'Conspiracy Author' David Icke Banned From EU, Labeled A "Terrorist"

originally posted by: Maxmars
If I may tease here, I like your analogy - "The dangers of the light bringer" (I guess it was unintentional, but fun nonetheless.)

It was unintentional.

I think this shines a light on the lack of a true formal journalistic body within our collective communities. We grew to need that in any "press" - now we have it in virtually none. Sadly, all we appear to have now are "mouthpieces," some entrenched in their ideological/social clubs, some for sale to the highest bidder, and others displaying a kind of social psychopathy that defies any kind of reason.

A couple of weeks ago I saw an article about some Spanish expert on journalism that said that the media (in general) should stop using what I would call (as I don't remember what he called it) "information trawler fishing", the method, apparently, most used today, of scanning all social networks for news and trying to be the first to publish them, without any kind of verification.

a reply to: Saloon

That's probably the main reason for their worries.

As they cannot ban a local politician, the next best thing would be ban someone that can help spread his ideas to try to reduce the apparent "weight" of those ideas.

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
So speaking the truth is now considered terrorism? That word is overused and misused just like the word racist.

He wasn't considered a terrorist and neither were his words considered terrorism.

Now I want to see what his latest posts are that would make them ban him from the entire EU!

He wasn't banned from entering the EU, he was banned from entering the Schengen area. The Schengen area is mostly composed by EU members but it also has some non-EU members and not EU-members are part of the Schengen area.

And the ban applies to the whole Schengen area because the Netherlands is part of the Schengen area and as a consequence they have no border controls between them and the other Schengen area countries. The result is that when someone enters one Schengen area country, in fact, they have entered them all, so if, in this case, Ike wasn't banned from the Schengen area he could go to, for example, Germany, and then enter the Netherlands without any problems.

The source of the ban is local to the Netherlands, but because of the way the Schengen area works, the ban needs to be applied to the whole Schengen area.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: Saloon

That's probably the main reason for their worries.

As they cannot ban a local politician, the next best thing would be ban someone that can help spread his ideas to try to reduce the apparent "weight" of those ideas.

That can't happen.
It's most likely that his ideas are spread even further and he becomes even more famous.

This is what the old-time European Freemasons have always wanted: a unified Europe where country borders are open and things like the Icke ban can come about.

I was actually really dissapointed with all of this. My peronal opinion on Icke is that he's a grifter and nothing more, milking idiots with his books and talks for money.

However, this speech was taking place in my neighbouhood and I was interested in going to see what happened. There was propbably going to be trouble with 3 opposition protests planned and a huge police presence. I wanted to see what would happen...oh well.

originally posted by: RMFX1
I was actually really dissapointed with all of this. My peronal opinion on Icke is that he's a grifter and nothing more, milking idiots with his books and talks for money.

However, this speech was taking place in my neighbouhood and I was interested in going to see what happened. There was propbably going to be trouble with 3 opposition protests planned and a huge police presence. I wanted to see what would happen...oh well.

What I don't understand is since when Icke provokes opposition protests. As far as I know there hasn't been that much when Icke speaks or when he gives his lectures that are lasting for hours and hours. I am not aware of any violent clashes between his supporters and 'opposition' protesters.

Icke knows how to capture his audience. He was against lockdowns, against Covid passports, against forced vaccinations, against the establishment, against the reptile and blood sucking elite... I think there are many who will align politically with what he says, not necessarily entertaining other less probable events.

I'm from the Netherlands.

I made a thread about my government, they are in bed with WEF. They are lying bastards. More info here.

On this page www.ninefornews.nl... you can find the speech that he wanted to give in the Netherlands.

They will surely do all they can to stop people who are a genuine threat to them. But they know that we know that. They will also sacrifice their controlled opposition in order to put people off the scent. Like they did with Alex Jones and Trump, and now Icke.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
What I don't understand is since when Icke provokes opposition protests. As far as I know there hasn't been that much when Icke speaks or when he gives his lectures that are lasting for hours and hours. I am not aware of any violent clashes between his supporters and 'opposition' protesters.

From what I suppose I understand of the situation, it's not that his lectures may provoke opposing protests but that those opposing protests are only looking for an excuse to happen, and he could be used as that excuse.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
What I don't understand is since when Icke provokes opposition protests. As far as I know there hasn't been that much when Icke speaks or when he gives his lectures that are lasting for hours and hours. I am not aware of any violent clashes between his supporters and 'opposition' protesters.

From what I suppose I understand of the situation, it's not that his lectures may provoke opposing protests but that those opposing protests are only looking for an excuse to happen, and he could be used as that excuse.

That happens quite a lot and in different settings as it seems. From David Icke giving a talk to discuss his theories to a much more academic setting when gender is discussed and protesters appear like mushrooms to defend their ideology...

