'Conspiracy Author' David Icke Banned From EU, Labeled A "Terrorist"

a reply to: andy06shake

The danger lies in taking what the man says literally because the majority of such is a load of tripe.

No.... I disagree and this makes no sense at all. The danger lies in people who
could completely melt down at any time for any reason. All they need is a reason
and in they go. There is no danger in telling those who will listen an alternative
point of view. And those who venture to do so show great courage.

a reply to: Saloon

Thats ok people are allowed to disagree.

If we all thought along the same to similar lines there would be no need for the likes of ATS.

Alternative points of view are one thing.

But its when people start to introduce and substitute alternative facts in to the equation, that the problems arise.

And the fact of the matter is Icke has been know to do exactly that.

If memory serves he also claimed to be the son of God or something to the effect on an old Terry Wogan show, so there is that.

a reply to: andy06shake

But its when people start to introduce and substitute alternative facts in to the equation that the problems arise.

And I don't even have to ask you for an example of this because
he does press into some very wild hypotheticals. Can't quite see
anything dangerous in his line except for people who are already
on the edge. And they can turn up any where slapping their own
happy jack. Any ways splitting hairs so fair enough.

a reply to: Saloon

I actually think the mans got some half decent entertainment value, when taken with a large pinch of salt.

His books and the subject matter contained within is kind of one of the reasons i sought out places like ATS.

originally posted by: Saloon
a reply to: andy06shake

The danger lies in taking what the man says literally because the majority of such is a load of tripe.

No.... I disagree and this makes no sense at all. The danger lies in people who
could completely melt down at any time for any reason. All they need is a reason
and in they go. There is no danger in telling those who will listen an alternative
point of view. And those who venture to do so show great courage.

Spot on!

A classical example of this is the recent hysteria and paranoia that swept the entire world due to a virus that in most cases does nothing to most people apart from a few days of inconvenience and light symptoms.

a reply to: andy06shake

The guys an author right? I don't see him doing anything authors
haven't always done.

a reply to: Saloon

Started out as a goalkeeper at Coventry of all things.

No doubt Icke can spin a good yarn, is multitalented, and flamboyant even in a certain sort of manner.

Then again so are the likes of Dean Koontz or Stephen King and people don't go around believing the fiction they punt in our direction.

a reply to: Maxmars

Icke spreads a message of awareness and Love amongst humanity.

We know the forces that oppose this, and they are anti-humanity.

Like the dude from Google said : " There is only one right answer. "

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Saloon

Thats ok people are allowed to disagree.

If we all thought along the same to similar lines there would be no need for the likes of ATS.

Alternative points of view are one thing.

But its when people start to introduce and substitute alternative facts in to the equation, that the problems arise.

And the fact of the matter is Icke has been know to do exactly that.

If memory serves he also claimed to be the son of God or something to the effect on an old Terry Wogan show, so there is that.

I don't see why someone cannot claim that he is the son of God and that we are part of something much greater. I find nothing wrong with it regardless of whether I accept it or not.

Then skillfully switches to lizards and reptiles when he tries to criticise or even condemn the current political system and the various castes. Again this doesn't mean we agree with him.

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: Maxmars

Icke spreads a message of awareness and Love amongst humanity.

We know the forces that oppose this, and they are anti-humanity.

Like the dude from Google said : " There is only one right answer. "

The good and......the bad!!

a reply to: andy06shake

Check. For me, the issue is more the selective nature of the ban. This action is much more about the mentality within the political circles of the EU than it is about some guy who advances outrageous notions.

Someday, perhaps, the regular folk in the EU may recall the value of concepts like transparency and accountability for those in power.

Cheers

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I don't see why someone cannot claim that he is the son of God

People can claim whatever they please Asmodeus3.

But if you cannot see why Icke claiming to be the son of god or Jesus reincarnated may somewhat upset a certain religious sorts then you are not really trying.

I find nothing wrong with it regardless of whether I accept it or not.

