Who is Jesus to you?

Jesus and the stories about him are undoubtedly as true as the legends of King Arthur and the tales of Robin Hood.

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you presented in your post have been challenged and some even refuted by Jewish scholars themselves

So where's your hard evidence? Any scholarly articles, publications, books, commentaries? You're an anti-Semite, plain and simple. Although your take is probably the most ridiculous, nonsensical position I've ever seen. So any hard evidence for your claims???????????????

P.S..So Jesus didn't exist either. Prove your case.

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If you want to be childish and make this about feelings, or try to make personal remarks, go ahead, but I won't participate.

You are the one that brought up "feelings" and how mine "don't matter".
You are the one denying all evidence presented because of your feelings.
Your world view is being threatened and you don't like it.
I get it.
At fist I offered Roman documents confirming the connection.
That was not good enough for you because it "wasn't archeology".
Then I offered the destruction of Israel and Jewish funerary inscriptions found in Rome.
That was not good enough. It's archeology but it must be fake......

Gotcha bud.
You keep doing you.
Peace

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: ltrz2025

you presented in your post have been challenged and some even refuted by Jewish scholars themselves

So where's your hard evidence? Any scholarly articles, publications, books, commentaries? You're an anti-Semite, plain and simple. Although your take is probably the most ridiculous, nonsensical position I've ever seen. So any hard evidence for your claims???????????????

P.S..So Jesus didn't exist either. Prove your case.

The poster is of the opinion that they don’t have to prove anything because you can’t prove something that never existed.

That with a large smattering of name calling is all they’ve got.

a reply to: Quadrivium
a reply to: Phantom423
a reply to: NorthOfStuff

Sorry guys, in my respectful opinion, I'm afraid your IQs are too small to have this conversation. It's impossible to dialogue with people who doesn't reason and just appeals to their raw negative emotions of dissonance.

Just a few points and it's over:

1. How can you ask me for "hard evidence", when all I've been saying is that THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE anywhere for the mythical kingdom of Israel? How silly can you be, please....

2. Stating the fact that THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE for the kingdom of Israel anywhere, that all we have are contradictive interpretations from some researchers (which is very easy to verify), makes me an anti-semite? Stating facts and searching for the objective truth makes me an anti-semite? I'm not such thing. I love Syrians, Palestinians and even all people who label themselves as Jews, and wish them the best for their life and happy co-existence. But that will never happens while lies are around.

3. There is no HARD EVIDENCE for the existence of Jesus either. Just as with the Kingdom of Israel, or David, or Judah. All we have is the bible (which is proven to be full of lies and stolen myths), and some written documents that are not older than 1.000 years, and many have been discovered to be fake or altered, or apocrypha. Even 7 of the 14 Pauline letters (which constitute the very foundation of the Church) have been proven to be fake, and the other 7 are in question. The oldest torah we have is from the 1.200 AD, that 1.200 years after the alleged destruction of Jerusalem....

4. My world view is based on the evidence I have before me, on the facts. Facts cannot be threatened, they are certified things. I don't speculate over evidence that is simply not there.

5. The "Roman documents" one of you showed do not confirm anything. Those claims have been refuted by Jewish scholars themselves. That's simply your interpretation. There is no archaeological or physical proof of anything called "Jewish", "Hebrew", or "Israel", in Rome or in the Middle East, until the middle ages. As there is no physical evidence of any dude name Jesus until the 5th century AD either. Those are facts.

6. There is no hard proof that any Jewish temple being destroyed in Jerusalem in 70AD, that's also just speculations based only on the Biblical accounts. No hard archaeological proof of anything of that. In fact, that famous Wailing Wall that the Jews in Jerusalem worship, that they are told was part of the temple, has been proven to be a wall of an old Roman fortress. So, if the bible is true in anything, these poor Jews are literally worshiping something that would have helped the destruction of their alleged ancient ancestors... That's how bad lies can be.

All the rest is personal gibberish completely irrelevant and I won't address it.

