'Conspiracy Author' David Icke Banned From EU, Labeled A "Terrorist"

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: vNex92

We left the EU.

Period.

Some of us were paying attention, and you deserve credit for making sense of it in this thread. That is one move that hurt the new world order and should benefit the citizens of GB. I see how the EU shills tried to keep GB in the EU before finally they had to give in and allowed the Brexit of the EU.

a reply to: Maxmars

Clearly the Dutch Authorities are concerned about public order and any violent clashes and/or counter demonstrations against Icke and his supporters. It's a matter of public order and peace.

They should have never mentioned anything about conspiracy theories in the letter to Mr Icke and/or antisemitism. David Icke has never been convicted for any crimes in relation to antisemitism or any hate crimes as far as I know. He could easily sue them on the basis of libel and defamation of his character.

It's not the first time David Icke has been refused entry to a country. His was denied a visa for visiting Australia back in 2019 for the same reasons! Antisemitism and conspiracy theories. Although it is clear that the Australian Government feared of public disorder, disobedience, and violence on the streets....And the message preached is considered to be inflammatory and revolutionary by some of these Governments.

apnews.com...


My view on this matter is that Icke would like to pass several political messages and he does succeed to do so through lizards, reptiles, and alien 👽 type creatures. He is quite bright contrary to how he is presented in the media.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I think you are correct, but I still have reservations about the propriety of the act. I'm sure the law supports them in doing so, but I can't help but feel it is unreasonable to say something along the lines of: "Because the left-wing, or reactionary groups might be violent you aren't allowed here."

Isn't the problem the left-wing or reactionary groups engaging in thuggery and lawlessness? It's not the guy everyone is willing to pay to hear speak who is the cause... it's the violent nature of the people they are supporting by "protecting" them from being upset. Do the people who want to see/hear him not have any value in the argument? Are they subjects under mob rule?

Maybe I am just not getting the idea properly in my head. When a group threatens to throw a tantrum for 'whatever triggers them;' shouldn't the message be "don't throw a tantrum or there will be consequences?" And then there is the fact that in order to get their way, all they have to do is threaten a tantrum and reality is changed for them by a government who acts on their behalf.

Also, all of this is based upon the fear of something that hasn't happened yet. Shouldn't this be about actual violence and not the fear of potential future bad acts by clearly lawless people. Not to be obtusely hyperbolic, but shouldn't we ban banks so as not to encourage bank robbers, or ban soccer matches because people get overly excited and engage in brawls?

I'm not saying you're wrong; only that this seems a bit bass-ackwards.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

David Icke has never been convicted for any crimes in relation to antisemitism

Mostly because he's English. He couldn't say half of the things that he says if he were living in Europe where the laws are different.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

David Icke has never been convicted for any crimes in relation to antisemitism

Mostly because he's English. He couldn't say half of the things that he says if he were living in Europe where the laws are different.

I don't think the European Laws are they different to the laws in the UK. As the matter of fact many of the laws are still the same as the UK was part of the EU.

In addition David Icke has never been charged with anything while on tours abroad or arrested as far as I know.

It will be extremely difficult to charge him with anything and I don't think any laws broken from his part. Antisemitism is an unsubstantiated allegation which if he wanted to he could have sued whoever tried to defame him making good money from the process.

Conspiracy theories are not crimes and so do his political and religious views. So in a few words there is nothing against him other then the authorities concerns of public disorder, breach of peace or even violent clashes between demonstrators.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I don't think the European Laws are they different to the laws in the UK.

Holocaust Denial is either specifically illegal or is covered by hate crime statues in around a dozen EU countries.

In Holand (Where Ike was headed), Ike cold be jailed for what he said in the UK.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I don't think the European Laws are they different to the laws in the UK.

Holocaust Denial is either specifically illegal or is covered by hate crime statues in around a dozen EU countries.

In Holand (Where Ike was headed), Ike cold be jailed for what he said in the UK.

I suppose similar laws exist in the UK and in many non European countries.

But since when David Icke has committed any such related crimes?!

The fact is there is nothing against him and he has been in many countries. He was never charged with anything as far as I know. And in Holland the authorities can charge him with nothing as he has said nothing of that sort. They are concerned about public order and safety mainly.

originally posted by: Maxmars
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I think you are correct, but I still have reservations about the propriety of the act. I'm sure the law supports them in doing so, but I can't help but feel it is unreasonable to say something along the lines of: "Because the left-wing, or reactionary groups might be violent you aren't allowed here."

Isn't the problem the left-wing or reactionary groups engaging in thuggery and lawlessness? It's not the guy everyone is willing to pay to hear speak who is the cause... it's the violent nature of the people they are supporting by "protecting" them from being upset. Do the people who want to see/hear him not have any value in the argument? Are they subjects under mob rule?

