Debunking Vaccine Myths RE VAERS

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: visitedbythem

Hmmm. I'll stick with the facts and figures provided thanks..

Although you have my deepest sympathies regarding the loss of your friends and family, anecdotes don't cut it in this sort of debate I am afraid..

You need to remove emotion from your arguments..

Again, apologies for you losses, but let's keep this scientific..

PA

Stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and stop defending the pharmaceuticals.

You need to stop the attempts to apologise in favour of pharma in all your posts. It doesn't work around here and these arguments have been repeatedly refuted again and again.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Provide sources to refute my claims. You see you can't so you just do what you always do, deflect and insult.

It's actually the other way around. Provide sources to support your claims. You need to qualify your claims first just as everyone else does. The burden of proof and evidence is on the claimant. Even if you don't have proof you should have some evidence for claiming that Covid-19 is a virus and especially a chimeric one.

Answer me this - Is Covid-19 not a virus? If so what is it?

No, it is not a virus. COVID-19 is a clinical disease diagnosis, which I already told you. It is caused by any one of a number of the variants of SARS-COV-2.

COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) is a disease caused by a virus named SARS-CoV-2

CDC.gov

It is literally in the first sentence at the CDC page on the topic. It can now be said without hyperbole that during every prior discussion you had defending vaccines you didn't know the first thing about COVID-19.

Then answer me this, why is Paxlovid - an anti-viral medication - prescribed for Covid-19 if it is not a virus?

“I think it is the beginning of a ‘game-changer,’” says Scott Roberts, MD, a Yale Medicine infectious diseases specialist. “It's really our first efficacious oral antiviral pill for this virus. It shows clear benefit, and it really can prevent hospitalization and death in people who are at high risk.”

www.yalemedicine.org...

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Provide sources to refute my claims. You see you can't so you just do what you always do, deflect and insult.

It's actually the other way around. Provide sources to support your claims. You need to qualify your claims first just as everyone else does. The burden of proof and evidence is on the claimant. Even if you don't have proof you should have some evidence for claiming that Covid-19 is a virus and especially a chimeric one.

Answer me this - Is Covid-19 not a virus? If so what is it?

No, it is not a virus. COVID-19 is a clinical disease diagnosis, which I already told you. It is caused by any one of a number of the variants of SARS-COV-2.

COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) is a disease caused by a virus named SARS-CoV-2

CDC.gov

It is literally in the first sentence at the CDC page on the topic. It can now be said without hyperbole that during every prior discussion you had defending vaccines you didn't know the first thing about COVID-19.

Very basic information that anyone could find out with a simple search online.

Not only Covid-19 was promoted to a virus according to the other member but it has become a chimeric virus as according to the new claim SARS-CoV-2 and another pathogen combined to created Covid-19.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Provide sources to refute my claims. You see you can't so you just do what you always do, deflect and insult.

It's actually the other way around. Provide sources to support your claims. You need to qualify your claims first just as everyone else does. The burden of proof and evidence is on the claimant. Even if you don't have proof you should have some evidence for claiming that Covid-19 is a virus and especially a chimeric one.

Answer me this - Is Covid-19 not a virus? If so what is it?

No, it is not a virus. COVID-19 is a clinical disease diagnosis, which I already told you. It is caused by any one of a number of the variants of SARS-COV-2.

COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) is a disease caused by a virus named SARS-CoV-2

CDC.gov

It is literally in the first sentence at the CDC page on the topic. It can now be said without hyperbole that during every prior discussion you had defending vaccines you didn't know the first thing about COVID-19.

Very basic information that anyone could find out with a simple search online.

Not only Covid-19 was promoted to a virus according to the other member but it has become a chimeric virus as according to the new claim SARS-CoV-2 and another pathogen combined to created Covid-19.

What does the first sentence say in the source he/she posted?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: visitedbythem

Hmmm. I'll stick with the facts and figures provided thanks..

Although you have my deepest sympathies regarding the loss of your friends and family, anecdotes don't cut it in this sort of debate I am afraid..

You need to remove emotion from your arguments..

Again, apologies for you losses, but let's keep this scientific..

PA

Stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and stop defending the pharmaceuticals.

You need to stop the attempts to apologise in favour of pharma in all your posts. It doesn't work around here and these arguments have been repeatedly refuted again and again.

