Florida is Going to Find Out How Much Immigrants Do

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
They are living right here, stop ignoring and twisting facts.

I live in New Jersey; illegals don't get monthly benefits. If anyone is twisting something it's you.

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TANF is federally funded and provided by states with flexibility who gets it. There is also RCA, RMA and the ORR. A lot of monies are going to people who come into this country.

You have them in nice hotels. Who pays for the buses? The flights? The food? The healthcare? etc...etc...

We do as tax payers. Sorry, I feel for people but refugees are families or kids. Why when we see all of these people they are mostly young males?

We have our own issues in this county that need to be taking care of before we continue to keep the borders open.

a reply to: JIMC5499

Yet, even having a liberal stance towards immigration doesn't justify our current system where immigrants are required to wait years before having their case heard.

I think media is partly to blame by dumbing down the issue to just being pro or anti immigration. Dumbing it down to racism or socialism.

And the media wants it's audience dumbed down so they don't see the truth of the matter - that politicians aren't providing significant solutions.

a reply to: interupt42

Good point

a reply to: RonnieJersey

You might be confusing the other benefits with WIC they are allowed that in NJ along with emergency medicare and free school meals.
I know the county I was born in and was from in Jersey the Hospital E.R. had to have a dedicated section with doctors and nurses just for them tying up the Emergency room. with B.s.

Lets not forget the P.A. tags and no car insurance with them.

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: RonnieJersey

You might be confusing the other benefits with WIC they are allowed that in NJ along with emergency medicare and free school meals.
I know the county I was born in and was from in Jersey the Hospital E.R. had to have a dedicated section with doctors and nurses just for them tying up the Emergency room. with B.s.

Lets not forget the P.A. tags and no car insurance with them.

Just watch episodes of Jude Judy, nobody ever has car insurance.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: RonnieJersey

You might be confusing the other benefits with WIC they are allowed that in NJ along with emergency medicare and free school meals.
I know the county I was born in and was from in Jersey the Hospital E.R. had to have a dedicated section with doctors and nurses just for them tying up the Emergency room. with B.s.

Lets not forget the P.A. tags and no car insurance with them.

Just watch episodes of Jude Judy, nobody ever has car insurance.

Sadly the joke in South Jersey was if you had an accident with a spanish person with P.a. tags 9 times of 10 they had no insurance.
And I have personal experience with it

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: RonnieJersey

You might be confusing the other benefits with WIC they are allowed that in NJ along with emergency medicare and free school meals.
I know the county I was born in and was from in Jersey the Hospital E.R. had to have a dedicated section with doctors and nurses just for them tying up the Emergency room. with B.s.

Lets not forget the P.A. tags and no car insurance with them.

Just watch episodes of Jude Judy, nobody ever has car insurance.

Sadly the joke in South Jersey was if you had an accident with a spanish person with P.a. tags 9 times of 10 they had no insurance.
And I have personal experience with it

It's not a sign of the times, it's been like this for decades.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: RonnieJersey

You might be confusing the other benefits with WIC they are allowed that in NJ along with emergency medicare and free school meals.
I know the county I was born in and was from in Jersey the Hospital E.R. had to have a dedicated section with doctors and nurses just for them tying up the Emergency room. with B.s.

Lets not forget the P.A. tags and no car insurance with them.

Just watch episodes of Jude Judy, nobody ever has car insurance.

Sadly the joke in South Jersey was if you had an accident with a spanish person with P.a. tags 9 times of 10 they had no insurance.
And I have personal experience with it

It's not a sign of the times, it's been like this for decades.

It is not a sign of times it is an accepted stereo type for the area that is mostly true. Unless P.a. changed their license plate laws since I left

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: RonnieJersey

You might be confusing the other benefits with WIC they are allowed that in NJ along with emergency medicare and free school meals.
I know the county I was born in and was from in Jersey the Hospital E.R. had to have a dedicated section with doctors and nurses just for them tying up the Emergency room. with B.s.

Lets not forget the P.A. tags and no car insurance with them.

Just watch episodes of Jude Judy, nobody ever has car insurance.

Sadly the joke in South Jersey was if you had an accident with a spanish person with P.a. tags 9 times of 10 they had no insurance.
And I have personal experience with it

It's not a sign of the times, it's been like this for decades.

It is not a sign of times it is an accepted stereo type for the area that is mostly true. Unless P.a. changed their license plate laws since I left

I think immigrants learn very quickly how to do as the Americans (Romans) do when in the U.S.A.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: RonnieJersey

You might be confusing the other benefits with WIC they are allowed that in NJ along with emergency medicare and free school meals.
I know the county I was born in and was from in Jersey the Hospital E.R. had to have a dedicated section with doctors and nurses just for them tying up the Emergency room. with B.s.

Lets not forget the P.A. tags and no car insurance with them.

Just watch episodes of Jude Judy, nobody ever has car insurance.

Sadly the joke in South Jersey was if you had an accident with a spanish person with P.a. tags 9 times of 10 they had no insurance.
And I have personal experience with it

It's not a sign of the times, it's been like this for decades.

It is not a sign of times it is an accepted stereo type for the area that is mostly true. Unless P.a. changed their license plate laws since I left

I think immigrants learn very quickly how to do as the Americans (Romans) do when in the U.S.A.

They have nothing to lose, They always had the privilege of not being tracked down and being being made to fulfill or be made to pay for their repercussions. That was the South Jersey way ...

And since this is a Florida thread, That stuff doesn't happen here.
I know some of you live in areas where cash daily labor is going towards illegal immigrant's. Back in jersey I would have gotten a quote from a white guy to have illegals show up and do the work.
It doesn't happen here you do a gutter, screened in porch, gutter guards , mow your lawn, fence installed, furniture delivery is all white Caucasian males.

