Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

Neo colonialism at its finest British arms maker BAE Systems sets up in Ukraine............................

"The British defence company BAE Systems is setting up a local entity in Ukraine and has signed deals with its government to help ramp up its supply of weapons and equipment.

BAE said it would work directly with Kyiv to explore potential partners for a plan to ultimately produce 105mm light artillery guns in Ukraine and to better understand Ukraine’s requirements.

As the UK’s biggest defence contractor, BAE has manufactured much of the equipment that Britain and other governments have provided to Ukraine as it fends off Russia’s invasion.

Britain is a key defence supplier for Ukraine and in May became the first country to start supplying Kyiv with long-range cruise missiles." www.theguardian.com...

As a Brit I can state Ukraine is totally non of our business. We have no business in killing Slav's. Just like we had no business killing Afghan's. Just like we had no business killing Arab's in Iraq. Total nonsense as per usual and completely non of our business whatsoever

1 September Update

Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence (GUR) Head Kyrylo Budanov reported that the Russian military deployed elements of a newly created “reserve army” (the 25th CAA) to enable units currently on the frontline in Luhansk Oblast to laterally redeploy to defend against the Ukrainian counteroffensive in southern Ukraine.

Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and made some advances on September 1.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast ...

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Blackfinger
a reply to: Arbitrageur
Was reading somewhere they used the cardboard ones Australia provided..

Maybe cardboard drones were used on some targets within the 120km stated range of those drones, but I don't see how they could go 600 or 700 km to targets labelled 1 and 2 in this map of the transport aircraft targets in Pskov (count is now up to 6 total damaged with at least 2-4 of those destroyed):

1,2 Transport aircraft destroyed in Pskov region, 600-700 km from Ukraine
3 Bryansk oil depot Druzhba
4,5 Tula region attacked, Russia claims it shot those drones down.
6. Crimea attacked.

Here's an update on how the cardboard drones allegedly flew the 600 km from Ukraine to the Pskov airfields to destroy Russian transport planes: They didn't. I heard the rumor 2 days ago that they could have been launched from inside Russia, but since it was a rumor and sounded a little crazy, I didn't repeat it. But now, this video says at time 2:50 that "the Head of the Ukrainian Intelligence Kyrylo Budanov officially confirmed in an interview that the strike on Pskov was indeed launched from the territory of the Russian Federation."

1 Sep: RUSSIANS IN BIG TROUBLE. Ukrainians Created a SECRET BASE INSIDE RUSSIA!!!


So maybe the launch path was something like this, launching the cardboard drones from inside Russia!?

And the title of the video mentions a "secret base", but I hope they had no more plans for the "secret base" if they are now talking about it since it's no longer such a secret. I don't know how reliable this claim is but at least we have an official source making the claim now.

We now have more clear photos of the damage. I wouldn't think a small $3500 cardboard drone could destroy an large Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft capable of carrying tanks this completely, but maybe it just has to start a fire and the fire did the rest, this plane is annihilated:


The estimated damages to Russian equipment destroyed inside Russia in just the last month are $1.2 billion, and what's worse for Russia is they can't make the Tupolev Tu-22M planes anymore. They stopped producing them in 1993, so they are irreplaceable.

The first item is 2 Tupolev Tu-22M strategic bombers and and the second and third are air defense missile launcher and and air defense radar. The last item shows 4 of the Ilyushin Il-76 transport plane, of which one is shown completely destroyed in the photo above.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Neo colonialism at its finest

British arms maker BAE Systems sets up in Ukraine............................

So you give a thumbs down to the west for installing a factory in Ukraine, and call that neocolonialism, but you don't give any thumbs down to Russia's attempt to completely take over the entire country of Ukraine, and basically enslave the entire population under the kleptocracy of the Russian regime? OK Ukrainians have some kleptocracy left over from their former memberhip of the soviet union, but they are trying to clean house somewhat, given we've seen Ukrainian officials charged with corruption. At least they have a chance to get rid of corruption as an independent state, but it will never happen under Putin's Russia, he's the King of Kleptos as Ben Browder will attest. You don't care if the soviet union returns apparently? But you have a problem with the west building a factory in Ukraine?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thanks for the regular updates and summaries, they are much appreciated.

You and Cav are doing a great job trying to keep people informed on the day to day operations within Ukraine and now it would seem increasingly beyond on Russian home territory.

So you give a thumbs down to the west for installing a factory in Ukraine, and call that neocolonialism, but you don't give any thumbs down to Russia's attempt to completely take over the entire country of Ukraine, and basically enslave the entire population under the kleptocracy of the Russian regime?

Yer man gets carried away sometimes.
He seems to have ignored the fact that companies like Nestle and Unilever have recently released plans to invest in Ukraine and build new factories thus providing a much needed boost to its economy.

Of course also ignoring recent announcements that Russia intends to build new armament factories in occupied Ukraine with the specific aim of providing arms for the invading forces and reducing obvious supply issues.

And finally, as you correctly point out, the hypocrisy of calling out the UK for alleged neo-colonialism whilst ignoring the blatant land grab and invasion by Russia with the sole intent of extending its own borders.
If that isn't a clear and obvious example of neo-colonialism I really don't know what is.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Secret base? What, now the Ukrainians are at Dulce Base too ?

Apparently, those cardboard drones can be launched by hand. The only "base" they would have needed was a place to assemble the drones, arm them, and launch them.