Hardly adds credibility to the rest of his outlandish claims, to be honest claiming to be the son of God probably would not even make his top 5 mad off the wall conspiracy theories given some of the stuff he has come away with over the years.

Then skillfully switches to lizards and reptiles when he tries to criticise or even condemn the current political system and the various castes.

If skillfully is how you choose to interpret his reptilian rhetoric you should understand he's only repeating claims others have made.

Again this doesn't mean we agree with him.

He spins a half decent yarn by my guesstimation, that's about it.

Certainly don't think he is a terrorist.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I don't see why someone cannot claim that he is the son of God

People can claim whatever they please Asmodeus3.

But if you cannot see why Icke claiming to be the son of god or Jesus reincarnated may somewhat upset a certain religious sorts then you are not really trying.

I find nothing wrong with it regardless of whether I accept it or not.

Hardly adds credibility to the rest of his outlandish claims, to be honest claiming to be the son of God probably would not even make his top 5 mad off the wall conspiracy theories given some of the stuff he has come away with over the years.

Then skillfully switches to lizards and reptiles when he tries to criticise or even condemn the current political system and the various castes.

If skillfully is how you choose to interpret his reptilian rhetoric you should understand he's only repeating claims others have made.

Again this doesn't mean we agree with him.

He spins a half decent yarn by my guesstimation, that's about it.

Certainly don't think he is a terrorist.

Yes, no way this person is a terrorist or someone who incites hate and violence. I don't recall ever hearing that his gatherings turned into violent clashes between supporters and protestors.

The issue isn't about whether his claims are correct but whether is within anyone's rights to express his/her views and I think he is well within his rights to say that he wants to say.

a reply to: andy06shake
Did you see David Icke on Wogan before you read 'Truth Vibrations'?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Think it was 1991 or thereabouts when he made the mad claim on Wogan.

I seem to recall reading the book on our first ever lads holiday to Lloret de Mar(1993).

Bit of a blur the 90s now if im honest.

Why do you ask?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well mad bat # claims aside i tend to agree Ickes not a terrorist.

And as long as he is not inciting anyone towards violence or property destruction i tend to agree he should be allowed to express his views.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Holocaust Denial is either specifically illegal or is covered by hate crime statues in around a dozen EU countries.

Prove where he has denied the holocaust. Or quit making things up to suit your agenda.

Clearly one does not know how fake news propagates, members can certainly make such comment after reading all of the headlines put out there. Why would anyone trust something completely less cementing of fact than publishing of the actual paper copy of the letter?

I know some people have a low bar of evidence in believing something but that's their perogative not mine. There is so much bull# out there including from politicians and media that i would be inclined to think the only way to draw any judgement is crystal clear evidence.

Maybe icke did get banned. Then there's the question if it was for any of the reasons he claims, therefore politicians can very the ban but icke is free to embellish the reasons because he published a transcript of a letter that je could have revised himself to spice up the headlines by making them more sensationalist (just an example, i dont think i trust the aquarian/alice bailey cult even if they appear to be closeted members of it)

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Xtofury
I read all of these news sources and they are based on a letter that icke published on his website, only he did not publish the letter, he published a transcription.
Fake news based on what icke could have simply made up.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Xtofury
Lots of talk in here, and i do love conspiracy theories, but i also love the truth and understand that the process is to wade through a pile of bs to find the nuggets of truth concealed inside.

If david icke received said letter then why go through all the effort to transcribe that letter to english but fail to publish images of the actual letter?

This fact alone is enough to raise my suspicions/bs filters and qualifies this anecdotal story by icke and his family member as potentially dumpster worthy.

How come nobody ever calls him out on this stuff, and if some do, is there ever any response or is it always politicking away from actually answering the question with further factual evidence?

Th conspiracy celebritie are all rife with conmen and grifters, and i think that is by design.

What this leads me to think is that it is likely a publicity stunt to keep his followers hooked in and to bait new followers with sensational anecdotal news which could lead people to believe that this actually happened and for the reasons insinuated in their own musings about unverifiable and alleged facts.

