Another global wave of lockdowns coming early 2023?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

It depends on their share prices, I think.

If they continue to trend higher indefinitely, it signals big pharma can get away with their continued abuse of the sick public.

But if their share prices should tank, and not recover, that would signal big pharma has run its course.

a reply to: InachMarbank

I’d imagine that China current astronomical infection numbers spreading across Europe and Australia would ensure those share prices stay high for some time to come.

Spain becomes second European country to announce COVID restrictions for travellers from China

With every country that introduces these obvious restrictions, urgent because of the rampant international travelling that comes with Chinese New Year the question mark over those nations refusing to temporarily step up restrictions grows larger.

A sign of the insidiousness of this situation is the absence of key actors in the MSM not asking the question ‘Why?’

It’s perhaps worth noting that Sky is currently reporting this, while the BBC is not. The BBC of course is now run by an ex-Tory chairman and its bias has been named and shamed by the resignation/sacking of Emily Maitlis, one of its lead news anchors after she refused to be told what questions she was allowed to ask.

Does this suggest that Sky is on our side? Probably not. But Sky has put into stark contrast the U.K. governments BBC propaganda machine obfuscation of updates on this story - one which makes the U.K. government look bad - and is perhaps more proof of the pudding. Throughout, updates on other countries doing what the U.K. is so far refusing to do have been delayed and denied a spot on the website’s front page (somewhere such stories would usually be). Even now as I watch the news headlines on the BBC there is no mention of Spain introducing these restrictions…

…Is this BBC tangent off topic?

I don’t believe so. The Tory run BBC’s blatantly uncharacteristic absence of an unfolding international story speaks of the Tory governments desire to continue for as long as possible to resist introducing restrictions on Chinese travellers, ergo a desire to have a huge uncontrollable wave of infections paralyse hospitals and therefore society in the U.K.

Chinese New Year is January 22. So travel back and forth to join family members, both abroad and at home will probably begin sometime before that. Even if the U.K. and other nations refusing to respond to this end up doing so by the 22nd it will by then be too late. They be able to claim that they responded, but they’ll be well aware that the timing made that response a half measure and the damage done.

After the Tory gov recently declaring it would not introduce restrictions, you can see this narrative for plausible deniability being prepped with the Tory secretary for defence has now signalling a potential u-turn, saying that restrictions are under review. But unless they do this before travel begins in perhaps the 2nd week of January, then they’re too late.

And perhaps ‘under review’ is a response to pressure within parliament asking ‘why?’ But ‘under review’ means a reluctance at the highest levels to do it and may well be merely a time wasting move - kicking the can a little further down the street. It’s been the pattern in the U.K. to only make these decisions once it’s too late. Personally I don’t believe that shows incompetence, but rather a desire from the start in 2020 to grow and maintain high covid levels in the U.K. (there is a long trail of examples of strange gov decisions obviously exacerbating covid, but that’s a different thread).

a reply to: McGinty

OK, let me get this straight, the tories in the UK say that they don't want to lockdown, don't want a mask mandate, and don't want to impose travel restrictions... And you think that this demonstrates that there IS a conspiracy?

But you also think that when Trump and then Bidden did pretty much the exact opposite thing that it also demonstrated that there IS a conspiracy?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Where did I say that trump or Biden not locking down is a conspiracy?

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I’m in the U.K.! Therefore my comments and opinions have been regarding the U.K. and the world in general in broader terms.

The U.K.’s refusals to respond quickly to events - to not restrict in late February 2020 and to not restrict travel for China now - does not show that they wish to maintain freedoms. Not responding early always results in greater exponential spread of covid and therefore a far longer and far more draconian restriction on our freedoms later on once hospitals are overwhelmed.

The U.K. is currently enduring health professionals striking - hospitals are already on the edge of declaring emergency (some have already). A covid surge led by Chinese travellers will put all hospitals into emergency, which allows the gov to reintroduce any restrictions it wants.

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Btw, you never answered the question that I asked twice a few pages back…

You said that herd immunity had been achieved in your home country. Does that mean they have stopped vaccinating in your home country?

Answers gratefully received!

Edit: btw, I support the striking nurses. They risked all to help us all through the pandemic and then the Tories stabbed them in the back with a punitive below inflation pay rise. They deserve far more and have the right to withhold their Labour - that’s what living in a free society looks like and the Tories hate it.

a reply to: McGinty

The only thing lockdowns seem to eradicate is economic activity and small businesses. Simple hand washing would go much farther than any lockdown would.

originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: McGinty

The only thing lockdowns seem to eradicate is economic activity and small businesses. Simple hand washing would go much farther than any lockdown would.

And here in lies the problem. People were told to wash their hands and to socially distance... And they refused to.

Lockdowns exist because people could not or would not take personal responsibility.

a reply to: McGinty

For the most part yes, yes they have stopped vaxxing.

The vax program has been scaled back, the vax centers have been closed, and if you want to get vaxxed you need to go through the regular system that deals with things like flu shots.

They're still advising the elderly to get boosted because Herd immunity does not mean 100 percent protection, only about 80 to 86 percent protection.

We've had Herd immunity since maybe late 2020 in inner city areas where infection rates were highest, and mid 2021 for more rural areas due to vaxxing. Covid is just the flu now, and not even bad flu.

originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: McGinty

The only thing lockdowns seem to eradicate is economic activity and small businesses. Simple hand washing would go much farther than any lockdown would.

Indeed, hand washing is a good idea at any time.

