Abortions - Why so bad?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Once again what you want is absolute 100% agreement with what you've decided is relevant.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Compassion is often advisable. Some are saddled with a lot of emotions.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Compassion is often advisable. Some are saddled with a lot of emotions.

What exactly does that mean?

a reply to: Annee

No denial I notice.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Once again what you want is absolute 100% agreement with what you've decided is relevant.

I Made factual statements.
The Supreme Court is not elected and The Supreme Court overturned Roe V Wade.

You then said that they did not.

You are delusional if you get I "want 100% agreement" out of that.
Your statement was wrong.
You cannot admit when you are wrong, which is a sign of a fragile ego.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Compassion is often advisable. Some are saddled with a lot of emotions.

What exactly does that mean?

I may be wrong but I think it means that I should have compassion for you....
That you may have a lot of emotional baggage that makes you the way you are.
I find it hard to do though.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Compassion is often advisable. Some are saddled with a lot of emotions.

What exactly does that mean?

I may be wrong but I think it means that I should have compassion for you....
That you may have a lot of emotional baggage that makes you the way you are.
I find it hard to do though.

OK.

I don't have any emotional baggage.

Like everyone else who goes through crap in their lives -- I emerged intact -- lessons learned -- self-confident -- no real regrets.

You know emotions are internal not external. No one "makes you feel".

Emotions over logic is unwise.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Once again what you want is absolute 100% agreement with what you've decided is relevant.

I Made factual statements.
The Supreme Court is not elected and The Supreme Court overturned Roe V Wade.

You then said that they did not.

You are delusional if you get I "want 100% agreement" out of that.
Your statement was wrong.
You cannot admit when you are wrong, which is a sign of a fragile ego.

I do not care to argue Roe vs Wade.

It is what it is. What happened, happened.

The fight for Right of Choice has moved to the states. For now.

Really nothing more to discuss on Roe vs Wade.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

Do they really?

According to the 2021 census, 63% of Americans identify as Christian. If that's the case i find your claims highly dubious.

People governed by a belief in God rarely support abortion.

Also, i don't care for the popular opinion, just because the masses follow like a herd doesn't mean they're right. Nor does popular opinion validate anything. I think you need to consider the definition of opinion before trying to claim it can be validated.

I've had enough of the group think ideologues, there's only so much stupidity i can handle.

Let's take Italy which is heavily Catholic, for the last 40 years abortion was not only legal but the cases kept rising year after year, so your "People governed by a belief in God rarely support abortion" is fantasy.

However, with Roe v. Wade repealed, now Catholic and non-religious women in Italy are finding that doctors who graduated from the Church's Medical Schools are refusing to perform abortions for mainly one reason only, that being, so that their careers won't be affected negatively because of the stigma, but some say they still stand by a woman's choice to have an abortion.

And within all of that, women and children still have to suffer inconvenient truths that most pro-lifers feel better to keep swept under the rug or deny completely.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Compassion is often advisable. Some are saddled with a lot of emotions.

What exactly does that mean?

I may be wrong but I think it means that I should have compassion for you....
That you may have a lot of emotional baggage that makes you the way you are.
I find it hard to do though.

OK.

I don't have any emotional baggage.

Like everyone else who goes through crap in their lives -- I emerged intact -- lessons learned -- self-confident -- no real regrets.

You know emotions are internal not external. No one "makes you feel".

Emotions over logic is unwise.

What is logical about the mindset that an entire group of humans are property or Untermensch?
What is logical about not being able to admit when you are wrong?
What is logical about claiming science shouldn't be whitewashed, but constantly whitewashing it?

Simply put, you are not logical, Anne.
You can not be logical and deny objective truth at the same time.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Compassion is often advisable. Some are saddled with a lot of emotions.

What exactly does that mean?

I may be wrong but I think it means that I should have compassion for you....
That you may have a lot of emotional baggage that makes you the way you are.
I find it hard to do though.

OK.

I don't have any emotional baggage.

Like everyone else who goes through crap in their lives -- I emerged intact -- lessons learned -- self-confident -- no real regrets.

You know emotions are internal not external. No one "makes you feel".

Emotions over logic is unwise.

What is logical about the mindset that an entire group of humans are property or Untermensch?
What is logical about not being able to admit when you are wrong?
What is logical about claiming science shouldn't be whitewashed, but constantly whitewashing it?

Simply put, you are not logical, Anne.
You can not be logical and deny objective truth at the same time.

You're back to the Nazi's again? I think there's a term for that.

AGAIN -- you want absolute 100% agreement with whatever view you put forward.

Not gonna happen.

a reply to: Annee

I do not care to argue Roe vs Wade.

Yet, you commented on a post that was not even directed towards you.

It is what it is. What happened, happened.

Yes. What it is and what happened is, it was overturned.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

I put the responsibility to make positive changes in this area in the hands of leadership in government.

Which starts with the populace electing them.
As long as the populace electing them are ignorant (willfully or otherwise), there will be no change.

That's not true, the elected people in certain states reversed Roe v. Wade

You don't live in the US, do you?
1)The Supreme Court is not elected.

Notice STATES.

The SC kicked it back to the states.

And?
Did the States overturn Roe v. Wade?
No.
The Supreme Court did.
Do you live in the US?

No one actually overturned anything.

