Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Using your rationale we should not have intervened when Hitler invaded Poland and should have carried on appeasing him.

That's history FB. While at the same time the unbelievably bad treatment of Weimar by Britain and its allies actually led to war long term. The attack on Poland was inevitable following (in the eyes of the new experiment called Germany) an unjust post WW1 re-drawing of boundaries and insane reparations plus colonial theft.

If Putin conquers Ukraine --- Gaod forbid --- do you really think he's going to stop waging his imperialistic tendencies on other countries as well?

I think not.... so, it's time to nip that crazy bastard in the butt, while we still have the chance.
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Erno

I have no idea whatsoever Erno. Eastern Europe and the Balkans will always be a tinder box. Too many religions, to many languages, too much power play by the great powers, too much difference between the Roman derived west and the people from the east. Regardless of which it is non of our business whatsoever. If they want to fight, let them do it, like Paki's and Indian's, the Korea's, the Sudanese or Eritrean's, the list is endless. Just leave us out of it. The belief that Putin is somehow going to manage to take it to us the biggest nonsense ever believed by many. He can't even take the so desired Donbas. Honestly, whatever happens over there in a land far far away and no of our business, I'll sleep fine tonight as it has no influence of our lives whatsoever once things are ironed out in this internal Slav FSU Suez type moment.

On a lighter note Orbs forever Erno x

I try to make it my business about the war in Ukraine...even though I'm only a U.S. citizen with no military background.

I've purportedly lured down a ET alien foo fighter starship into landing in two separate instances...and I'm hoping I can do it again --- Whether I can coax them to help me scare the Russians out of Ukraine and make a lasting peace deal between the two, remains to be seen. But that is about all I have in my possibles bag --- Besides voting for politicians that support Ukrainian goals for a viable democracy and liberation against autocratic Putin's Russia.

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Using your rationale we should not have intervened when Hitler invaded Poland and should have carried on appeasing him.

That's history FB. While at the same time the unbelievably bad treatment of Weimar by Britain and its allies actually led to war long term. The attack on Poland was inevitable following (in the eyes of the new experiment called Germany) an unjust post WW1 re-drawing of boundaries and insane reparations plus colonial theft.

If Putin conquers Ukraine --- Gaod forbid --- do you really think he's going to stop waging his imperialistic tendencies on other countries as well?

I think not.... so, it's time to nip that crazy bastard in the butt, while we still have the chance.
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Erno

I have no idea whatsoever Erno. Eastern Europe and the Balkans will always be a tinder box. Too many religions, to many languages, too much power play by the great powers, too much difference between the Roman derived west and the people from the east. Regardless of which it is non of our business whatsoever. If they want to fight, let them do it, like Paki's and Indian's, the Korea's, the Sudanese or Eritrean's, the list is endless. Just leave us out of it. The belief that Putin is somehow going to manage to take it to us the biggest nonsense ever believed by many. He can't even take the so desired Donbas. Honestly, whatever happens over there in a land far far away and no of our business, I'll sleep fine tonight as it has no influence of our lives whatsoever once things are ironed out in this internal Slav FSU Suez type moment.

On a lighter note Orbs forever Erno x

I try to make it my business about the war in Ukraine...even though I'm only a U.S. citizen with no military background.

I've purportedly lured down a ET alien foo fighter starship into landing in two separate instances...and I'm hoping I can do it again --- Whether I can coax them to help me scare the Russians out of Ukraine and make a lasting peace deal between the two, remains to be seen. But that is about all I have in my possibles bag --- Besides voting for politicians that support Ukrainian goals for a viable democracy and liberation against autocratic Putin's Russia.

Yet Erno why is it our business? I ain't one of the combatants. I have no Slavic background. The war is an internal affair of the Slav's. Let them sort things out for themselves. Russia and Ukraine, no difference whatsoever bar brain washing by opposing puppeteers. I know from reading about orbs in the past they do get involved in monitoring warfare. I relish the days when the orbs can keep reality to themselves and enjoy their lives without being compromised by having human beings occupying the same space.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You mean Putin and the Russians are lying to us ??

What is this world coming too ...... !!

MAYBE TO AN END.

The Biden Admin is preparing to send missiles to Ukraine, it vowed last year to not send to Ukraine.