Lockdowns… yes, there’s an irrefutable detrimental effect upon the economy; something no one has tried to refute. Imo the usefulness of restrictions comes in the first instance. As soon as a surge is registered, or seen incoming as with Chinese travellers about to visit some nations unabated. A short lockdown at will vastly lower the pitch in the rise of infections on the graph. Just as many folk may end up getting infected in the long term, but it’s the sharp inclines in rising numbers that closes hospital wards and blocks many from medical assistance. This means deaths that may have been prevented if infection rates had been controlled better early on with restrictions.

These restrictions are no doubt coveted by those in power that want greater control in general. But that fear of oppression doesn’t imo justify sacrificing lives. Restrictions need to ‘follow the science’. Problem so far is that they’ve been given a bad name because so often they’ve instead followed political agendas and corporate profiteering.

Make no mistake, though. Not responding to a new wave, to prevent or slow it down plays into the hands of those making a fortune out of the vaccines. It makes the case for more and more vaccines.

a reply to: McGinty

According to the figures at Worldometer, case counts in China are much lower than the rest of the world.

China and Japan seem to have had worse covid in the cold season of 2022 than 2021.

But Europe and America had worse 2021 than 2022. That trend doesn't appear to be changing. And we have passed the winter solstice.

Regardless, it takes more than sickness to pump up share prices. It takes debt stimulus, such as USgov deficit spending, Federal Reserve balance sheet growth. Both these measures are currently contracting.

Let's see...

a reply to: InachMarbank

Cases are under reported in China. Cases in rural areas aren't being recorded unless the person is seriously sick. People don't have the resources or the money to cope with anyone who just needs bed rest.

Cases in urban areas are under reported because nobody wants to be quarantined. If you're quarantined you effectively lose your income for that period.

a reply to: InachMarbank

Cases are under reported in China. Cases in rural areas aren't being recorded unless the person is seriously sick. People don't have the resources or the money to cope with anyone who just needs bed rest.

Cases in urban areas are under reported because nobody wants to be quarantined. If you're quarantined you effectively lose your income for that period.

a reply to: InachMarbank

Cases are under reported in China. Cases in rural areas aren't being recorded unless the person is seriously sick. People don't have the resources or the money to cope with anyone who just needs bed rest.

Cases in urban areas are under reported because nobody wants to be quarantined. If you're quarantined you effectively lose your income for that period.

a reply to: McGinty

plays into the hands of those making a fortune out of the vaccines.

There isn't actually much money to be made selling vaccines, even in large quantities. Governments tend to either use laws to enforce price caps or to "negotiate" lower prices. The wholesale price of a vax is getting to around $4 a vial these days, and the actual level of profit is much lower.

Big pharma makes a lot of its profits selling things like cosmetics and covid is really bad for sales because everybody is staying at home rather than going out on the town.

For every dollar profit that big pharma has made on the vax, the actual pandemic itself (not to mention all of the lockdowns) has lost them many times more on other products.

Equally, remember that most of big pharma isn't involved in vaccines at all.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Can you provide a list of pharmaceutical companies that sell cosmetics?

Pharmaceutical are so huge and so profitable, it very well may have its hands in a lot of industries, but that is not the mainstay of their business.

I don't see how products that are used by less than half the population, when including the average man, and children, can be more profitable than pharmaceuticals. Most cosmetics are purchased around 3 to 4 times a year. Most pharmaceuticals are used daily, up to six times a day, with prices averaging around $8.00 dollars per prescription a month, and the majority of the people are taking two or more prescriptions a day.

Some medications cost so much that people have to budget for them or have to go without. Pharmaceutical companies make more profit than most other industries. Their is absolutely no way they are not making a profit. They may not be making the profit they want, since they believe they have us by the short hairs, but they are making a profit.

The pharmaceutical companies have proved repeatedly, that they don't give a damn about people dying. Ask family members about loved ones that have died because they could afford the costs of the medications they needed. Ask people if they know anyone that lost their home and everything else because of the cost of medicines.

You can be sure of one thing about the pharmaceutical companies, if they are not making a profit, they are not making the drug.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Pfizer made nearly $37bn (£27bn) in sales from its Covid-19 vaccine last year – making it one of the most lucrative products in history – and has forecast another bumper year in 2022, with a big boost coming from its Covid-19 pill Paxlovid.

e]originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Pfizer made nearly $37bn (£27bn) in sales from its Covid-19 vaccine last year – making it one of the most lucrative products in history – and has forecast another bumper year in 2022, with a big boost coming from its Covid-19 pill Paxlovid.

I'm not surprised at all by this, the whole thing stinks, and I'm glad now I didn't believe the bull# fear of 2020...and remain unvaccinated 😱

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Bingo!

When do the Antieverything Bubbles go On Sale?


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a reply to: AaarghZombies

What I mostly pay attention to is the trends. No reporting system is perfect.

If the prediction of this thread comes true, the spike in 2022 in the eastern northern hemisphere countries will move west and the western northern hemisphere countries will see another spike.

It hasn't seemed to happen yet... Lets see...

Past couple years, I notice here in the USA, the trends are seasonal, and the numbers peak around December or January.

After the sumner of 2021, when just about everybody got jabbed, the fall and winter after that was when the most covid cases got reported.

This summer there was less people getting jabbed and, this fall and winter, cases have only mildly spiked so far, and are way below last year's peak.

I have been hearing about RSV cases spiking, but I don't see where statistics about those cases get reported at national levels...