Icke was banned because of wearing a shirt with a purple "shell-suit" in that Wogan video, come on, who wouldn't ban him for that??

I remember when that Wogan episode aired, Icke had got into spiritualism after his failed football and sports presenter career. He had been told he was the son of God! He went on to try to make money, rambling on about the "God-head" but that failed miserably.
He now has a tried and tested plan, he writes a book, does a few talks and modifies it with what ever conspiracy is new and popular, and does it all over again.

originally posted by: Kurokage
Icke was banned because of wearing a shirt with a purple "shell-suit" in that Wogan video, come on, who wouldn't ban him for that??

I remember when that Wogan episode aired, Icke had got into spiritualism after his failed football and sports presenter career. He had been told he was the son of God! He went on to try to make money, rambling on about the "God-head" but that failed miserably.
He now has a tried and tested plan, he writes a book, does a few talks and modifies it with what ever conspiracy is new and popular, and does it all over again.

I don't find anything wrong with Icke saying he is the son of God. He has every right to do so and every right to believe what he wants. There are lot of beliefs out there. I mean people even believed and still believe that communism will save the world. But that was just a belief...

In terms Netherlands banning him, I see no basis other than pressure exerted by mysterious activists... The Dutch Government instead of admitting they have succumbed to left wing activist pressures they are trying to excuse the ban on the basis of public disorder and unrest.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Trying to make money out of claiming you are the son of the "God-head" is wrong on many levels, and Icke has struggled on with wild claim after wild claim every since. There's also the anti-semitism.
After meeting Betty Shine (she was a spiritualist) in the late 80s, she claimed Icke had been sent to heal the earth (Icke was a member of the green party at the time) He got into shakra and meditation. It was after this he started channeling spirts, that told him he was the "son of God" and was here to fix the world. It was then he released a series of books on healing the world, and also about Jesus.

It was his book "The Robots' Rebellion" that draw similarities to "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and his use of the term Zionists.
His next book "Truth Shall Set You Free" contained a chapter questioning aspects of the Holocaust causing his publisher to drop him.
Icke ever since has adopted and adapted his conspiracies to match whats popular at the time.
Any really big demonstration here in Britain and Icke is usually there spouting his nonsence, so I think some groups in Europe think he should be denied a platfrom to speak on.

This isn't about normal left or right views or politics, I think thats all some people can see these days....

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Trying to make money out of claiming you are the son of the "God-head" is wrong on many levels, and Icke has struggled on with wild claim after wild claim every since. There's also the anti-semitism.
After meeting Betty Shine (she was a spiritualist) in the late 80s, she claimed Icke had been sent to heal the earth (Icke was a member of the green party at the time) He then got into shakra and meditation. It was after this he started channeling spirts, that told him he was the son of God. He released a series of books on healing the world, and also Jesus.

It was his book "The Robots' Rebellion" that draw similarities to "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and his use of the term Zionists.
His next book "Truth Shall Set You Free" contained a chapter questioning aspects of the Holocaust causing his publisher to drop him.
Icke ever since has adopted and adapted his conspiracies to match whats popular at the time.
Any really big demonstration here in Britain and Icke is usually there spouting his nonsence, so I imagine some groups in Europe don't want to give him a platfrom.

This isn't about normal left or right views or politics, I think thats all some people can see these days....

There is alleged antisemitism.
But nothing other than unsubstantiated allegations that try hard to defame him.

If you think you have the evidence that he has an anti-semitic sentiment then you could try to prove it here.

No. This is about some lunatics left wing activists trying to censor free speech as usual.
Icke doesn't have a criminal record and had never been convicted of for any offences or for being anti-semitic and for any hate crimes. These are just unfounded and unsubstantiated accusations.

I wonder why Icke doesn't press charges for libel and defamation. You could have made much more money then selling his books.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

"Alleged" anti-semitism???
There's this thing called "the internet" which shows all his "out there" claims if you want to go and look..
How about Ickes claim that Jewish cultists or "Sabbatian Frankists" are responsible for the Covid-19 pandemic??
And like I said, his book "Truth Shall Set You Free" contained a chapter questioning the Holocaust. He has criticized society for suppressing “alternative information to the official line of the Second World War.”
You can't get much more of an anti-semite than that.
Icke also claims that the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" isn't a Russian communist fake

From his book "Truth Shall Set You Free"

I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War… They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament

You may see everything as either left or right but this isn't about left-wing activists in Europe and free speech, this is about things like anti-semitism and inciting violence, he has also been banned in Australia for similar reasons.

I wonder why Icke doesn't press charges for libel and defamation. You could have made much more money then selling his books.

