Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Such nations don't interfere with the business of others.

Zimbabwe has sent troops previously to The Democratic Republic Of Congo and Mozambique to get involved in their conflicts.

Thanks ADL for backing me up on this one and fixing reality DRC is Mozambique is Zim's back yard. It is their near abroad. It is THEIR business. Unlike Ukraine, which is non of Britain's interest whatsoever. Stabbling Russia any which way we can.................. British style since Balaclava and the Crimean neo colonial intervention which was absolutely non of our business whatsoever

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Still hand wringing about old history?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

From a purely moral point of view, we all have an obligation to stand up for Ukraine and not let them be bullied by Russia.

But, from a completely logistical point of view it also make total sense as well. Are we really going to just stand by and allow a country which has threatened a nuclear holocaust onto us a large chunk of the most fertile land on earth?

Still brainwashed into believing YOU are a posession of the Crown? 'Mate' (in the good old Aussie wya) you ex con's need to grow a pair and start thinking for yourselves instead of following the line of Westminster. You are on the other side of Planet Earth (where we dumped our sheep shaggers and thieves) and you still think you have the right to interfere with the goings on in the land of the Slav's and more broadly Europe. LOL don't make me laugh any more.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

And you are the one accusing others of "borderline racism"?!!!!!!!!!

"Sheep shaggers and thieves"?!!!!!!

Wow. And blimey.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Firstly, Europe is by every definition in Britains back yard.

Secondly, you really think it would be in your best interest to just freely allow Russia to forcibly annex all the old USSR countries?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

And you are the one accusing others of "borderline racism"?!!!!!!!!!

"Sheep shaggers and thieves"?!!!!!!

Wow. And blimey.

Stop right there OC. We are discussing Ukraine right?

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

From a purely moral point of view, we all have an obligation to stand up for Ukraine and not let them be bullied by Russia.

But, from a completely logistical point of view it also make total sense as well. Are we really going to just stand by and allow a country which has threatened a nuclear holocaust onto us a large chunk of the most fertile land on earth?

Still brainwashed into believing YOU are a posession of the Crown? 'Mate' (in the good old Aussie wya) you ex con's need to grow a pair and start thinking for yourselves instead of following the line of Westminster. You are on the other side of Planet Earth (where we dumped our sheep shaggers and thieves) and you still think you have the right to interfere with the goings on in the land of the Slav's and more broadly Europe. LOL don't make me laugh any more.

I strongly disagree with your political stance, but at least you got a good sense of humour.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

We were, until you had a racist rant at our Aussie friends?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Firstly, Europe is by every definition in Britains back yard.

Secondly, you really think it would be in your best interest to just freely allow Russia to forcibly annex all the old USSR countries?

1 Total nonsense. Since being expelled as convicts and sheep shaggers / thieves from these isles you seem to have forgotten Britain is in the Romanized west of what (nonsensical) geographers termed 'Europe.' There is no Europe whatsover, indeed the term itself is total c*ck piss. Now I will educate you Subs.............. There is a region in the west that was colonied by Rome. We all share a similar culture, similar roads, similar language. Then there is a region in the east. They call it Europe lol! Total nonsense and BS. Everything to the east of what was Roman control in what these idiots termed as Europe is not actually Europe at all. This is the land of the Slav's. totally different. Completely disconected to the Roman area of occupation. They are to all intents and purposes people from the east. They don't look like us, they don't speak like us, they are very eastern in their ways, indeed I will state they are at the very least they are from the depths of central asia, maybe even Mongols Timur etc and YOU Sub's state these people are part of our backyard? Don't make me laugh.

2 Yes Because in the period before '91 everyone knew their place on this rock called Planet Earth. There was a genuine reality called a balance of power. Cold War games had rules. We knew where we stood. Not anymore.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

We were, until you had a racist rant at our Aussie friends?

How can one be racist to our own degenerate offspring? Same breed (unfortunately) as you and me. Maybe a larger % of Highlanders in them than you and me and that's the bastards in Westminster and their colonial activities (just like now in Ukraine) in getting involved in the affairs of others where it is non of our business whatsoever. It's just completely unbelievable how YOU can defend Westminster

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Night, night, old friend.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Night night Old Carpy my wonderous friend. At the same time I will recommend to you, please consider your state of mind. It has nothing to do with you. Your education is controlled through a state mandated belief system that has brainwashed you into believing everything the MSM has fed you is the correct state of mind. Take a step back, look at the bigger picture, think for yourself, forget the MSM. Love you forever BTW x

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Sadly attitudes like that allow some of the biggest atrocities in history. When people are suffering do to others its our duty to help if we can. And now the Aussie thing most people were sent there without trials and indeed were innocent.