Maybe I am just not getting the idea properly in my head. When a group threatens to throw a tantrum for 'whatever triggers them;' shouldn't the message be "don't throw a tantrum or there will be consequences?" And then there is the fact that in order to get their way, all they have to do is threaten a tantrum and reality is changed for them by a government who acts on their behalf.

Also, all of this is based upon the fear of something that hasn't happened yet. Shouldn't this be about actual violence and not the fear of potential future bad acts by clearly lawless people. Not to be obtusely hyperbolic, but shouldn't we ban banks so as not to encourage bank robbers, or ban soccer matches because people get overly excited and engage in brawls?

I'm not saying you're wrong; only that this seems a bit bass-ackwards.

I feel the same here.

Some left wing activists will be 'offended'... So what?! They can be offended as much as they want. That shouldn't prevent Icke or anyone else from giving a speech or a lecture.

My comments were on the reasons he has been banned which are clearly the fear of public disorder, potential violent demonstrations, and clashes between supporters.

There is nothing that indicates Icke is preaching 'hate speech' as it's called in our days or that he is anti-semitic. Nonsense and cheap excuses to prevent him from giving his talks.

Maybe they want this out there for other reasons. Maybe he is a messenger sent to awaken us for the wrong reason? I have to ask that because your logic on this post was sound when you asked why he isn't offed already? One idea I always thought about when things are stated that are this outlandish is not only will hardly anyone believe it if they aren't seeing people shape shift, they still would rather not even hear that stuff. Some are just going to bury their heads elsewhere in the fashionable ostrich style anyway until something epic happens and they are standing in the midst of it.

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: slatesteam

They don't want to prove him right.

Would lend credibility to his theories and dig the hole deeper.

Better to just play cat and mouse.

Okay. Just spitballing here, but if assets are willing to murder a dozen people to get to the guy that invented a hydrogen engine this past year at a grocery store, how would they give the guy that talks about energy fields and reptilians give credence to his claims if they offed him.

As to cat and mouse, he’s one guy that most people would turn a nose up at just for hearing his ideas. A whole continent? Really?

I mean hell, he can crash on my couch for the weekend.

Why not poison him or make it a car accident?

They took out Ted Gunderson for less crazy stone-turning.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Interestingly, no, the UK has no laws regarding holocaust denial. Many common forms of antisemitism are also completely legal, so Ike can't be touched under British law.

It as a law against "outraging public decency" as well as laws against making threats or using language that might incite violence, but Icke has managed to skirt these laws by carefully choosing what he says and the language that he uses.

The fact that he hasn't actually done anything illegal isn't really in dispute here, as you don't need to be convicted of a crime in order to have your visa blocked in the EU, they just need to demonstrate that your presence might incite other people to break the law.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
So the article I'm reading is wrong then ?

If it says he was labelled a terrorist, it's wrong.

a reply to: Maxmars

The way I see it, the authorities know that there are two opposing sides that are not really legal entities that can receive a letter from the authorities telling them not to do this or that.

Those two groups are capable of starting violent confrontations that, in an unstable situation (energy crisis and the winter closing in, unpopular decisions made by the Dutch government in the last couple of years, etc.), could lead to increased social unrest that could, again, be used by those violence capable groups.

When you know that there are two powder barrels in a basement but you do not know where they are, it's easier to avoid the entrance of someone with a lighted match than to try to keep the match from the powder barrels.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Interestingly, no, the UK has no laws regarding holocaust denial. Many common forms of antisemitism are also completely legal, so Ike can't be touched under British law.

It as a law against "outraging public decency" as well as laws against making threats or using language that might incite violence, but Icke has managed to skirt these laws by carefully choosing what he says and the language that he uses.

The fact that he hasn't actually done anything illegal isn't really in dispute here, as you don't need to be convicted of a crime in order to have your visa blocked in the EU, they just need to demonstrate that your presence might incite other people to break the law.

Precisely: He hasn't done anything unlawful and he can't get prosecuted about anything. I think you agree with what I have said in the beginning.

In a previous reply you said

Holocaust Denial is either specifically illegal or is covered by hate crime statues in around a dozen EU countries.

In Holand (Where Ike was headed), Icke cold be jailed for what he said in the UK

But the above doesn't apply to David Icke. Nothing of what Icke said qualifies as hate speech or antisemitism either in the UK or in the Netherlands. He is within his rights to criticise the State of Israel for example for the way it treats some Palestinians. He can be as anti-israeli and anti-American or anti-Russian as he wants to.

They don't have much in order to refuse his entrance. They use public order and safety as an excuse which is to be expected as pretty much any State can do so without much justification.

The "authorities" are afraid he'll spark violence.

When did Europeans become such cowards? They fought two huge wars and now this?

a reply to: ArMaP

In which case, the Dutch government should ban themselves and all the WEF and UN cronies for creating the volatile situation in the first place.