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This is the same crap the Creationists use - you can't prove a negative. What you continue to ignore is the mountain of archaeological evidence that has been reviewed, verified and authenticated by thousands of researchers. That, not to mention the actual sites themselves i.e. the temples, the infrastructure. Then there's the written documentation from the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Muslims, the Babylonians.

You're just another crackpot with zero evidence for what your spitting out. Worthless.

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You are now just lying like a little kid. What you just said is almost like claiming that Santa Claus exists and that everyone agrees, lol. And you're also hilariously attempting to attack me through a keyboard, you nasty internet bad boy, lol... :-D, I like you though, for real.

Look, you can lie to yourself all you want and that's great. If this fantasy you have in your head about everyone confirming the existence of Israel and Jesus makes you happy, I'm happy for you. Keep it in your heart, believe it forever, great for you.

But, be sure that NO ONE who takes these subjects seriously can take your opinion seriously at all. You are actually making a fool of yourself and actually proving how irrational your position is. You are actually helping my case when you deny all the real science and lack of evidence behind the bible accounts because you don't agree with it. You are actually destroying your credibility by yourself at this point.

I'm simply informing you guys what real Jewish and Christian scholars say themselves!... You just don't want to accept it. But well, that's your choice. At least now you are informed.

Much love, light and truth to you all

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It’s hilarious! The poster’s arrogance is astounding.

They keep dismissing us with insults and names saying the discussion is over. Their own ego won’t allow this to happen though.

Too funny.

a reply to: ltrz2025

You are actually helping my case when denying all the real science and lack of evidence behind the bible accounts.

The New Testament talks about Jesus. You don't believe he existed either. Nothing existed according to you.

Here's a list of research references regarding the destruction of the temple in 70 CE:

