Pro-life activist arrested for praying silently near an abortion facility

If they can create a small censorship zone in front of an abortion clinic, they can also create a censorship zone encompassing the entire nation.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: TheRedneck

UK implemented this policy to reduce the interaction of busybodies trying to sabotage their facilities.

It's a law and also prevents harassment of women seeking an abortion.

You just repeated what I said, but at least we agree.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Do you consider me a nuisance for doing so?

Not at all, I find prayers to be nice when fear isn't the driving force of the prayer.
If you'd pray in a zone in which that is specifically forbidden, and then admit it to authority, I'd consider you an idiot.

a reply to: Antisocialist

That is right, it all depends on public perception as to what is deemed publicly acceptable...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: TheRedneck

Do you consider me a nuisance for doing so?

Not at all, I find prayers to be nice when fear isn't the driving force of the prayer.
If you'd pray in a zone in which that is specifically forbidden, and then admit it to authority, I'd consider you an idiot.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: TheRedneck

Do you consider me a nuisance for doing so?

Not at all, I find prayers to be nice when fear isn't the driving force of the prayer.
If you'd pray in a zone in which that is specifically forbidden, and then admit it to authority, I'd consider you an idiot.

So, praying in a war zone or a hospital shouldn't be allowed if those people are praying for their lives. But if they are praying for people to die then it should be OK.

And, if you think thoughts the government doesn't want you to think and you admit it, you're an idiot.

That's an interesting philosophy. I hope your government approves of you thinking that way.

originally posted by: Antisocialist
If they can create a small censorship zone in front of an abortion clinic, they can also create a censorship zone encompassing the entire nation.

It's not a censorship zone, it's a safety zone to protect women. People are free to protest outside the zone.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: TheRedneck

UK implemented this policy to reduce the interaction of busybodies trying to sabotage their facilities.

It's a law and also prevents harassment of women seeking an abortion.

You just repeated what I said, but at least we agree.

Well, just so you know where my thought processes come from, I briefly was an ISO Internal Auditor and policies and procedures can be changed with the stroke of a pen, so policy and law are two different things to me. As well, your post only mentioned sabotaging their facilities and no mention of the harassment of women.

I'm surprised that everyone missed it, getting caught up in their feelings about it as it was designed to do to you.

She gets to have her fun day in court now, challenging the law by defending herself and making it look absurd. That's the only reason she did this, and the one that told the police about her might have been her friend who was in on it.

You guys.. smh..

originally posted by: Thrumbo
I'm surprised that everyone missed it, getting caught up in their feelings about it as it was designed to do to you.

She gets to have her fun day in court now, challenging the law by defending herself and making it look absurd. That's the only reason she did this, and the one that told the police about her might have been her friend who was in on it.

You guys.. smh..

What matters is the absurd positions some people take on this matter, twisting it to suit their positions so it no longer resembles the initial thread story, if indeed, what you say above is true, or just another twisting. Do you know for sure that is the reality of the matter?

a reply to: continuousThunder

The problem here is that if the police had to ask her if she was praying, the she was otherwise just present. Is it objectionable now to just be somewhere doing nothing overt other than being present?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Thrumbo
I'm surprised that everyone missed it, getting caught up in their feelings about it as it was designed to do to you.

She gets to have her fun day in court now, challenging the law by defending herself and making it look absurd. That's the only reason she did this, and the one that told the police about her might have been her friend who was in on it.

You guys.. smh..

What matters is the absurd positions some people take on this matter, twisting it to suit their positions so it no longer resembles the initial thread story, if indeed, what you say above is true, or just another twisting. Do you know for sure that is the reality of the matter?

Of course not, and no one else here knows for sure the reality of it either, and never will unless they attend the hearings in the audience to see it for themselves with an unbiased attitude.

Obviously the law is over the top, I see why they have it, so that there wont be activism, protests, and disturbances outside of abortion clinics. The prayer part is a bit much, but they added it to the law so that they could remove groups of people obstructing traffic or business having mass "prayer protests" or something to that effect. They didn't need to include that and could've simply said groups of people number more than X amount aren't allowed to look less discriminatory.

She's smart, she saw the part about praying and exploited it to get publicity against the law. Well done if you're against it, now it's on the internet and people all over the world are reading about it. The authorities look wrong and bad.

originally posted by: Thrumbo

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Thrumbo
I'm surprised that everyone missed it, getting caught up in their feelings about it as it was designed to do to you.

She gets to have her fun day in court now, challenging the law by defending herself and making it look absurd. That's the only reason she did this, and the one that told the police about her might have been her friend who was in on it.

You guys.. smh..

What matters is the absurd positions some people take on this matter, twisting it to suit their positions so it no longer resembles the initial thread story, if indeed, what you say above is true, or just another twisting. Do you know for sure that is the reality of the matter?

Of course not, and no one else here knows for sure the reality of it either, and never will unless they attend the hearings in the audience to see it for themselves with an unbiased attitude.

Obviously the law is over the top, I see why they have it, so that there wont be activism, protests, and disturbances outside of abortion clinics. The prayer part is a bit much, but they added it to the law so that they could remove groups of people obstructing traffic or business having mass "prayer protests" or something to that effect. They didn't need to include that and could've simply said groups of people number more than X amount aren't allowed to look less discriminatory.

She's smart, she saw the part about praying and exploited it to get publicity against the law. Well done if you're against it, now it's on the internet and people all over the world are reading about it. The authorities look wrong and bad.

It's not okay to vandalize anyone's premises or harass women .

a reply to: quintessentone

It's not, but it's also not ok to arrest someone for just standing because they admit to possibly having prayed silently too.

She was reported because of who she was, not what she was doing this time apparently.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

It's not, but it's also not ok to arrest someone for just standing because they admit to possibly having prayed silently too.

She was reported because of who she was, not what she was doing this time apparently.

She was breaking the law by being in the buffer zone . The law is the law - no excuses. Except if they find her mentally ill, then she may be referred for counselling or treatment.

a reply to: quintessentone

The buffer zone is for protest, yes? So is her mere silent presence protest? That's why the police had to ask if she prayed. She was otherwise doing jack, but if no one could say if she prayed, then she was simply being and arrested for herself.

Look, I can be the biggest jerk, ever, but I still get to be. I can't be barred from all existence. It is my actions that are objectionable, and it is the actions that what the buffer is for. She is not an action.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Maxmars

Arrested for being Christian.

Arrested for going out of her way to make that officer's day more interesting. She could have picked literally any street but she just couldn't resist being an example.

Recently there was a topic about a gay journalist being arrested and dying in jail in Qatar. The general response on this forum was basically "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Now we know what that shoe looks like on the other foot.

We don't live in Qatar, we live in America, ya know....home of the free (supposedly), yada yada. She can pray on any street she wants to (supposedly). Nonsensical and ridiculous comparison on your part.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

The buffer zone is for protest, yes? So is her mere silent presence protest? That's why the police had to ask if she prayed. She was otherwise doing jack, but if no one could say if she prayed, then she was simply being and arrested for herself.

The buffer zone is for safety, outside the buffer zone is for protest. And she said she 'might' be praying, she did not say she was praying. With that, we really don't know what her motives were/are.

Parliamentarians in the UK are currently considering legislation to introduce similar censorship zones in other parts of England and Wales that would restrict pro-life volunteers from interfering with the ability to "access, provide, or facilitate the provision of abortion services."

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a reply to: mtnshredder

Clearly didn’t read the OP.

a reply to: quintessentone

How was her presence a hindrance if she was just standing and might or might not have been praying and no one could say if she was doing anything?

I revert to original perception of this incident. Thank you for helping me understand I was right.