Debunking Vaccine Myths RE VAERS

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I never said anything about all that, I simply focussed on your "untested" claim.

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

How does one compare the outcomes of the vaccines and the virus?

Through vaccine apologetics as it seems. It goes like this.. look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

In terms of the VAERS reports it's again disingenuous for someone to claim that there is nothing going on when there are many more adverse reactions registered than all adverse reactions of all other vaccines put together in the last 30 years or so.

The largest and most publicised vaccine campaign in history.
No equivalent pandemic in US since long before VAERs was launched.
And Covid vaccines have a broader reporting requirement than other vaccines.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I never said anything about all that, I simply focussed on your "untested" claim.

Let me repeat this as it's very important.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

In terms of the VAERS reports it's again disingenuous for someone to claim that there is nothing going on when there are many more adverse reactions registered than all adverse reactions of all other vaccines put together in the last 30 years or so.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Tested in three phases, so not "untested" at all. That is just an erroneous conclusion you draw to fit with your narrative:

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

In terms of the VAERS reports it's again disingenuous for someone to claim that there is nothing going on when there are many more adverse reactions registered than all adverse reactions of all other vaccines put together in the last 30 years or so.

The largest and most publicised vaccine campaign in history.
No equivalent pandemic in US since long before VAERs was launched.
And Covid vaccines have a broader reporting requirement than other vaccines.

The most absurd and ludicrous campaign in medical history.

The test of what you are saying is just vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

How does one compare the outcomes of the vaccines and the virus?

Through vaccine apologetics as it seems. It goes like this.. look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.

I would say that'sa primary school understanding of what the argument is. However that is possibly insulting to primary school pupils.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

In terms of the VAERS reports it's again disingenuous for someone to claim that there is nothing going on when there are many more adverse reactions registered than all adverse reactions of all other vaccines put together in the last 30 years or so.

The largest and most publicised vaccine campaign in history.
No equivalent pandemic in US since long before VAERs was launched.
And Covid vaccines have a broader reporting requirement than other vaccines.

The most absurd and ludicrous campaign in medical history.

The test of what you are saying is just vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

Repetition doesn't make your arguments true.

I

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Tested:

www.umms.org...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Tested in three phases, so not "untested" at all. That is just an erroneous conclusion you draw to fit with your narrative:

Clinical phase trials don't last for a year or so. Therefore the products are untested. If you think you know wthat testing means you need to get the manual out... Testing isn't just injecting individuals and waiting for an immune response.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

In terms of the VAERS reports it's again disingenuous for someone to claim that there is nothing going on when there are many more adverse reactions registered than all adverse reactions of all other vaccines put together in the last 30 years or so.

The largest and most publicised vaccine campaign in history.
No equivalent pandemic in US since long before VAERs was launched.
And Covid vaccines have a broader reporting requirement than other vaccines.

The most absurd and ludicrous campaign in medical history.

The test of what you are saying is just vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

Repetition doesn't make your arguments true.

I

It is still true and repeated so you understand the importance of it. Repetition is key to learning.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

How does one compare the outcomes of the vaccines and the virus?

Through vaccine apologetics as it seems. It goes like this.. look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.

I would say that'sa primary school understanding of what the argument is. However that is possibly insulting to primary school pupils.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

Logic: look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.


Logic failed.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The harm capable from both the vaccine and the virus seems pretty serious and similar. It seems petty to argue which one is worse.

As I mentioned earlier, there has been shown evidence that SARS COV2 is a retrovirus that can permanently alter the DNA of infected tissues.

Obviously it does no good to inject yourself with a vaccine that makes your cells produce SARS COV2.

I doubt anybody can quite claim victory over COVID 19 yet.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

How does one compare the outcomes of the vaccines and the virus?

Through vaccine apologetics as it seems. It goes like this.. look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.

I would say that'sa primary school understanding of what the argument is. However that is possibly insulting to primary school pupils.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

Logic: look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.


Logic failed.

That is not the logic.

Your understanding failed.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

In terms of the VAERS reports it's again disingenuous for someone to claim that there is nothing going on when there are many more adverse reactions registered than all adverse reactions of all other vaccines put together in the last 30 years or so.

The largest and most publicised vaccine campaign in history.
No equivalent pandemic in US since long before VAERs was launched.
And Covid vaccines have a broader reporting requirement than other vaccines.

The most absurd and ludicrous campaign in medical history.

The test of what you are saying is just vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

Repetition doesn't make your arguments true.

I

It is still true and repeated so you understand the importance of it. Repetition is key to learning.

www.logicallyfallacious.com...

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The harm capable from both the vaccine and the virus seems pretty serious and similar. It seems petty to argue which one is worse.

As I mentioned earlier, there has been shown evidence that SARS COV2 is a retrovirus that can permanently alter the DNA of infected tissues.

I doubt anybody can quite claim victory over COVID 19 yet.

Is SARS-CoV-2 a retrovirus? That's new to me. It may have some retroviral properties. Reverse transcription isn't only unique to retroviruses. But retroviruses don't usually harm us. They integrate their genome to the genome of our cells and live peacefully.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Only if your understanding of effective education is stuck in the past, as in learning by rote.

By definition, rote learning eschews comprehension, so by itself it is an ineffective tool in mastering any complex subject at an advanced level. For instance, one illustration of rote learning can be observed in preparing quickly for exams, a technique which may be colloquially referred to as "cramming".

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

How does one compare the outcomes of the vaccines and the virus?

Through vaccine apologetics as it seems. It goes like this.. look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.

I would say that'sa primary school understanding of what the argument is. However that is possibly insulting to primary school pupils.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

Logic: look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.


Logic failed.

That is not the logic.

Your understanding failed.

It's rather disingenuous for someone to argue that these products are non experimental, tested, and safe and effective. Given the evidence and the harms they have caused, including deaths, the conclusion is that these products are untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous, so not safe and effective.

In terms of the VAERS reports it's again disingenuous for someone to claim that there is nothing going on when there are many more adverse reactions registered than all adverse reactions of all other vaccines put together in the last 30 years or so.




Logic by vaccine apologists I should have mentioned.

Logic: look the virus has killed that many and the vaccine less, so the vaccine is safe and effective. Primary school logic.

And logic fails magnificently.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

SARS COV2 sure feels harmful.

Evidence of its retroviral properties shared again:

www.pnas.org...

I heard some early on compare the COVID 19 epidemic to the AIDS epidemic. That sounds like an appropriate comparison.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Repetition is the key to learning?

www.psychologicalscience.org...

Yeah, Goebbels would agree.