Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

a reply to: Arbitrageur

well its not like they cant equip AA guns with motion sensors and vid cam motion sensors.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

I dont know i think the last thing a tan crew is worried about is inhaling depleted uranium when they slam into their tank. I would think blowing up might be of a larger concern. The aerosols will dissipate very quickly And its less radioactive than natural uranium meaning background radiation is greater.

Apparently she is clueless

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Arbitrageur

well its not like they cant equip AA guns with motion sensors and vid cam motion sensors.

I'm not sure who you mean by "they". I'm not sure what the potential range of motion sensors is, but the motion sensors I've dealt with have fairly limited range. If they really crank up the sensitivity, then they may end up shooting a lot of AA at birds? Russia apparently did try to shoot down the drones attacking them on August 29th with guns when all else failed, but apparently enough of them still made it to their targets to cause a lot of damage.

Also, that kind of automation sounds like it would take some electronics chips which Russia has trouble getting now due to sanctions. Last year the Russians were stealing Ukrainian chipped appliances to get some chips, but they haven't been able to steal many Ukraine appliances this year. Russia probably destroyed most of the appliances in Bakhmut before they took it, and they've made little progress elsewhere in Ukraine this year.

a reply to: Blackfinger

Cardboard Drones strike again !!!

Ukraine claims that its cardboard drones took down 4 Sukhoi SU 30 , a Mikoyan Mig 29 as well as 2 Pantsir 15 air defense systems and a S 300 systems

Pretty impressive if true ........

a reply to: firerescue
On reddit they show some testing and looks like they used either a cluster munition or a frag grenade..

a reply to: Blackfinger

Read article saying Uks been cutting open cluster munitions sent in by the west and extracting the cluster bombs and using them in drones

Saw a picture of Ukrainian soldier cutting open a cluster munition with a circular saw .............

31 August Update

Ukrainian General Staff and Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) directions and achieved unspecified success in the direction of Novodanylivka-Novoprokopivka (5km to 13km south of Orikhiv) in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line and unsuccessfully counterattacked in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on August 31.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I was talking about the US and most likely it would be infra red laser that can see a pretty good distance and optical as well in concert.

a reply to: yuppa

They already have the equipment needed the problem is it would kill every bird in the area. The reason drones get ignored by air defense systems is their size. The radars are set to miss things the size of birds.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: yuppa

They already have the equipment needed the problem is it would kill every bird in the area. The reason drones get ignored by air defense systems is their size. The radars are set to miss things the size of birds.

Another problem is it uses $40,000-60,000 worth of ammo to engage a single missile, which may be cost effective shooting down a half million dollar missile, but that's not very cost effective against a swarm of $3500 cardboard drones, and especially as you say if you have to crank up the sensitivity so high it's spending $40,000 worth of ammo every time it shoots down a bird, which may have the same radar return as a cardboard drone. Ukraine's attack mixed in a lot of extra drones that didn't have any warhead, so that anti-aircraft efforts would engage with those, allowing some drones with warheads to get through in the massive assault. A large swarm of cardboard drones that can't be downed with jamming would seem to be hard to defend against cost-effectively.

Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now.

Colonel Macgregor says that almost all major US media outlets like NBC News and the New York Times have reported about the war is "a lie" and "false".

That the narrative that Ukraine is a democracy and winning the war is propaganda. Ukraine is actually losing badly and being destroyed.

They estimate 400,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed compared to 40-50,000 Russian soldiers. They say many Ukrainian units are surrendering and the country is being devastated.

Colonel Macgregor warns that the war could easily escalate into a nuclear confrontation if the US intervenes directly in western Ukraine. The US should be using diplomacy and peace talks instead of military escalation... 💥

a reply to: imitator

Ukraine only has an Army of 500,000 soldiers.

Historically in war between 10-15 soldiers get injured for every 1 that gets killed.
If, as you allege, 400,000 have already been killed then a conservative estimate would be that over 4 million have been injured.
And I suspect if that many had died Russian forces would have overran Ukraine by now and Putin would be gloating like #.

It obviously doesn't stack up.

ETA.
I might have over-estmated to killed/injured ratio.
Historically it was about 3 or 4 to 1 but with advances in medical aid available it is now thought it COULD be up to 10 or 15 to 1.

The maths still don't stack up though.

a reply to: Freeborn

Right. 3 to 4 is for armies with competent medical services. Hard to say what is going on with either side in that regard, although there is no shortage of videos regarding recovering Ukrainian wounded.

Beyond that, I think we all recognize the only authority competent to determine Ukraine's pain tolerance regarding casualties is the Ukrainian government ... the opinions of people like MacGregor don't carry weight in terms of such decisions.

Cheers

a reply to: imitator

Have any of Tucker Carlson's many predictions of woe for Ukraine come true?

a reply to: imitator

Your's is the funniest post i have read on this entire thread.

I love it when someone links crap from The Kremlin mouthpiece also known as MacGregor.

More please.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

In a recent post I quoted a report that the most recent UK/US estimates are 70,000 Ukrainian deaths and 120,000 injured.
That's a frightening and sobering ratio of 1.75/1.

The same report suggested 120,000 Russian fatalities.
The same ratio would give 210,000 injured.

To give some context as far as I can tell the ratio in WWI was 1.1/1 and in WWII 2.8/1

As you say though, the only people who know the true figures on both sides are the respective governments.
And for obvious reasons neither are going to reveal the truth for some time to come.

a reply to: alldaylong

Even funnier are the sycophantic Kremlin mouthpiece comments on that video.

a reply to: imitator

Russian TV they are saying something a bit different.

Apparently Russia is not winning and they are worried about a major Ukrainian breakthrough.

Nuclear weapons must be used immediately apparently. Not exactly what you'd expect a winning country to be putting on state controlled TV.

Putin's mouthpiece admits Ukraine will win war after breakthrough, urges nuclear strike
A Russian propagandist has urged the Kremlin to launch a nuclear strike against Ukraine as Kyiv's soldiers force a potential breakthrough on the frontlines.

www.express.co.uk...

originally posted by: imitator
Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now.

Colonel Macgregor says that almost all major US media outlets like NBC News and the New York Times have reported about the war is "a lie" and "false".

Don't believe everything you hear in the media, but the irony here is you can believe even less of what Carlson and MacGregor say. Here is a fact check video on MacGregor's claims:

Fact Checking the Tucker Carlson - Col MacGregor Interview of August 21st

a reply to: JimTSpock

Similar idiots have been calling for the UK to be nuked for quite a while too.