Lols.. Are you still here?

Have you got that sentence on copy and paste?

You need to stop peddling snake oil and crazy conspiracy theories with no evidence to back them up...

"It doesn't work around here"... Not sure what you mean by that... This is a space for debate and discussion... Whch is what I am doing...

So, I will say to you...

Stop engaging in crazy conspiracy theories and denialism of obvious reality, and stop defending the deranged conspiracy theorists and pseudo scientific "doctors" that keep posting this crap...

You need to stop the attempts to post false information and doom porn in all your posts. It doesn't work around here and these ridiculous arguments have been repeatedly refuted again and again.

PA

"Stop engaging in crazy conspiracy theories and denialism of obvious reality, and stop defending the deranged conspiracy theorists and pseudo scientific "doctors" that keep psoting this crap...

You need to stop the attempts to post false information and doom porn in all your posts. It doesn't work around here and these ridciulous arguments have been repeatedly refuted again and again."

Can I borrow this as an opposing mantra to the other mantra? LOL I'll copy and paste too.

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: visitedbythem

Hmmm. I'll stick with the facts and figures provided thanks..

Although you have my deepest sympathies regarding the loss of your friends and family, anecdotes don't cut it in this sort of debate I am afraid..

You need to remove emotion from your arguments..

Again, apologies for you losses, but let's keep this scientific..

PA

Stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and stop defending the pharmaceuticals.

You need to stop the attempts to apologise in favour of pharma in all your posts. It doesn't work around here and these arguments have been repeatedly refuted again and again.

Lols.. Are you still here?

Have you got that sentence on copy and paste?

You need to stop peddling snake oil and crazy conspiracy theories with no evidence to back them up...

"It doesn't work around here"... Not sure what you mean by that... This is a space for debate and discussion... Whch is what I am doing...

So, I will say to you...

Stop engaging in crazy conspiracy theories and denialism of obvious reality, and stop defending the deranged conspiracy theorists and pseudo scientific "doctors" that keep posting this crap...

You need to stop the attempts to post false information and doom porn in all your posts. It doesn't work around here and these ridiculous arguments have been repeatedly refuted again and again.

PA

Trying to copy other member's styles doesn't do any good to your arguments that have been refuted everywhere.

The conspiracy theories is just a strawman argument of yours.

Debate and discussion? You have no valid arguments. And whatever you have argued si far has been refuted i.e vaccine apologetics, defending of the pharmaceuticals, and peddling official debunked narratives.

Doom porn is an expression that exists only in your mind and nowhere else.

Speaking of false information I haven't seen any comment in relation to the OP which makes s range of false and desperate arguments trying to defend the vaccine campaign. Everything is false in the analysis and statistics.

Stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and stop defending the Pharmaceuticals

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: quintessentone

Lol.. Of course mate, knock yourself out...

This dude's like a broken record...

PA

I know but I always have hope that reason will prevail.

What reason?? Another member has explained to you the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2. You don't seem to accept it or be reasonable enough to understand your points are not correct. Covid-19 is not a virus and furthermore is not a chimeric virus, given that it is not a virus...

The question you asked Ksihkehe you can answered it yourself by doing some simple search.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: quintessentone

Lol.. Of course mate, knock yourself out...

This dude's like a broken record...

PA

I know but I always have hope that reason will prevail.

What reason?? Another member has explained to you the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2. You don't seem to accept it or be reasonable enough to understand your points are not correct. Covid-19 is not a virus and furthermore is not a chimeric virus, given that it is not a virus...

The question you asked Ksihkehe you can answered it yourself by doing some simple search.

Nothing was explained just a CDC source was posted without context. I asked all of you to read the first sentence and since then "nadda". I also asked if Covid-19 is not a virus, why then is Paxlovid an anti-viral medicine prescribed? Again, "nadda".

Why don't you take the lead and explain it all to me with sources posted.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: quintessentone

Lol.. Of course mate, knock yourself out...

This dude's like a broken record...

PA

I know but I always have hope that reason will prevail.

What reason?? Another member has explained to you the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2. You don't seem to accept it or be reasonable enough to understand your points are not correct. Covid-19 is not a virus and furthermore is not a chimeric virus, given that it is not a virus...

The question you asked Ksihkehe you can answered it yourself by doing some simple search.

