Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thanks for proving my point on the revisionism.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

How come Ukrainian war planes can fly into Russia, apparently unmolested?

Must be embarrassing for Russians.

Anyone know what type?

Ukraine has been attacking a lot of Russia's air defense systems, so like Ukraine, Russia also does not have enough air defense systems to cover everything that needs to be covered.

What's interesting is now Ukraine has drones that can fly deep into Russia, and Putin seems more interested in protecting his palaces and mansions than in protecting the borders or front lines:

Putin has ramped up air defenses at his palace to protect it from Ukrainian drones: report

Russia appears to be straining its air defenses to better protect one of President Vladimir Putin's palaces...

An analysis by the Institute for the Study of War, which noted the Pantsir site at Valdai, said that Ukraine's ongoing drone strike campaign had pressured Russia into redistributing "limited" air defense assets over high-value locations.

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"The Russian military apparently lacks the required conventional air defense systems to protect all critical facilities within western Russia and has even struggled to cover important potential targets in reportedly well-defended areas within Russia," the ISW wrote.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I see. Thanks.

So what jets was Ukraine using, didn't look like F16s?

a reply to: Imhere

Apparently, Cruise is too busy filming "Stepan Bandera: Hero of Ukraine"?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
I saw this image and the video, doesn't look like an F-16 to me either. Maybe some aviation buff can ID it, but that's not me.


Ukraine presses on with surprise military incursion into Russia

Alexei Smirnov, the region’s acting governor, claimed the situation was “under control”

I don't know how under control it is, the advances are bigger today than yesterday even though Russians claimed they stopped the incursion yesterday. Now it's hard for Putin to claim everything is going according to plan in his "special military operation", how can he explain this being part of the plan?

First off, some credit to UA for opsec here. They kept this operation quiet. Apparently not releasing “tik tok” videos and 4K announcement trailers for an offensive can actually be beneficial.

However, it’s a clear sign that the current situation in the east is going really bad for Zelensky. Because you don’t pull this desperate incursion off elsewhere while you currently have at least 5 major strategic points in Donetsk collapsing.

Look what happened by Belgorod and the “freedom legionaries”.

While the cross-border raids are unlikely to result in Ukrainian territorial gains, they could pull Russian troops away from significant battles in eastern Ukraine, where Moscow holds the momentum.

Using several tanks and armoured vehicles, the three groups earlier this week first launched an attack on Tyotkino, a small village located on the Russian border, but soon appeared to have made a retreat back into Ukraine.
On Thursday, the anti-Putin militias posted a statement on Telegram saying that cross-border assault to “liberate” the Kursk and Belgorod regions would continue “until all targets are achieved”.

amp.theguardian.com...

Not only were they defeated and pushed out, but Russian Forces are still able to hold their positions in the north by Vovchansk etc after they kept rolling forward. Which caused even more UA forces to be diverted there.

You need to establish defensive measures behind the advance. Or else risk getting rolled back over just as fast if not worse.

From anyone’s understanding, there weren’t any sufficient defensive lines etc in place to handle battalion sized incursions in the area.

So when UA forces start getting rolled back soon, there won’t be any past established defensive structures/lines around at least to fall back to/counter the RF etc.

If anything, we might be seeing an early peek here of Russian forces moving in and setting up a foothold in Sumy afterwards. Like they did after Belgorod.

Which will divert UA forces later even more, and potentially/probably risk the east collapsing further.

originally posted by: Imhere
From anyone’s understanding, there weren’t any sufficient defensive lines etc in place to handle battalion sized incursions in the area.

So when UA forces start getting rolled back, there won’t be any past established defensive structures/lines around at least to fall back to/counter the RF etc.

Denys Davydov has proven to be a much more reliable source than you. For one thing, he never claimed Ukraine had a Stephen Bandera official national holiday like you did, which is a false claim.

Update from Ukraine | Amazing! Ukraine Strikes deeper into Ruzzian Territory! Z-Army kicked out


Anyway, at about a minute in a half in this video, he claims that Russia had two defensive lines where Ukraine crossed the Russian border, and he drew their approximate location on the map with red lines. So if Denys is correct, and he's usually a pretty reliable source, it's not true that "there won’t be any past established defensive structures/lines", he said Ukraine has broken through both of them, though it looked like Ukraine only held the first one and that the second line was held partially by Russia and partially by Ukraine where it broke through, if his map is accurate.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Imhere
From anyone’s understanding, there weren’t any sufficient defensive lines etc in place to handle battalion sized incursions in the area.

So when UA forces start getting rolled back, there won’t be any past established defensive structures/lines around at least to fall back to/counter the RF etc.

Denys Davydov has proven to be a much more reliable source than you. For one thing, he never claimed Ukraine had a Stephen Bandera official national holiday like you did, which is a false claim.

Update from Ukraine | Amazing! Ukraine Strikes deeper into Ruzzian Territory! Z-Army kicked out

No need to start getting defensive/feelz. Just stating the obvious on what’s going on.