Would lead to US-Russia WAR: redstate.com...

Maybe time for Biden to be replaced with a MAGA-AF leader?

8 September Update

Ukrainian forces reportedly continued to advance south of Bakhmut and south of Robotyne in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not make any confirmed gains on September 8. Ukrainian military officials reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing to advance south of Bakhmut and achieved unspecified successes south of Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv).

Russian forces conducted another series of Shahed-131/136 drone strikes targeting Odesa Oblast on the night of September 7–8. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on September 8 that Ukrainian forces downed 16 of 20 Shahed drones that Russian forces launched at grain and port infrastructure in Odesa Oblast.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove line, near Bakhmut, and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line but did not make any confirmed advances on September 8.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Two updates.

The absolute floor of dead Russian military has cracked 30K

en.zona.media...

And they have lost just over 12K visually confirmed pieces of equipment...

www.oryxspioenkop.com...

Ukraine has almost cracked 4400 losses of equipment...

www.oryxspioenkop.com...

And as a reminder, come October, we are losing Oyrx as a resource. They are shutting down shop. I hope someone else picks the torch up and continues their work. It has been one of the more valuable open source resources that we have available during this war.

And I see I missed turretless when he was home on leave. Glad to see he isn't dead, as I would like no more people to be dying because of this senseless conflict, Russian or Ukrainian.

originally posted by: carewemust
The Biden Admin is preparing to send missiles to Ukraine, it vowed last year to not send to Ukraine.

Excellent decision. Good, the old fart that represents the US of A has changed his mind.

No doubt the doom mongers will say that this will lead to WW3. It won't. Russia will whine-on about how unfair it is when the bullied fights back, and their propagandists will rant and rave. But, it may help get to the end of this wretched war quicker.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
8 September Update
"Ukrainian forces reportedly continued to advance south of Bakhmut and south of Robotyne in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not make any confirmed gains on September 8. Ukrainian military officials reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing to advance south of Bakhmut and achieved unspecified successes south of Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv)."

There's been some back and forth in the gray zone south of Robotyne. The Ukrainians waited until the Russians were doing a troop rotation, and attacked during the confusion and took some strategic trenches in the area.

To the east or southeast of Robotyne, the Ukrainians have broken through some defense lines they weren't supposed to be able to break. I don't think the Russians fought back much in this area, some sources said they ran away from what would be certain death if they stayed.

So the Russian command was apparently furious and wants their soldiers to stay and fight, rather than retreat. South of Robotyne, the Russians again tried to retreat under heavy fire by heading south, but their own artillery fired south of their position to block their retreat. The Ukrainians captured one of the Russians injured in that attempted retreat. It sounds like his two choices were, to stay and die in the trench or to try to retreat south and be killed by his own forces who won't allow retreat. Explained here:

8 Sep: DIRE TIMES. Russians Introduce Tough Measures. RETREAT = DEATH SENTENCE. | War in Ukraine

originally posted by: carewemust
The Biden Admin is preparing to send missiles to Ukraine, it vowed last year to not send to Ukraine.

Would lead to US-Russia WAR: redstate.com...

Maybe time for Biden to be replaced with a MAGA-AF leader?

The stormshadow missiles provided by Ukraine have been used to great effect in destroying ammo dumps deep inside the occupied territory, but they haven't used them on Russian territory (as it stood before the invasion).

What might lead to escalation is if the HIMARS or ATACMS were fired into the internationally recognized Russian territory, but the software on the firing system locks out those targets, so Ukraine couldn't send those missiles into Russia using the provided equipment and software.

Ukraine can send the ATACMS missiles to their own territory occupied by Russia and that shouldn't result in any escalation, especially since the stormshadows didn't result in escalation. One of the reasons I heard why the US was reluctant to send ATACMS earlier was because of limited inventory.

U.S. tells Ukraine it won’t send long-range missiles because it has few to spare

The Biden administration wants to ensure it has enough ATACMS for the U.S. military...

One of the reasons the military is hesitant to send the ATACMS is due to a desire to maintain a certain level of munitions in U.S. stockpiles, said one U.S. official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military calculations.

I don't know if more have been produced? If so that might alleviate concerns about low inventory.