This seems apropriate

3 September Update

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on September 3 that he dismissed current Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov and intends to replace him with Rustem Umerov.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations and advanced near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 3.

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes targeting Ukrainian port infrastructure in Odesa Oblast on September 3.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in western Donetsk, in the western Donetsk–eastern Zaporizhia border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas on September 3.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on September 3 that he dismissed current Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov and intends to replace him with Rustem Umerov."

Thanks for the updates.

Denys Davydov provides some insight into the reasons behind Reznikov "resigning" because he was "asked to resign" so in a way that's the same as dismissing him, though semantically it may be a hair different. What that source doesn't seem to mention is the reason, which Denys says is a corruption scandal involving him and his deputies. Davydov worries that he may not get prosecuted but may just get assigned to another position where he can't steal as much, like ambassador to the UK. More about Reznikov and his deputies is discussed at time 10:12 in this video:

Update from Ukraine | Ruzzian Reinforcements Ambushed on the south | Cluster Munition Job

So Ukraine still has corruption to deal with, as do all the countries that were once a part of the soviet union, where corruption reigned and it still does in Russia. But Ukraine isn't as tolerant of it now especially when it's hampering their war efforts. Prigozhin wasn't very tolerant of all the corruption in the Russian military either; he was often complaining that his soldiers couldn't get what they needed to fight, because of all the top military officials in Russia stealing too much.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Such nations don't interfere with the business of others.

Such nations don't interfere with the business of others for the simple reason they can't.
They don't have the wherewithal, the natural resources or the infrastructure to be able to do so.
In fact, they rely on other countries in order for them just to remain functionable and viable.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Since being expelled as convicts and sheep shaggers / thieves from these isles you seem to have forgotten Britain is in the Romanized west of what (nonsensical) geographers termed 'Europe.

Really no white collar criminals at all? Hard to believe.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on September 3 that he dismissed current Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov and intends to replace him with Rustem Umerov."

Thanks for the updates.

Denys Davydov provides some insight into the reasons behind Reznikov "resigning" because he was "asked to resign" so in a way that's the same as dismissing him, though semantically it may be a hair different. What that source doesn't seem to mention is the reason, which Denys says is a corruption scandal involving him and his deputies. Davydov worries that he may not get prosecuted but may just get assigned to another position where he can't steal as much, like ambassador to the UK. More about Reznikov and his deputies is discussed at time 10:12 in this video:

Update from Ukraine | Ruzzian Reinforcements Ambushed on the south | Cluster Munition Job

So Ukraine still has corruption to deal with, as do all the countries that were once a part of the soviet union, where corruption reigned and it still does in Russia. But Ukraine isn't as tolerant of it now especially when it's hampering their war efforts. Prigozhin wasn't very tolerant of all the corruption in the Russian military either; he was often complaining that his soldiers couldn't get what they needed to fight, because of all the top military officials in Russia stealing too much.

lol reaching a bit too far?

To try to dampen and damage control the current corrupted Ukrainian regime, is a bit much.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
DRC is Mozambique is Zim's back yard. It is their near abroad. It is THEIR business. Unlike Ukraine, which is non of Britain's interest whatsoever.

Africa's a big place that is full of a myriad of ethnicities. You must know that Harare to Kinshasa is significantly further away than London is to Kyiv. The UK and Ukraine are part of a shared European history, whether you like it, or not.

Stabbling Russia any which way we can.................. British style since Balaclava and the Crimean neo colonial intervention which was absolutely non of our business whatsoever

Ah, "neocolonialism" is the new word in Town. But what do you mean by it? I ask because Russia is being the neocolonialist here, by reimposing (or attempting to impose) their imperialist will on Ukraine. The UK is not being neocolonial in Ukraine.

And the Russian stabbing is a contrived grievance. If Russia was not prosecuting a war against Ukraine, the UK would be meekly sitting back watching the world go by.

Oh, the reference to Great Britain's involvement in Crimea several lifetimes ago is more contrivance. The Crimean War was 180 years ago was a war to stop Russian imperialism (quelle surprise)! Today is the 21st Century and Russia's still living in the past.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Such nations don't interfere with the business of others.

Such nations don't interfere with the business of others for the simple reason they can't.
They don't have the wherewithal, the natural resources or the infrastructure to be able to do so.
In fact, they rely on other countries in order for them just to remain functionable and viable.

Total nonsense, not as per usual as often you speak sense FB. Fact is Britain, the States, various supposed 'free' what geographers refer to as 'European' nations dominated by the former indeed occupied them to this day, are operating in an offensive manner akin to Barbarossa V2. From a Russian point of view the Anglo's and their poodles are taking the piss in a land grab neo colonial manner big style.