A simple search reveals this

www.france24.com...

Netherlands bans UK conspiracy theorist David Icke from EU for 2 years

The Dutch government has banned British conspiracy theorist David Icke from the Netherlands and the entire Schengen area of the European Union for two years over fears his presence could "disturb public order".

So your attempt to claim that David Icke somehow fabricated this story to enhance his publicity has been demonstrably refuted





Other sources

www.euronews.com...

abcnews.go.com...

If you read the sources I have linked you could easily see that there are no fake news. It has been backed up by many other sources by many other members too. He is banned from going to the Netherlands.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Seemed to work for Australia back in 2019.

Apparently the controversy surrounds a chapter from one of David Ickes books "And the Truth Shall Set You Free"

One of which "focused on a global conspiracy by “Rothschilds and Rockefellers” and contained a chapter questioning aspects of the Holocaust and criticizing society for suppressing “alternative information to the official line of the Second World War."

www.timesofisrael.com...

Sorry I have not responded to some of you. You seem to have dialogue going here.

I would like to add something about Mr. Icke's actual message. I have been avoiding it.

You see, it can be mischaracterized as virtue signaling, something I don't do. I risk being maliciously characterized as an Icke apologist - because some reactionary super-sensitive person (or people) can't abide any narrative that lacks the hooks and barbs they use. (To those I would say, "Happy to disappoint you.")

To me, the most important aspect of this relates to something that has nothing to do with contents of his words. It the principle (pretentious, no?) That I might be able to "think" something and be persecuted relentlessly for saying it... that distresses me. Perhaps this is more information that is appropriate for this forum, or it may be more than you want to hear; but I too am one of those people who says what he thinks.

I am not someone gifted with star-power and charisma so, I'm used to lower expectations. Now (but it was not always so) I can accept not being heard. I'm older and perhaps more patient.

This man (Mr. Icke) has passionately pursued his path. Since nearly anything someone in his position utters will be "managed" by other publicly active players in the domain of celebrity theater - he can never expect to be reprieved for choosing the wrong metaphors, or fraying the feelings of innocents; that much is certain. He may also have threatened anyone whose activities, plans, and motives are similar or somehow analogous to the 'agenda' he theorizes about, while not 'certainly' true... it is an intriguing idea. One that the innocents need not fear.

So yeah, it's the principle for me. I think that my words are my own. I figure that if I am going to get in trouble with someone for speaking of my thoughts, they are damn well going to be my own. And not some "party," or "group," or "association," and certainly not some "government." I believe that Mr. Icke speaks his own thoughts (although admittedly heavily influenced by his theoretical research.)

His comments about Jewish this, that, or the other are peculiar to me, because there was no denigration or cultural bias within them; but certainly, the media/celebrity reaction I witnessed went over the top to make it seem it had been so intended. To me, the passionate fervor 'signaled' in the "fighting antisemitism" statements rings hollow. It seems that I have heard that kind of reaction before, it is almost never disingenuous.

Not being the kind of person who reads everything he publishes or seeks out all of his media productions; I can't proclaim to know anything about Archons, and precious little about the totality of his reptilian theory. But I do know that he is not the first, nor earliest source of such claims, both mythologically and historically. Others have also said similar things (feel free to correct me if you know me to be wrong.)

The Illuminati theory predates Icke by centuries. Frankly, I think his musings on an "agenda" are consistent and reasonable. But does that matter? Can't the man simply have something to say without the media side show? Are the offended so weak that they can't hear the words? Is the government always going to 'protect' us from bad-think? Are we - the citizen audience - such weak-minded fools that we can be exposed to such thoughts? If so, do tell who says so? Who (or in modern terms what) is it that acts as the automatic gatekeeper of our sensibilities?

And if he can be disallowed go somewhere and speak because: feelings; when might it be my turn to similarly afflicted?

Those who faced the discomfort of not having acquiesced to the vaccination social movement may know something of that fate right here at home.

But for goodness' sake - this is not about the vaccine..., let's not get off on that tangent. Please