The ATACMS aren't cheap, costing about 1.5 million dollars each in 2022. Ukraine can fire a lot of HIMARS for that amount, which cost quite a bit less, but they have limited range.

originally posted by: GAOTU789
And they have lost just over 12K visually confirmed pieces of equipment...

www.oryxspioenkop.com...

Ukraine has almost cracked 4400 losses of equipment...

www.oryxspioenkop.com...

That almost 3:1 ratio is favorable to Ukraine over the course of the war, but more recently (about the past week or so) Oryx has been reporting a loss ratio much closer to 1:1, the change attributed to all the offensive actions taken by Ukraine lately which result in more losses than defense.

And as a reminder, come October, we are losing Oyrx as a resource. They are shutting down shop. I hope someone else picks the torch up and continues their work.

I hope so too, but that's rather tedious work so I wonder if that's why Oryx is stopping? I hate to see that resource lost, it's been helpful to see what is actually confirmed rather than pie in the sky claims.

Speaking of which, Russia went waaay over the top recently, and claimed more Ukrainian troops were lost in a particular area than even existed. There was a lot of backlash from Russian sources complaining that the Russian ministry of defense can exaggerate, but at least the numbers should be believable, and they shouldn't exaggerate to the point the numbers are so ridiculous they can't be believed by anybody. Some think this was a Russian over-reaction to try to overcompensate in public reporting to distract from their losing their "impenetrable" defense lines near Robotyne.

Ukraine probably exaggerates Russian losses too, but not that badly, and it was nice to have the Oryx resource while it lasted to get some confirmed figures; I hate to see it go.

Russia hasn’t been able to take the four annexes provinces BECAUSE the aid the west has been sending Ukraine.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Using your rationale we should not have intervened when Hitler invaded Poland and should have carried on appeasing him.

That's history FB. While at the same time the unbelievably bad treatment of Weimar by Britain and its allies actually led to war long term. The attack on Poland was inevitable following (in the eyes of the new experiment called Germany) an unjust post WW1 re-drawing of boundaries and insane reparations plus colonial theft.

If Putin conquers Ukraine --- Gaod forbid --- do you really think he's going to stop waging his imperialistic tendencies on other countries as well?

I think not.... so, it's time to nip that crazy bastard in the butt, while we still have the chance.
______________________________________________________________________________

Erno

I have no idea whatsoever Erno. Eastern Europe and the Balkans will always be a tinder box. Too many religions, to many languages, too much power play by the great powers, too much difference between the Roman derived west and the people from the east. Regardless of which it is non of our business whatsoever. If they want to fight, let them do it, like Paki's and Indian's, the Korea's, the Sudanese or Eritrean's, the list is endless. Just leave us out of it. The belief that Putin is somehow going to manage to take it to us the biggest nonsense ever believed by many. He can't even take the so desired Donbas. Honestly, whatever happens over there in a land far far away and no of our business, I'll sleep fine tonight as it has no influence of our lives whatsoever once things are ironed out in this internal Slav FSU Suez type moment.

On a lighter note Orbs forever Erno x

I try to make it my business about the war in Ukraine...even though I'm only a U.S. citizen with no military background.

I've purportedly lured down a ET alien foo fighter starship into landing in two separate instances...and I'm hoping I can do it again --- Whether I can coax them to help me scare the Russians out of Ukraine and make a lasting peace deal between the two, remains to be seen. But that is about all I have in my possibles bag --- Besides voting for politicians that support Ukrainian goals for a viable democracy and liberation against autocratic Putin's Russia.

Yet Erno why is it our business? I ain't one of the combatants. I have no Slavic background. The war is an internal affair of the Slav's. Let them sort things out for themselves. Russia and Ukraine, no difference whatsoever bar brain washing by opposing puppeteers. I know from reading about orbs in the past they do get involved in monitoring warfare. I relish the days when the orbs can keep reality to themselves and enjoy their lives without being compromised by having human beings occupying the same space.

Look what happened after we gave Hitler Yugoslavia...

a reply to: Erno86

Let me guess, appeasing that nice Herr Hitler led to World peace and it all turned out all warm and fuzzy?

originally posted by: Erno86
Look what happened after we gave Hitler Yugoslavia...