Denys Davydov was wrong about a lot of things. Wasn’t he the one pandering YouTube views during Bahkmut with “Bahkmut holds!” titles until the end?

I gave him a little credit in the last days, when he started breaking down pointing out the stupidity of Zelensky being stubborn and kept throwing UA forces in the cauldron when it was clear it was folding.

Since you brought up Bandera

Google Stepan Bandera postage stamps.

You won’t hear “Denys Davydov” talk about that. Much less about all the streets that were renamed after Stepan Bandera past years.

Which you can clearly see on Google/Apple Maps overlooking Ukraine. Type “Stepan Bandera” they’ll pop up.

On January 1, a post celebrating the 114th birthday of Stepan Bandera—notorious Ukrainian far-right leader and World War II Nazi collaborator—was tweeted from the official handle of the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament. According to reports, the tweet contained “a quote from Stepan Bandera and a photo of the Ukrainian Armed Forces chief, General Valery Zaluzhny, with a large portrait of the Nazi collaborator in the background.” After receiving a significant amount of criticism, it was later deleted from the twitter handle of Verkhovna Rada.

The tweet triggered spontaneous outrage from Poland, otherwise a staunch supporter of Kiev and Volodymyr Zelensky. On January 2, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki denounced the glorification of Stepan Bandera by the Ukrainian parliament.

On the same day, Israel’s Haaretz newspaper also slammed Ukrainian authorities for celebrating and quoting an anti-semitic Nazi collaborator. While addressing the media on January 2, Morawiecki stated, as per RT, that “no nuances were possible that would make the continued glorification of Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera palatable,” adding that Bandera’s nationalists had committed “terrible crimes.” He is reported to have said that Poland would not tolerate the minimization of those crimes.

peoplesdispatch.org...

In 2008, Stepan Bandera was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine.

The postage stamp of Stepan Bandera was put into circulation by Ukrposhta on January 1, 2009, on the occasion of the centenary of the hero's birthday. Stamp in black and red colors, on which is depicted the portrait of Stepan Bandera. The size of the stamp is 30 * 33 mm. Postage stamps were printed in 4*4 sheets of 16 pieces per letter. The face value of the stamp is UAH 1. Circulation - 220,000 pieces. Artist V.S. Vasylenko.
Envelope of the First Day of Stepan Bandera 2009

poststampua.com...


It’s “Stepan” Bandera btw. As Oldcarpy corrected me once in the past lol

More on the Kursk incursion, here:

BBC News - www.bbc.co.uk...
Ukraine war latest: Russia struggles to repel deep incursion by Ukraine on fourth day of cross-border attack - BBC News

And:

"10 confirmed dead in Russian strike on supermarket - Ukrainian officials
published at 12:05
12:05
BREAKING
In the last few moments, we've received new figures from Ukraine's interior ministry following a Russian strike on a supermarket in Kostyantynivka, in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region.

Ten people have been killed and another 35 injured, officials say.

Residential buildings, shops, and more than a dozen cars were also damaged, they add.

Emergency services continue to work at the scene, including police and paramedics."

BBC is reporting dozens of Ukrainian jets are involved and a massive drone attack on a bomber base 300 km inside Russia.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
BBC is reporting dozens of Ukrainian jets are involved and a massive drone attack on a bomber base 300 km inside Russia.

Yeah, so the independent guy I was watching on youtube called it.

a reply to: quintessentone

How can Ukraine fly over Russia with apparent ease?

Anyone know what jets they are?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

How can Ukraine fly over Russia with apparent ease?

Anyone know what jets they are?

All I know is the car guy (over there - can't find his feed now) said dozens more F-16s will be used along with drone attacks.

a reply to: quintessentone

Would they risk using F16s in Russian airspace?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Would they risk using F16s in Russian airspace?

Could they have spies in Russia that could tell them, yes, they can risk it?

a reply to: quintessentone

They may well have neutralised their air defences.

They don't seem to be working?

Looks like Kursk has been liberated ... by Ukraine , now that's what I call a special operation !

As time has gone on, however, it has become clear that Kyiv could reinforce the area, after significant early gains.

"It looks as if the Ukrainians obviously decided to back this up... and within about 48 hours they were backing it up with apparently some quite big units," he adds, noting reports that American and German-supplied tanks and armoured vehicles have been on the ground.
news.sky.com...

Guessing they could trade territories as part of a ceasefire deal.


Ukrainian Incursion in Kursk Oblast (Russia) as of August 7th 2024, 4pm GMT.

www.reddit.com...

a reply to: gortex

I had a dream that Mordor was burning.



Oh God hear my prayers!

This is not so far away.

a reply to: gortex

I think the idea is to disrupt rail lines. Making it impossible for Russia to resupply their front lines. Smart move if it works you will literally starve them out. Question is do you rip it up or try to hold it?

a reply to: gortex

Odd. According to some on here those US and Leopard tanks were meant to be toast?

Freedom to Kursk!, and that sort of thing.