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Weksler-Bdolah, Shlomit (2019). Aelia Capitolina – Jerusalem in the Roman period: in light of archaeological research. p. 3. ISBN 978-90-04-41707-6. OCLC 1170143447. The historical description is consistent with the archeological finds. Collapses of massive stones from the walls of the Temple Mount were exposed lying over the Herodian street running along the Western Wall of the Temple Mount. The residential buildings of the Ophel and the Upper City were destroyed by great fire. The large urban drainage channel and the Pool of Siloam in the Lower City silted up and ceased to function, and in many places the city walls collapsed. [...] Following the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE, a new era began in the city's history. The Herodian city was destroyed and a military camp of the Tenth Roman Legion established on part of the ruins. In around 130 CE, the Roman emperor Hadrian founded a new city in place of Herodian Jerusalem next to the military camp. He honored the city with the status of a colony and named it Aelia Capitolina and possibly also forbidding Jews from entering its boundaries
Westwood, Ursula (1 April 2017). "A History of the Jewish War, AD 66–74". Journal of Jewish Studies. 68 (1): 189–193. doi:10.18647/3311/jjs-2017. ISSN 0022-2097.
Ben-Ami, Doron; Tchekhanovets, Yana (2011). "The Lower City of Jerusalem on the Eve of Its Destruction, 70 CE: A View From Hanyon Givati". Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research. 364: 61–85. doi:10.5615/bullamerschoorie.364.0061. ISSN 0003-097X. S2CID 164199980.
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Si Shepperd, The Jewish Revolt AD 66–74, (Osprey Publishing), p. 62.
Maclean Rogers, Guy (2021). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. New Haven and London: Yale University Press. pp. 3–5. ISBN 978-0-300-26256-8. OCLC 1294393934.
Bunson, Matthew (1995). A Dictionary of the Roman Empire. Oxford University Press. p. 212. ISBN 978-0195102338.
The destruction of both the First and Second Temples is still mourned annually during the Jewish fast of Tisha B'Av.
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Goodman, Martin (2008). Rome and Jerusalem: The Clash of Ancient Civilizations. Penguin. p. 25. ISBN 978-0-14-029127-8. OCLC 1016414322. The capitulation of the rest of Jerusalem was rapid. Those parts of the lower city already under Roman control were deliberately set on fire. The erection of new towers to break down the walls of the upper city was completed on 7 Elul (in mid-August), and the troops forced their way in. By 8 Elul the whole city was in Roman hands – and in ruins. In recompense for the ferocious fighting they had been required to endure, the soldiers were given free rein to loot and kill, until eventually Titus ordered that the city be razed to the ground, "leaving only the loftiest of the towers, Phasael, Hippicus and Mariamme, and the portion of the wall enclosing the city on the west: the latter as an encampment for the garrison that was to remain, and the towers to indicate to posterity the nature of the city and of the strong defences which had yet yielded to Roman prowess. All the rest of the wall encompassing the city was so completely levelled to the ground as to leave future visitors to the spot no ground for believing that it had ever been inhabited."
Sebag Montefiore, Simon (2012). Jerusalem: The Biography (First Vintage books ed.). New York. p. 11. ISBN 978-0307280503.
Neusner, Jacob (28 November 2017), Hinnells, John (ed.), "Judaism in a Time of Crisis: Four Responses to the Destruction of the Second Temple", Neusner on Judaism, Routledge, pp. 399–413, doi:10.4324/9781351152761-20, ISBN 978-1351152761, retrieved 22 May 2022
Karesh, Sara E. (2006). Encyclopedia of Judaism. ISBN 1-78785-171-0. OCLC 1162305378. Until the modern period, the destruction of the Temple was the most cataclysmic moment in the history of the Jewish people. Without the Temple, the Sadducees no longer had any claim to authority, and they faded away. The sage Yochanan ben Zakkai, with permission from Rome, set up the outpost of Yavneh to continue develop of Pharisaic, or rabbinic, Judaism.
Alföldy, Géza (1995). "Eine Bauinschrift aus dem Colosseum". Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik. 109: 195–226. JSTOR 20189648.
Goldenberg, Robert (1977). "The Broken Axis: Rabbinic Judaism and the Fall of Jerusalem". Journal of the American Academy of Religion. XLV (3): 353. doi:10.1093/jaarel/xlv.3.353. ISSN 0002-7189.
Weksler-Bdolah, Shlomit (9 December 2019), "The Camp of the Legion X Fretensis", Aelia Capitolina – Jerusalem in the Roman Period, BRILL, pp. 19–50, doi:10.1163/9789004417076_003, ISBN 978-9004417076, S2CID 214005509, retrieved 19 May 2022, After the destruction of the Herodian city of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE, a military camp of the Tenth Roman Legion was established on part of the ruins to guard the former center of the revolt. This is clearly stated by Josephus (Jos. BJ, 7:1–,5,17; Vita, 422); it can be understood from the text of a diploma of 93 CE: "(veterani) qui militaverunt Hierosolymnis in legione X Fretense", and it is also clear from epigraphic finds from the town. A bulk of military small finds recovered from several sites around the Old City indicates the presence of the XFretensis in Jerusalem
Geva, Hillel (1984). "The Camp of the Tenth Legion in Jerusalem: An Archaeological Reconsideration". Israel Exploration Journal. 34 (4): 239–254. ISSN 0021-2059. JSTOR 27925952.
Peter Schäfer (2003). The Bar Kokhba war reconsidered: new perspectives on the second Jewish revolt against Rome. Mohr Siebeck. pp. 36–. ISBN 978-3-16-148076-8. Retrieved 4 December 2011.
Lehmann, Clayton Miles (22 February 2007). "Palestine: History". The On-line Encyclopedia of the Roman Provinces. The University of South Dakota. Archived from the original on 10 March 2008. Retrieved 18 April 2007.
Cohen, Shaye J. D. (1996). "Judaism to Mishnah: 135–220 AD". In Hershel Shanks (ed.). Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism: A Parallel History of their Origins and Early Development. Washington DC: Biblical Archaeology Society. p. 196.
Shlomit Weksler-Bdolah (2019). Aelia Capitolina – Jerusalem in the Roman Period: In Light of Archaeological Research. Brill. pp. 54–58. ISBN 978-90-04-41707-6.
Jacobson, David. "The Enigma of the Name Īliyā (= Aelia) for Jerusalem in Early Islam". Revision 4. Retrieved 23 December 2020.
Levine, Lee I. (2002). Jerusalem: portrait of the city in the Second Temple period (538 BCE – 70 CE) (1st ed.