Nothing was explained just a CDC source was posted without context. I asked all of you to read the first sentence and since then "nadda". I also asked if Covid-19 is not a virus, why then is Paxlovid an anti-viral medicine prescribed? Again, "nadda".

Why don't you take the lead and explain it all to me with sources posted.

Ksihkehe already explained in a few posts earlier. There is no need for a link on this one. He said that Covid-19 is not a virus. I think it is very clear from his posts.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Original OP's post makes sense...

I've always known that contracting COVID is more dangerous than taking the vaccine's, it's common sense when you look at the statistics with an open mind...

This is what the OP was attempting to demonstrate..

If you can't see this then nothing I can say will change your mind...

You see, the difference between you and me is my opininons change when presented with reliable evidence... I was originally skeptical of the vaccines, but once I understood the data I understood that the risk associated with catching COVID was far greater...

Again, if you can't see this then you are beyond reasonable debate... I don't know how many more times people need to point this out to you personally before you start to grasp it.. I've seen people explain this to you many times... And yet to continue to persist with your little soundbites and copy and pasted resposnses saying the same thing..

Clearly you are committed to a certain route and are not open to alternative arguments... Which is sad...

This is not a good look on a site such as this which encourages debate and sharing of information....

PA

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Original OP's post makes sense...

I've always known that contracting COVID is more dangerous than taking the vaccine's, it's common sense when you look at the statistics with an open mind...

This is what the OP was attempting to demonstrate..

If you can't see this then nothing I can say will change your mind...

You see, the difference between you and me is my opininons change when presented with reliable evidence... I was originally skeptical of the vaccines, but once I understood the data I understood that the risk associated with catching COVID was far greater...

Again, if you can't see this then you are beyond reasonable debate... I don't know how many more times people need to point this out to you personally before you start to grasp it.. I've seen people explain this to you many times... And yet to continue to persist with your little soundbites and copy and pasted resposnses saying the same thing..

Clearly you are committed to a certain route and are not open to alternative arguments... Which is sad...

This is not a good look on a site such as this which encourages debate and sharing of information....

PA

There could be no comparison between vaccines and viruses. Vaccines are compared to vaccines and viruses to viruses. The OP made a number of claims that were false. Every number and statistics provided together with the analysis was wrong.

I don't think you have understood the data at all. You are engaging in vaccine apologetics usually and denying the reality of these untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous products. Because you speak about other members you most likely referring to fellow vaccine apologists who have had their arguments refuted just as it happened with the member who created this thread.

a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

Yes, when one does the math and comparisons of worldwide data, the truth then becomes evident.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Original OP's post makes sense...

I've always known that contracting COVID is more dangerous than taking the vaccine's, it's common sense when you look at the statistics with an open mind...

This is what the OP was attempting to demonstrate..

If you can't see this then nothing I can say will change your mind...

You see, the difference between you and me is my opininons change when presented with reliable evidence... I was originally skeptical of the vaccines, but once I understood the data I understood that the risk associated with catching COVID was far greater...

Again, if you can't see this then you are beyond reasonable debate... I don't know how many more times people need to point this out to you personally before you start to grasp it.. I've seen people explain this to you many times... And yet to continue to persist with your little soundbites and copy and pasted resposnses saying the same thing..

Clearly you are committed to a certain route and are not open to alternative arguments... Which is sad...

This is not a good look on a site such as this which encourages debate and sharing of information....

PA

There could be no comparison between vaccines and viruses. Vaccines are compared to vaccines and viruses to viruses.

You have repeatedly made this claim and it is simply and obviously wrong.

Comparing the outcomes of the vaccines and the virus is fundamental to risk benefit analysis.

If you still can't understand this then perhaps you are not in a position to be judging anyone's understanding of the data.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Well said. This argument was lost pages ago, yet here we are.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well, again you show your ignorance...

Claiming these drugs are "untested", or "experimental" is just ludicrous and parroted many times by your ilk on this site..

These vaccines went through EXACTLY the same testing process as every other drug/vaccine in human history..

The only difference being, these tests were carried out in parralell, not in series, hence the speed with which they came to market..

When you continue to make these previously refuted claims your other arguments are brought into question..

Get your facts right, then we can discuss these points like adults...

PA