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
And since this is a Florida thread, That stuff doesn't happen here.
I know some of you live in areas where cash daily labor is going towards illegal immigrant's. Back in jersey I would have gotten a quote from a white guy to have illegals show up and do the work.
It doesn't happen here you do a gutter, screened in porch, gutter guards , mow your lawn, fence installed, furniture delivery is all white Caucasian males.

It absolutely happens in Florida.
A lot of times these workers are behind the scenes. Nobody is saying every single worker either, but there are a lot.
Also if you have not felt it yet DUH that’s because it hasn’t happened yet.

The full effects won’t be felt immediately either, I say give it a good year and then you will be on here yelling “nobody wants to work, let’s let 12 years olds make hotel beds and fix our margaritas !”

a reply to: JAGStorm

yes it absolutely does, and they are NOT behind the scenes, its very obvious because they are not "illegal"
even the "illegal alien" workers are allowed to work with certain permits ect. which are not effected by Desantis

Also, there is already rampant child labor across the country, not just Florida, # I was working when I was 12. Newspaper deliveries, up early in the morning riding my bike all around town for a few bucks so I could go buy some smokes(yes, seriously) and still have change left over to play at the arcade.

Lets read : EPI: Child labor laws are under attack

According to DOL, the number of minors employed in violation of child labor laws in fiscal year 2022 increased 37% over FY2021 and 283% over FY2015 (Figure A). The number of minors employed in violation of hazardous occupation orders increased 26% over FY2021 and 94% over FY2015 (DOL WHD 2022). In the six months prior to March 2023, DOL reported findings from 14 separate investigations into child labor violations. As of February 2023, it was investigating over 600 child labor cases (DOL OSEC 2023). These numbers represent just a tiny fraction of violations, most of which go unreported and uninvestigated.

Please note while reading all the parts about this going "unreported"
that means that everyday Americans like you and I are working alongside these kids, and not making a fuss about it. That is an issue in my eyes but, what are the circumstances?
are the kids parents in need of help, physically, mentally, financially
clearly the companies know, are they making people keep quiet?

this is important information because it feeds immigration, if there were no jobs to provide money to these people, they wouldn't keep coming.

So i propose a new perspective. Americans need to stop dividing themselves on such issues. They need to hold their government(s) and representatives accountable and stop idolizing the same people that are dividing them.
Then we need to hold countries like Mexico, Panama, Guatemala, Honduras ect. accountable for their roles.
Which opens a whole new can of worms there because half those nations wouldn't be so bad off if the US hadn't gone down there with good ole Ollie north and messed everything up.....

EDIT : also where were you when all these other states were doing this?

at least 10 states introduced or passed laws rolling back child labor protections in the past two years.

why are you so focused on what Desantis is doing?

a reply to: JAGStorm
We have a business here but that is not the type of labor we hire, Worse case I have 3 business cards for companies that provide legal Caribbean workers where they also shuttle them to work from Panama beach and provide transportation all the way up to Pensacola.
But I don't see us having to do that either we have plenty of local applicants.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
That being said…. I think they, and when I say they, I mean Florida are going to find out real quick how much work has been done by immigrants, yes illegal immigrants.

Here in Wisconsin we are about 1/4 the population of Florida and I can tell you first hand the lack of that labor has had a significant impact.

All you're saying there is the illegals have cornered the market in certain sectors.

If they were gone, there would have to be an adjustment period in which companies hired other workers.

Some companies would go out of business and others would have to charge more because legal labor costs more.

The reason they have cornered the market, though, is the recipients of their services aren't bearing the full cost of maintaining them but are passing the costs on to state and local governments and emergency relief agencies.

If they continue to allow illegals, they should find a way to tax the companies which employ them to cover the cost of their policing, emergency services, feeding, education, etc.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: JAGStorm

Hire some buses and send them where needed.

Maybe that’s the answer.

The states that want them, get them the states that don’t, don’t.
See how it works out in 10 years.

how many millions can your area take? I can make a call.

a reply to: face23785
Not only is it demonstrably false, it is actually downright insulting, both for American citizens and illegals. It presumes there are no hard working Americans and it presumes illegal (predominantly Spanish speakers) are only qualified for mostly menial or physically demanding labor.

Just because a Spanish speaking looking person is working a job does not make them illegal. Not to mention much of this states workforce have industries dominated by Cubans. The transport business is dominated by Legal Cubans because they move things around at a very low margin, thus giving them a bigger market share in the state and bringing prices down with competitors trying to remain viable.

My wife's uncle was born in Mexico, naturalized for decades (before we were born!) and runs a very successful construction company. He does not hire illegals, will not hire them.everyone jumps through the same hoops to get emoloyed.

I know two men who started their landscaping businesses in high school and have expanded to multiple teams and trucks. Same story, electronically verifies everyone.

If people are having this broad assumption that professions that are heavily staffed with brown people employ mostly illegals, those individuals are clearly disconnected from reality and falling back on some serious stereotypes.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

They do.

At least they can work the system in Kansas. They come; they have kids. Those kids are US citizens now, and because they have no means (er, no *legal* means) of support, those kids qualify for everything. The system cannot legally ask the parents about anything.

So each kid gets the full suite because they have no means of support.

Each parent can work under the table at anything they want.

This sets those families up to be moderately well off.

Jobs will be filled. We are not worried in florida at all. 1 million new residents we know about in the last 3 years. They are not retirees anymore. People looking for work. Low Business Tax and incentives. No State Income Tax.

The amount of people from PR, Venezuela, Belize, Peru, Brazil and the Dominican is crazy. These are all people looking for entry level positions or labor.

All the this law is really doing, again, is making sure laws are enforced.