'Conspiracy Author' David Icke Banned From EU, Labeled A "Terrorist"

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Oh he's full of kicks and hoots.

Think the first of his books i read was "Truth Vibrations" some time in the early 90s, i was still at secondary if i recall.

Taken with a large pinch of salt it was rather entertaining.

From what i can make of the guy in this day of age, he does seem to be kind of unhinged.

Especially where the likes of the 5G cellular network technology is concerned, but he don't tick the terrorist box.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Maxmars

icke might be a lot of things, but being a terrorist is not one.

a terrorist is defined as,

from cambridge,

terrorist noun [ C ] uk /ˈter.ə.rɪst/ us /ˈter.ɚ.ɪst/
someone who uses violent action, or threats of violent action, for political purposes:

so i guess the EU ranks icke up there with ol farty (putin) now that's a terrorist.
but being a huckster, selling fake phony horsesh@@ isn't.

It looks like this was a mistranslation. They're not calling him a terrorist; they're saying that terrorism is one of the problems facing Holand at this time. That's what the "level Three" thing means, it refers to the current alert level.

They're denying him a visa because he claimed that Jewish bankers were purposefully undermining the economy

a reply to: andy06shake

It appears the reason they're banning him is unclear at the moment (unless someone has a link to a Dutch government office stating why). From the OP linked article:

It remains to be seen what justification Dutch authorities actually used to ban Icke from speaking in the country, and why the ban also reportedly applies across the entire European Union.

Icke was previously deplatformed by multiple Big Tech platforms for opposing lockdown and vaccine mandates.

Some respondents to the news asserted that Icke had been banned for being outspoken against former Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte and his role within the World Economic Forum.

This is why the Netherlands has banned David Icke from entering the country… deeming him a level 3 terrorist… because he exposed Mark Rutte and the WEF plans… pic.twitter.com/lXx3iXpJ3a

— Pelham (@Resist_05) November 4, 2022

Regardless, the ban is heavy-handed and arbitrary. The EU has an, eh, "issue" with religious clerics whose views on the organization of society do not at all comport with EU ideals ... and yet, the officials of the EU are -very- reluctant to evince even basic curiosity as to what is being said, much less any motivations behind the statements.

And yeah, I get it: they prefer to avoid the social unrest that would come were they to go after radical clerics. Yet, guys like Icke get banned because, frankly, he is NOT a terrorist and won't harm anyone for being banned from the EU.



Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Your preaching to the choir F2d5thCavv2.

I dont think the Mans a terrorist nether, or anything reminiscent of such.

Just another nutter that likes the sound of his own voice, with an agenda to satisfy and axe to grind.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Ike has spent years claiming that Jewish bankers are behind everything, the main reason that he hasn't gotten people killed is probably because the far right see him as being a UFO nut, rather than one of them.

No he hasn’t, he’s said there is a cabal of globalists behind everything. Just because some of them happen to be Jewish bankers doesn’t mean he is blaming the Jews in general. But I wouldn’t expect anything less from you than to twist it so his views are far right.

You’re not fooling anyone.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

It looks like this was a mistranslation. They're not calling him a terrorist; they're saying that terrorism is one of the problems facing Holand at this time. That's what the "level Three" thing means, it refers to the current alert level.
They're denying him a visa because he claimed that Jewish bankers were purposefully undermining the economy

here is what is supposed to be part of the letter that was sent to him with " fact checked" spin on it.

your right they didn't come right out and call him a terrorist, they just said the rhetoric he uses while preaching his trash is.


translated from what was claimed that was sent to him.

The British [citizen] David Icke has been internationally known for years as a propagator of conspiracy theories. Among other things, he claims that the world is ruled by so-called reptiles, which are a group of powerful aliens that pretend to be humans. According to critics, the reptiles are a metaphor for a (partly Jewish) elite that forms an all-powerful secret world government and is active in all ranks of society. He claims that the Jews financed Hitler and that the Jews are responsible for organizing the 2008 financial crisis and the terrorist attacks on September 11.

The 56th Terrorism Threat Assessment Netherlands of 21 April 2022 describes a movement in the Netherlands that is fed by uncompromising conspiracy theories in which prominent persons, administrators and officials are dehumanized and democratic principles are rejected. For example[,] online, through descriptions such as "reptiles", "blood-drinking pedophiles", "enemies of freedom" and "defenders of dictatorship". This movement argues that there is an elite in power in the Netherlands who implement an oppressive agenda, which is at war and against which resistance is necessary. The movement is characterized by deep hostility, fanaticism and fantasies of violent vigilance; the elite would ultimately have to answer to tribunals.