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Har-El, Menashe (1977). This Is Jerusalem. Canaan Publishing House. pp. 68–95. ISBN 0-86628-002-2.
Roth, Helena; Gadot, Yuval; Langgut, Dafna (2019). "Wood Economy in Early Roman Period Jerusalem". Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research. 382: 71–87. doi:10.1086/705729. ISSN 0003-097X. S2CID 211672443.
Rocca (2008), p. 8.
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Ben-Yehuda, Nachman (2010). Theocratic Democracy: The Social Construction of Religious and Secular Extremism. Oxford University Press. p. 91. ISBN 978-0199813230.
Telushkin, Joseph (1991). Jewish Literacy. New York: William Morrow and Co. Retrieved 11 December 2017. While the Romans would have won the war in any case, the Jewish civil war both hastened their victory and immensely increased the casualties. One horrendous example: In expectation of a Roman siege, Jerusalem's Jews had stockpiled a supply of dry food that could have fed the city for many years. But one of the warring Zealot factions burned the entire supply, apparently hoping that destroying this "security blanket" would compel everyone to participate in the revolt. The starvation resulting from this mad act caused suffering as great as any the Romans inflicted.
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And like I tell the crackpots on the "other" board, why don't you write all these researchers a letter? Tell them they're all washed up, have no idea what they're talking about, and that you have HARD EVIDENCE that none of this existed, including Jesus.

I won't hold my breath waiting for the replies.

a reply to: Phantom423

Lol. You completely lost it friend, but I like you still!

Happy life bro!

Jesus as depicted in the bible certainly never existed as the bible is a bunch of stories that may at one time had been based on someone. There probably was someone or multiple someones that biblical jesus is based on. That is what i believe and would take some sort of actual evidence from that time period referencing him. Even in the bible, the gospels were supposedly written decades after the events they talk about.

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff
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It’s hilarious! The poster’s arrogance is astounding.

They keep dismissing us with insults and names saying the discussion is over. Their own ego won’t allow this to happen though.

Too funny.

It's called the "Victim Mentality".
Sadly, these types of people can insult you all they want but when it's returned they call foul.
SMH......

Jesus is the human incarnation of God, a being from above our plane of existance.

a reply to: ltrz2025

You calling it a myth does not make it one, but I see you accept that. Interesting conversation, thanks.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: ltrz2025

You calling it a myth does not make it one, but I see you accept that. Interesting conversation, thanks.

Bro, words have meanings given by the dictionary. It's not about me accepting anything, really. Not looking to sound pedantic, just to make it clear. What's the meaning of the word myth?

"A traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events".

That's exactly what the bible is, right?...

Look, historically speaking, the biblical chronicles are ALL myths until we can prove the opposite. Once someone finds conclusive evidence of the Kingdom of Israel, or the existence of Moses, or that Genesis itself, happened like it is described in the bible, these chronicles will stop being a myth and will become historical fact. Facts are facts, whether we accept them or not.

That being said, after 200 years of excavations all over the middle east, Europe and Africa, no evidence of that sort was ever found. Which is sad, because it would be cool to have all our real human history condensed in a book at the reach of our hands. But sadly is not that simple. Right from the start, the bible mythology tells you that the earth is only 6,000 year old. But we know that isn't so, right?...

Then, if we look at what we have, archeology keeps showing a picture which is quite different to the Bible and the scholars (many Jewish and Christians themselves) keep exposing the lies, mistakes, contradictions and stolen myths in that book, which makes it completely unreliable, therefore mythological.

My pleasure to have a conversation with you as well. Thanks!

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1. How can you ask me for "hard evidence", when all I've been saying is that THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE anywhere for the mythical kingdom of Israel? How silly can you be, please....

My other evidence was not up to your standards. I will try once more.

1. www.historyofinformation.com...
2. www.historyofinformation.com...
3. www.historymuseum.ca...
4. www.sutori.com...

Enough?

Torah
Zohar
Enuma Elish
Caananite pagan memories
Pre-flood Atlantean memories

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