I read all of these news sources and they are based on a letter that icke published on his website, only he did not publish the letter, he published a transcription.
Fake news based on what icke could have simply made up.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Xtofury
Lots of talk in here, and i do love conspiracy theories, but i also love the truth and understand that the process is to wade through a pile of bs to find the nuggets of truth concealed inside.

If david icke received said letter then why go through all the effort to transcribe that letter to english but fail to publish images of the actual letter?

This fact alone is enough to raise my suspicions/bs filters and qualifies this anecdotal story by icke and his family member as potentially dumpster worthy.

How come nobody ever calls him out on this stuff, and if some do, is there ever any response or is it always politicking away from actually answering the question with further factual evidence?

Th conspiracy celebritie are all rife with conmen and grifters, and i think that is by design.

What this leads me to think is that it is likely a publicity stunt to keep his followers hooked in and to bait new followers with sensational anecdotal news which could lead people to believe that this actually happened and for the reasons insinuated in their own musings about unverifiable and alleged facts.

A simple search reveals this

www.france24.com...

Netherlands bans UK conspiracy theorist David Icke from EU for 2 years

The Dutch government has banned British conspiracy theorist David Icke from the Netherlands and the entire Schengen area of the European Union for two years over fears his presence could "disturb public order".

So your attempt to claim that David Icke somehow fabricated this story to enhance his publicity has been demonstrably refuted





Other sources

www.euronews.com...

abcnews.go.com...

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
The "authorities" are afraid he'll spark violence.

When did Europeans become such cowards? They fought two huge wars and now this?

It's just an excuse as they don't want him in the country.

It's the only excuse they can use as there is nothing that Icke says which is unlawful or an incitement to violence.

The Dutch Government is in a difficult position after very a very unpopular and ludicrous nitrogen gas plan cut that threatens the existence of many farmers. It was carbon dioxide now it is nitrogen, then it will be helium and hydrogen.

www.lemonde.fr...

originally posted by: Xtofury
I read all of these news sources and they are based on a letter that icke published on his website, only he did not publish the letter, he published a transcription.
Fake news based on what icke could have simply made up.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Xtofury
Lots of talk in here, and i do love conspiracy theories, but i also love the truth and understand that the process is to wade through a pile of bs to find the nuggets of truth concealed inside.

If david icke received said letter then why go through all the effort to transcribe that letter to english but fail to publish images of the actual letter?

This fact alone is enough to raise my suspicions/bs filters and qualifies this anecdotal story by icke and his family member as potentially dumpster worthy.

How come nobody ever calls him out on this stuff, and if some do, is there ever any response or is it always politicking away from actually answering the question with further factual evidence?

Th conspiracy celebritie are all rife with conmen and grifters, and i think that is by design.

What this leads me to think is that it is likely a publicity stunt to keep his followers hooked in and to bait new followers with sensational anecdotal news which could lead people to believe that this actually happened and for the reasons insinuated in their own musings about unverifiable and alleged facts.

A simple search reveals this

www.france24.com...

Netherlands bans UK conspiracy theorist David Icke from EU for 2 years

The Dutch government has banned British conspiracy theorist David Icke from the Netherlands and the entire Schengen area of the European Union for two years over fears his presence could "disturb public order".

So your attempt to claim that David Icke somehow fabricated this story to enhance his publicity has been demonstrably refuted





Other sources

www.euronews.com...

abcnews.go.com...

If you read the sources I have linked you could easily see that there are no fake news. It has been backed up by many other sources by many other members too. He is banned from going to the Netherlands.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
The "authorities" are afraid he'll spark violence.

When did Europeans become such cowards? They fought two huge wars and now this?

It's just an excuse as they don't want him in the country.

It's the only excuse they can use as there is nothing that Icke says which is unlawful or an incitement to violence.

The Dutch Government is in a difficult position after very a very unpopular and ludicrous nitrogen gas plan cut that threatens the existence of many farmers. It was carbon dioxide now it is nitrogen, then it will be helium and hydrogen.

www.lemonde.fr...< br />

Then they're still cowards because they're afraid of ideas instead of actual violence.

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
The "authorities" are afraid he'll spark violence.

When did Europeans become such cowards? They fought two huge wars and now this?

It's just an excuse as they don't want him in the country.

It's the only excuse they can use as there is nothing that Icke says which is unlawful or an incitement to violence.

The Dutch Government is in a difficult position after very a very unpopular and ludicrous nitrogen gas plan cut that threatens the existence of many farmers. It was carbon dioxide now it is nitrogen, then it will be helium and hydrogen.

www.lemonde.fr...< br />

Then they're still cowards because they're afraid of ideas instead of actual violence.

Do you remember what V said on V for Vendetta?!

Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy. And ideas are bulletproof.