Fact Check: David Icke NOT Labeled "Level Three Terrorist" In Dutch Letter Banning Him From Schengen Area Countries For Two Years

so when someone describes a duck in a letter they send you telling you your banned from travailing there , they might as well be calling you a duck.

Quack Quack.

a reply to: Maxmars

I'll listen to anything anyone says and give it a fair shake. Way back, Icke appeared to be somewhat nutty, almost comical.

But....he's turned out to be right about nearly everything.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
so when someone describes a duck in a letter they send you telling you your banned from travailing there , they might as well be calling you a duck.

If he was really considered a terrorist the Netherlands authorities would have issued an Interpol request for his arrest or something like that, and he wouldn't have been allowed to share his views online, as the letter states.

From what I have seen, it looks like the Netherlands authorities think his presence might be used to increase the tensions already present in the Netherlands, either by his followers or by his opponents, so they presented their views to the Schengen Information System, that issued a 2 year ban from entering the Schengen area (not the EU). That ban can be objected and/or lifted, he just have to present his reasons against.

So, to me, this looks like someone is trying to make this much worse than it is, to make Icke look like a kind of martyr when in fact it was only considered he could have been a direct or undirect trigger to civil unrest on a society that is already on an increased threat level.

a reply to: thebtheb

But....he's turned out to be right about nearly everything.

Like what for instance?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Conspiracy theorist=terrorist now.

The conspirators are the sole purveyors of truth now.

There's no such thing as a "level three" terrorist, but the country that he was going to has a level three terror alert. So it's probably a poor translation.

It looks like he is having trouble with immigration because he made some antisemitic comments.

Did he make any anti-semitic comments?
If your claiming that he did then prove it.

Links on the signature are not accepted as proof of antisemitism.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: n00ne

it seems to many saying globalist is now anti-Semitic, which it appears the establishment want to use as another way to enforce compelled speech and compelled thinking..

as paths go its very dangerous to start policing peoples thinking as it'll create the very thing it tries to prevent..

Yep! Antisemitism is the default position. They usually throw accusations without any evidence to support it. I wonder why Icke don't challenge them on the basis of libel and defamation if indeed it's what they have claimed.

While I strongly disagree with him and believe he's a grifter, I support free speech.

a reply to: Jeremiah33three

His free speech wasn't affected, he can spread his word by whatever means he wants, he just isn't allowed to travel to the Schengen area countries.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: Jeremiah33three

His free speech wasn't affected, he can spread his word by whatever means he wants, he just isn't allowed to travel to the Schengen area countries.

Not being allowed to travel and SPEAK in the Schengen area countries (since that's all he does is give speeches) is indeed affecting his free speech. It's ok to admit it, everyone knows. Looks like he dissed some law abusing politicians and that is what this is about. He's banned from traveling there because of things he said, and that proves it is affecting his free speech.... Right or wrong is irrelevant.

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originally posted by: RevelationFromGod
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What you have described has already happened. Anyone who spoke about lockdowns for example was branded a conspiracy theorist, a quack, a charlatan, and possibly am extremist or even far-right individual.

Of course lockdowns have long been debunked and their catastrophic consequences are now seen in the number of excess deaths and ill health from parts of the population.

As for David Icke I really like how he 'trolls' the entire world.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Not being allowed to travel and SPEAK in the Schengen area countries (since that's all he does is give speeches) is indeed affecting his free speech.

It isn't. What was affected was his freedom of movement to other countries, he can say whatever he wants.

Neither he or the organisation of the event he was supposed to appear in were forbidden from saying whatever they want. The letter states it clearly, that he isn't forbidden from presenting his thoughts online. If his free speech was being affected that wouldn't be allowed.

a reply to: RevelationFromGod

Your Guardian article is about a dangerous right wing nut-job who fire bombed an immigration centre.

So? What's your point about that?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
What you have described has already happened. Anyone who spoke about lockdowns for example was branded a conspiracy theorist, a quack, a charlatan, and possibly am extremist or even far-right individual.

That depends on the countries those people live in and how they say it.

Unfortunately (for them), most of the people complaining about those things just repeated whatever they saw somewhere else.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Maxmars

What makes "words" terror?

This is what I wonder about when I see people on Twitter saying that the site won’t be ‘safe’ if Elon doesn’t ban people for saying certain things.

“Let’s shoot all people with blue eyes…”
You ok with those words appearing on Twitter? Free speech has its limits.