The SC deemed abortion is a state matter.

...........
By Overturning Roe v. Wade.
...........

To overturn:
abolish, invalidate, or reverse (a previous system, decision, situation, etc.).
"the results overturned previous findings"
www.google.com...

Can we move beyond the nit picking?

Can you, for once, admit you are wrong?

Compassion is often advisable. Some are saddled with a lot of emotions.

What exactly does that mean?

I may be wrong but I think it means that I should have compassion for you....
That you may have a lot of emotional baggage that makes you the way you are.
I find it hard to do though.

OK.

I don't have any emotional baggage.

Like everyone else who goes through crap in their lives -- I emerged intact -- lessons learned -- self-confident -- no real regrets.

You know emotions are internal not external. No one "makes you feel".

Emotions over logic is unwise.

What is logical about the mindset that an entire group of humans are property or Untermensch?
What is logical about not being able to admit when you are wrong?
What is logical about claiming science shouldn't be whitewashed, but constantly whitewashing it?

Simply put, you are not logical, Anne.
You can not be logical and deny objective truth at the same time.

You're back to the Nazi's again? I think there's a term for that.

AGAIN -- you want absolute 100% agreement with whatever view you put forward.

Not gonna happen.

If you have a better word, we can use it.
Untermensch, fits the bill nicely though.

a reply to: Annee

AGAIN -- you want absolute 100% agreement with whatever view you put forward.

Actually, no.
I would just like someone to debate facts instead of using demented feelz and faith based illogical arguments.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

Do they really?

According to the 2021 census, 63% of Americans identify as Christian. If that's the case i find your claims highly dubious.

People governed by a belief in God rarely support abortion.

Also, i don't care for the popular opinion, just because the masses follow like a herd doesn't mean they're right. Nor does popular opinion validate anything. I think you need to consider the definition of opinion before trying to claim it can be validated.

I've had enough of the group think ideologues, there's only so much stupidity i can handle.

Let's take Italy which is heavily Catholic, for the last 40 years abortion was not only legal but the cases kept rising year after year, so your "People governed by a belief in God rarely support abortion" is fantasy.

However, with Roe v. Wade repealed, now Catholic and non-religious women in Italy are finding that doctors who graduated from the Church's Medical Schools are refusing to perform abortions for mainly one reason only, that being, so that their careers won't be affected negatively because of the stigma, but some say they still stand by a woman's choice to have an abortion.

And within all of that, women and children still have to suffer inconvenient truths that most pro-lifers feel better to keep swept under the rug or deny completely.

Here are a few inconvenient truths the Pro-Death people don't like:
*Abortion has become a form of birth control.
*Each human beings life cycle starts at conception.
*Choices have consequences and an innocent human being should not be put to death because of someones else's bad choice.
*Pro-Death people constantly stand on the shoulders of the few (ie rape, mothers life in danger) to keep abortion as a form of birth control.
Oh and:
*Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience in 99% of cases.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee

AGAIN -- you want absolute 100% agreement with whatever view you put forward.

Actually, no.
I would just like someone to debate facts instead of using demented feelz and faith based illogical arguments.

We're on page 79.

All your questions have been responded to. You just don't like the response.

Unless you come up with something new -- there is nothing more to say.

a reply to: quintessentone

Worldwide abortion rate is around 40 per 1000 women. In Italy it’s 6 per 1000 women.

0.6% of women in Italy aged between 19 and 49 have an abortion.

Don’t let facts get in the way of your BS.

The vast majority of women never have an abortion, only a tiny percentage. Even less think it’s somehow a morally virtuous act.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

Do they really?

According to the 2021 census, 63% of Americans identify as Christian. If that's the case i find your claims highly dubious.

People governed by a belief in God rarely support abortion.

Also, i don't care for the popular opinion, just because the masses follow like a herd doesn't mean they're right. Nor does popular opinion validate anything. I think you need to consider the definition of opinion before trying to claim it can be validated.

I've had enough of the group think ideologues, there's only so much stupidity i can handle.

Let's take Italy which is heavily Catholic, for the last 40 years abortion was not only legal but the cases kept rising year after year, so your "People governed by a belief in God rarely support abortion" is fantasy.

However, with Roe v. Wade repealed, now Catholic and non-religious women in Italy are finding that doctors who graduated from the Church's Medical Schools are refusing to perform abortions for mainly one reason only, that being, so that their careers won't be affected negatively because of the stigma, but some say they still stand by a woman's choice to have an abortion.

And within all of that, women and children still have to suffer inconvenient truths that most pro-lifers feel better to keep swept under the rug or deny completely.

Here are a few inconvenient truths the Pro-Death people don't like:
*Abortion has become a form of birth control.
*Each human beings life cycle starts at conception.
*Choices have consequences and an innocent human being should not be put to death because of someones else's bad choice.
*Pro-Death people constantly stand on the shoulders of the few (ie rape, mothers life in danger) to keep abortion as a form of birth control.
Oh and:
*Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience in 99% of cases.

And with pro-lifers and religion-guided politics the abortions will not be reduced until services and programs are provided to assist some women who would otherwise not abort if given childcare and a way to succeed and be a mother. What about child poverty?

Children in unmarried, female-headed households are more likely to experience poverty

www.americanprogress.org...

Inconvenient truths for your leaders.