Because he'd have to prove his not an anti-semite in a court, which isn't going to happen.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

"Alleged" anti-semtism???
There's this thing called "the internet" which shows all his "out there" claims if you want to go and look..
How about Ickes claim that Jewish cultists or "Sabbatian Frankists" are responsible for the Covid-19 pandemic??
And like I said, his book "Truth Shall Set You Free" contained a chapter questioning the Holocaust. He has criticized society for suppressing “alternative information to the official line of the Second World War.”
You can't get much more of an anti-semite than that.
Icke also claims that the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" isn't a Russian communist fake

From his book "Truth Shall Set You Free"

I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War… They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament

You may see everything as either left or right but this isn't about left-wing activists in Europe and free speech, this is about things like anti-sematism and inciting violence, he has also been banned in Australia for similar reasons.

I wonder why Icke doesn't press charges for libel and defamation. You could have made much more money then selling his books.

Because he'd have to prove his not anti-semite in a court.

So again I am asking you the same question. Where is his alleged antisemitism?? Where is his hate speech??

I see nothing there that remotely suggesting he is anti-semitic.

He may as well criticise the State of Israel for the way it treats some of the Palestinians. Still doesn't make him anti-semitic.

In this particular case the Dutch Government succumbed to pressure from left wing activists and groups and it played the safe card of public disorder and unrest.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

So criticizing society for suppressing “alternative information to the official line of the Second World War.” and claiming the Jews themselves financed there own extermination isn't anti-semitic? Do you know the history of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that Icke claimed were real, I wonder?
He isn't criticising the State of Isreal and treatment of Palestinians in his books...

BBC

The Dutch Ministry of Justice confirmed the ban to local media - saying the letter had been leaked - but made no further comment.

EuroNews

A letter from immigration authorities said, "there are concrete indications that [Icke's] arrival in the Netherlands poses a threat to public order."

DailyMail

The government of the Netherlands has banned British conspiracy theorist David Icke from entering most of Europe for two years amid fears his planned presence at a weekend demonstration in Amsterdam would spark unrest.

I can't seem to see in any of the news stories these left wing activists groups you claim pressured the government?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So criticizing society for suppressing “alternative information to the official line of the Second World War.” and claiming the Jews themselves financed there own extermination isn't anti-semitic? Do you know the history of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that Icke claimed were real, I wonder?
He isn't criticising the State of Isreal and treatment of Palestinians in his books...

BBC

The Dutch Ministry of Justice confirmed the ban to local media - saying the letter had been leaked - but made no further comment.

EuroNews

A letter from immigration authorities said, "there are concrete indications that [Icke's] arrival in the Netherlands poses a threat to public order."

DailyMail

The government of the Netherlands has banned British conspiracy theorist David Icke from entering most of Europe for two years amid fears his planned presence at a weekend demonstration in Amsterdam would spark unrest.

I can't seem to see in any of the news stories these left wing activists groups you claim pressured the government?

You don't seem to have been reading the news.
I mean you are already late into the conversation. It has already been covered in the many pages of this thread.

The first paragraph of yours is a very good strawman.

Does Icke criticise the entire Jewish population or expresses hate and contempt of the Jewish nation and its people. Or does he encourage violence or any other form of aggression against them?
Not really.

What you describe above has nothing to do with antisemitism.

In a few words there is no much justification for banning David Icke. It's just ridiculous to claim public disorder and unrest due to his lectures and speeches. I can't recall when Icke was involved or his followers in clashes with demonstrators... Or when Icke was arrested or prosecuted.

It's just made up allegations after the Dutch Government has been pressured by woke groups.

a reply to: Kurokage

The translation of the letter from the Netherlands talks about "left-wing":

After it became known that David Icke would speak at the 'Samen voor Nederland' demonstration, it was visible on social media that left-wing activists wrote to Mayor Halsema, among others, to prevent his arrival. This happens more often, for example when a (extreme) right-wing speaker comes to Amsterdam.

In the past there have also been unannounced counter-demonstrations at 'Samen voor Nederland' demonstrations from left-wing activists. These counter-demonstrations received little or no attention in the mainstream media.

It is not inconceivable that left-organized persons would like to express their displeasure in a more provocative way. Such as throwing eggs or committing vandalism. However, there are currently no concrete signs for this.

In summary, it is considered that the information message from the Amsterdam Police shows that your participation in the demonstration has led to indignation among various organisations, including Jewish organizations and left-wing groups, and that several counter-demonstrations have been announced, whereby it is not inconceivable that your lead to a disturbance of public order. Reference is made to the tense relations between the demonstrators and the counter-protesters and the risk of a confrontation. Your physical presence may trigger stronger responses from the counter-demonstration. In the run-up to the demonstration, a hardened relationship is visible online through your announced
participation, including even a call for gun violence against you.