart on their own nose.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

I only have a few warts on my fingers

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: ketsuko

Only the experts they agree with, otherwise they confirmation bias

I am asking if anyone knows whether or not this girl was diagnosed as suicidal. Not only do I get no answers, but I get the runaround. It is easier to twist and deflect than actually try to defend your position.

Again, was this girl diagnosed as suicidal? Did her mother think she was suicidal?

I can't agree with any expert because the trial hasn't even started yet. I am the only one on this thread that is asking the most important question - suicidal intent? or heinous medical malpractice? Where are the facts?

But you have been given the answer. My grade school kid understands the information presented here, so why can't you?

If you consistently deny and fail to acknowledge and consider the answers given, it means you have your mind already made up on everything, and no new information will ever reach you.

Unbelievable.

That's a trend in many threads- throwing a number of false claims n arguments with the aim to derail the thread- always fails n always their arguments are proven false-

You say 'derail' - I say 'where are the facts, not assumptions'.

a reply to: quintessentone

Still waiting on the answer you think you have

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Still waiting on the answer you think you have

We are all still waiting for facts not assumptions.

a reply to: quintessentone

Fact and assumption have nothing to do with your statement you made.

I ask again; what difference does it make if she was "diagnosed" or not?

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: Jorge1986s

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Isn't quintessentone supposed to trust the experts? Wouldn't they have been the ones to recommend a psychological consult as the experts over the parents?

Remember now, the parents should have no say in their children's care. The "experts" should have final and absolute authority over the authorization to mutilate children's genitalia. /Sarcasm

Oh and any and all experts that say that genital mutilation and puberty blockers could possibly cause a child harm are suddenly not "experts" anymore, because they are hateful bigots and far right wing whackos. Did I do that right?

Straight to surgery- let's affirm the confusion so we can make money out it-

Am I right?

20-25 years in prison for the doctors will be fair-

I bet no doctor would perform this operation if the family was on Medicaid.

Medicaid for all! (Says Bernie Sanders)

a reply to: linda72

My Mother was 13 when I was born. If I see her again, I'll have to ask if she had "breasts". 13 sounds young for breast removal.

a reply to: carewemust

Perhaps Bernie had it right?

a reply to: carewemust

All the hormones that producers are pumping into food now days, not so much. Went to middle school with a gal that had a reduction in 8th grade. And yes, it was very warranted for her

originally posted by: linda72
Source: bioedge.org...

American children whose lives were ruined by gender-affirmative medication and surgery are resorting to litigation to seek justice. The latest case to surface in the media is a 18-year-old Californian woman known as Layla Jane, who is suing doctors at Kaiser Permanente, a huge American medical group. They gave her puberty blockers and testosterone when she was 12 and performed a radical double mastectomy when she was only 13.

Layla was a severely troubled 11-year-old when she self-diagnosed herself as suffering from gender dysphoria. Her mother took her to doctors who recommended testosterone and a mastectomy after just two face-to-face consultations lasting 30 and 75 minutes. The lawsuit alleges that the doctors presented Layla’s parents with the false dilemma: “would they rather have a live son, or a dead daughter?”

Her lawyer, Harmeet Dhillon, of the Center for American Liberty, in San Francisco, says: “This so- called ‘treatment’ of Layla by her providers represents a despicable, failed medical experiment that grossly breached the standard of care.”

Ms Dhillon also represents Chloe Cole, another young woman who had a double mastectomy at 15 because she thought that she was really male. She says that she has received thousands of calls from detransitioners from all over the country.

The Hospital driven by ideology n profit carried a very dangerous-failed-medical experiment to affirm the anxiety n confusion of an otherwise healthy teenager who may have been helped with counselling n psychotherapy-but instead prescribed her puberty blockers n hormones n within six months they removed her breasts via a double mastectomy-the best of 'science' one can get- I don't really understand this standard of care-but I think I know who is behind these gender-affirmation surgeries -it's not difficult to guess-

What do you think should be the punishment for these doctors who presented the family with the fake dilemma: do you prefer a dead daughter or a live n healthy son? --what about those who are behind this business?

Sure, the docs should never have done this, but who are these whackjob parents allowing it in the first place?

This girl should disown them and they should be thrown in prison for years fir child abuse.

These people are truly sick in the worst way.

i just talked to a friend.
she went to see d0ct0rs a few years ago, they suggested same thing.

she loves men.
she told me, 'thank g0d, even at age 13, i said no lets wait...'

one of my good friends is a trans.
she said, you HAVE to wait till 18.

but the c0mmmunists are doing everything they can to destr0y the family unit.
dont believe me?

there are more female to male trannnsexuals around today than -m to f.
just walk into target, and count them.

c0mmmies won.
w0rld is over in 100 years.
it will be wallle.
people in love with their nintendo bimb0 b0ts, never leaving their living rooms, high fruct0se c0rn syrup pumped right up their bump via free tubes from fbb.

a reply to: linda72

Parents, it’s the toughest job, but you have to be strong.

My older kids wanted tattoos and weird piercings.

I told them both, not until you are 18. When you turn 18, feel free to spend your money on whatever you want.
I also told them, I had yet to meet a single person that didn’t in one way or other regret their tattoo.
I told them there are ways to alter their appearance without long term changes.

I recently asked my adult daughter why she never got one, and she said after waiting so long, it was now ingrained into her not to. I also would not let me children wear clothes with holes (like jeans with holes in the knee decoratively)
Same scenario, she can’t wear it as an adult now.

Don’t get me wrong, changing your sex is different than my examples, but what I’m trying to show is kids will change their minds, many many time even over the course of 5 years.
Take going to college. How many kids go in for one major and change it. A large amount. Some of these kids wanted to be doctors, or lawyers, or yada yada, and then, something changes.

These sex changes are the same thing. I’m sure the emotions feel real. The problem is the child’s brain is not fully formed. We should make it illegal to change sexes physically until 25. After that they should be given full respect as the opposite sex if they choose it. My guess it would be a very small amount, the actual real amount that really believe they are the wrong sex.

There is also now some studies that are delving in to the poisoning of our water, all the pharmaceuticals and how this is having an effect on children and their hormones. Think of all the birth control getting pee’d, all the viagra, all the hormone replacement therapy..

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: carewemust

Perhaps Bernie had it right?

We'd be much better off with BERNIE instead of JOE. Sanders is as MAGA-AF as Trump supporters are (in most ways). Bernie is still alert and vibrant enough to run next year. Beating Joe would be so easy for him!

wow google does stuff, who woulda thunk it

Liberty Center .org

I mean that took all of 30 seconds to find this article, if I were one truly interested in this information and not just trying to make an excuse for the sexual exploitation of minors.