That claim, though, will give the FSB stormtroopers a lot of forest and swampland to trudge through in search of the 'base'.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Secret base? What, now the Ukrainians are at Dulce Base too ?

Unlike Dulce base, it may actually exist, but I'm not sure of that either. If it did exist, I suspect the fact Ukraine announced it publicly suggests it already served its purpose and is probably abandoned by now. But that attack on August 29th was apparently in the plans for 2 months.

Apparently, those cardboard drones can be launched by hand. The only "base" they would have needed was a place to assemble the drones, arm them, and launch them.

Agreed, it wouldn't have to be much. The other thing they might have done at a base is operated the surveillance drones which monitored the performance of the attack drones. They needed immediate feedback so they could see how the first small 1st wave of drones performed, before launching much larger waves after that.

That claim, though, will give the FSB stormtroopers a lot of forest and swampland to trudge through in search of the 'base'.

If the range of those cardboard drones is really 120km, then at least they have the search area "narrowed down" to that radius, but, that's still a huge search area.

I'm still waiting to see what punishment Russia will deliver in retaliation for getting 1.2 billion dollars worth of its planes and equipment destroyed.

a reply to: Arbitrageur
On the cardboard Sypac drones-
I guess it woudn't be too hard to use some of the 5KG payload bay for an extra fuel tank-but I doubt that would give it 600km range.
Heck of a lot easier to smuggle into russia in the flat packed form as well,so a "secret base" inside Russia sounds feasible to me.
Although "secret base"conjures up certain pictures in the mind(area 51 etc)-i reckon the base is likley just a derelict building or a Ukrainian sympathisers House/garage in a russian village.

Got to hand it to the Ukrainians-they are becoming adept at using simple,cheap,easy techniques equipment and strategies to maximum effect.

2 September Update

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces conducted offensive operations in the Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) direction.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas on September 2.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Well crossing into Russia is not difficult they don't have the troops to secure their borders. This is obvious when a small group of Russians crossed the border and started taking towns. The Russians actually rely on the fact that Ukraine won't cross the border. If they did they could reach Moscow but would risk the use of nuclear missiles aimed at Kiev.

As far as the secret base Kiev wants them to spend time looking for it creates panic and thats always beneficial.

a reply to: dragonridr

The thing is -- an unknown number of Russian-Ukrainians and Russians sympathetic to the Ukrainian plight are working against Russia. Sabotage in Crimea is a real problem, or so it is reported.

Seems like the counter offensive has punched through the first line of Russians defence, quite an achievement given all the mines they had to clear:

BBC News - Ukraine War: Counter-offensive troops punch through Russia line, generals claim
www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Posted by Arbi.................... "So you give a thumbs down to the west for installing a factory in Ukraine, and call that neocolonialism, but you don't give any thumbs down to Russia's attempt to completely take over the entire country of Ukraine, and basically enslave the entire population under the kleptocracy of the Russian regime? OK Ukrainians have some kleptocracy left over from their former memberhip of the soviet union, but they are trying to clean house somewhat, given we've seen Ukrainian officials charged with corruption. At least they have a chance to get rid of corruption as an independent state, but it will never happen under Putin's Russia, he's the King of Kleptos as Ben Browder will attest. You don't care if the soviet union returns apparently? But you have a problem with the west building a factory in Ukraine?"

The Special Military Operation has nothing to do with us British. We have no ethnic, religious, cultural, imperial, Commonwealth links with either side in this mafia directed inter Slav war. Completely non of our business whatsoever. Who gives a monkey's about when name the Slav's name their own region. Soviet Union, Ukraine, Russia? It's the land of the Slav's. Building a factory in the land of Slav's with the intention of manufacturing precision weapons to kill Slav's is disgraceful. Totally non of Britain's business whatsoever.

Answer me this Einstein Why aren't the Costa Rican's building weapons plants in Ukraine? Why aren't the Maltese building them? Why aren't the Zambian's building missile plants in Ukraine?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

"Answer me this Einstein Why aren't the Costa Rican's building weapons plants in Ukraine? Why aren't the Maltese building them? Why aren't the Zambian's building missile plants in Ukraine"

Because they can't? Einstein?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

"Answer me this Einstein Why aren't the Costa Rican's building weapons plants in Ukraine? Why aren't the Maltese building them? Why aren't the Zambian's building missile plants in Ukraine"

Because they can't? Einstein?

Such nations don't interfere with the business of others. They just keep themselves to themselves. They live in their own localities and don't get involved in the affairs of others, especially when it is completely and absolutely non of their business whatsoever. You don't get nosy b*stards like Ben 'interfering' Wallace in such nations.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Because they are minnows?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Such nations don't interfere with the business of others.

Zimbabwe has sent troops previously to The Democratic Republic Of Congo and Mozambique to get involved in their conflicts.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

From a purely moral point of view, we all have an obligation to stand up for Ukraine and not let them be bullied by Russia.

But, from a completely logistical point of view it also make total sense as well. Are we really going to just stand by and allow a country which has threatened a nuclear holocaust onto us a large chunk of the most fertile land on earth?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Because they are minnows?

I will class that as borderline racism

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Russia has also advocated nuking the UK so as a Brit I do have some interest in this.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Class away. I'm sorry if you are offended.

In international football terms, the likes of San Marino are often called "minnows".

Do you class that as "racism"?!!!!!