No one gave Hitler Yugoslavia. He, along with the Axis allies, invaded Yugoslavia in 1941. Interestingly, under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, the Nazis got Yugoslavia.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I wonder if these are going to be used as Anti ship killers? they come in from above a target if its a ship. COuld really screw up those ships firing missiles into ukraine.(the ukes migth tweak them because the US decided to not use them as anti ship) It s not that hard to program to recognize the ocean as land prolly.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

Yet Erno why is it our business?

That there is the conundrum. When we don't make it our business we get WWII. When then do we make it our business? When China takes Japan and let's say 5 or 6 other countries, when Russia gets the old gang back together buy taking each country one by one?

I don't know the answer either, but the Ukraine war is about 6% of our military cost with no loss of life on our end, so what is it you want to see changed?

originally posted by: Erno86


Look what happened after we gave Hitler Yugoslavia...

I think you meant the land approximated today by the Czech Republic. (Often forgotten is that Slovakia was not occupied by the Germans and became an ally of Germany.)

Cheers

9 September Update

Ukrainian forces made confirmed advances in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and made claimed advances south of Bakhmut on September 9. Geolocated footage published on September 9 shows that Ukrainian forces advanced northwest of Novomayorske (18km southeast of Velyka Novosilka) along the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border, where Russian sources claim fighting has intensified in recent days.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia and advanced in some areas on September 9.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I wonder if these are going to be used as Anti ship killers? they come in from above a target if its a ship. COuld really screw up those ships firing missiles into ukraine.(the ukes migth tweak them because the US decided to not use them as anti ship) It s not that hard to program to recognize the ocean as land prolly.

I don't know, they have their sea drones to attack ships. I have no idea how hard it would be to reprogram the software for the HIMAS/ATACMS allowed coordinates. There are probably passwords etc in place to prevent that but hackers can be pretty clever in finding security weaknesses. But Ukraine would run a big risk doing that, because if they re-program the software, the US could stop supplying missiles for those systems.

Speaking of destroying Russian ships (or not), Elon Musk has come under fire for not enabling his starlink satellites to guide the Ukrainian drones trying to attack Russian ships.

Ukraine is furious with Elon Musk for thwarting an attack on Russia's navy

The tech billionaire said Thursday that he had told his engineers not to turn on the Starlink satellite network over Crimea to prevent a planned attack on the Black Sea fleet last year...

According to the excerpts from the new biography, it meant that Ukrainian submarine drones packed with explosives lost connectivity as they approached the Russian ships, and saw them “washed ashore harmlessly.”

Medvedev was happy about that, saying Musk is the last adequate mind in America.

Former president and deputy secretary of Russia’s Security Council, Dmitry Medvedev, praised Musk’s decision not to allow Ukraine to use Starlink for the attack last year.

“If what Isaacson has written in his book is true, then it looks like Musk is the last adequate mind in North America,” Medvedevv, who has been one of the loudest pro-war voices in Russia, wrote on X.

I'm not clear if he ever turned starlink on over Crimea, but I know Musk also made Ukraine mad when he suggested they should appease Putin by handing over Crimea to him at the negotiating table. Then he threatened to turn starlink off completely since he wasn't getting paid, and then the DoD got involved. It's kind of scary a guy like Musk can have so much influence over the national security of Ukraine.

I expect Ukraine will want to destroy the Kerch bridge again, both rail and vehicle. They used a truck bomb the first time, and sea drones the second time. Russia added some defenses against sea drones. I don't know how effective ATACMS will be in attacking that bridge, we may find out.

Yesterday (Sat 9th) Ukrainian volunteers launched a giant Ukrainian flag suspended by balloons over "temporarily occupied Donetsk"

Early on Saturday morning, it was launched in hot air balloons from neighboring Avdiivka - in honor of the city's 245th anniversary.

Another significant loss for Ukraine...

Putin's United Russia party has won regional and local elections held by Russia in four occupied Ukrainian regions.

According to initial official figures. This came from the first figures published on the website of the Russian Election Commission on Sunday evening during the counting of votes.

In numerous Russian regions and in the Russian-controlled part of the Ukrainian regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson , voting ended on Sunday in elections that were seen as a test for the Russian presidential election next year.

Link: www.faz.net...

Russian authorities reported attempts to sabotage local elections in occupied areas of Ukraine. These elections were held across various regions in Russia and in Ukrainian territories annexed by Moscow.

Link: apnews.com...