Abortions - Why so bad?

a reply to: Quadrivium

The photo of the acorn is an OAK at the BEGINNING of it's life cycle.

Nope. It's a potential Oak Tree. It's most likely never even going to root or sprout, let alone achieve "treeness".

The picture of the human embryo, is a picture of a human being at the BEGINNING of their life-cycle.

It's a picture of a human zygote, a potential human being.

Like I said, this isn't a biological argument. It's all "human", as opposed to zebras. It's a philosophical argument, and it depends on "personhood".

a reply to: Annee

You just compared an unborn human being to a parasite.

Says it all really.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

You just compared an unborn human being to a parasite.

Says it all really.

Actually, I didn't: "they are a clump of cells like a parasite that can't exist without its host".

But close enough: an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

a reply to: Annee

So you did but you didn’t. You’re all over the place. How can anyone take you seriously with such a disgusting outlook. There’s only one parasite around here and it isn’t the innocent unborn children that you advocate for murdering.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

What seems hypocritical to me is that through our taxes to government and government spending it on war, aren't we all guilty of condoning death of other human beings to some degree?

Did you personally premeditate the killing of an individual human being, for your own convenience, in any war?

Premeditation is not the issue, the guaranteed killing of people for your and your government's convenience or whatever justification they conjure up is. Isn't the government's intention to use tax money for war and killing premeditated?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Nope. It's a potential Oak Tree. It's most likely never even going to root or sprout, let alone achieve "treeness".

Nope. It is an oak. If it dies between that point and adulthood, it died a natural death.
Death is part of the life-cycle. Premeditated killing shouldn't be.

Like I said, this isn't a biological argument. It's all "human", as opposed to zebras. It's a philosophical argument, and it depends on "personhood".

Still you are as lost as last years Easter Egg.....
I will try and simplify it for you:

It may all be human but there is a distinct difference in a human gamete and a human zygote.
Mainly being, one is a human cell the other is a human being.
There are millions of human cells in YOUR body. But the ONLY time you will EVER have a diploid cell in your body is when you become pregnant.
Then that zygote, that little human being just starting its life cycle, will start producing human cells, distinct from yours because they are a separate entity, an individual human being.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

What seems hypocritical to me is that through our taxes to government and government spending it on war, aren't we all guilty of condoning death of other human beings to some degree?

Did you personally premeditate the killing of an individual human being, for your own convenience, in any war?

Premeditation is not the issue, the guaranteed killing of people for your and your government's convenience or whatever justification they conjure up is. Isn't the government's intention to use tax money for war and killing premeditated?

Abortion is the premeditated, violent killing of another human being for convenience, in 99% of cases. This violent killing is premeditated by one or two people, directly connected to the victim.

Abortion is a choice. And men want to take this choice from women. Patriarchate must die.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Then that zygote, that little human being just starting its life cycle, will start producing human cells, distinct from yours because they are a separate entity, an individual human being.

If they're a separate entity, distinctly separate from the body of the woman wanting or needing an abortion, then they can go take up residence somewhere else! Just move the little fella out of there. Find another place for them to live.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

What seems hypocritical to me is that through our taxes to government and government spending it on war, aren't we all guilty of condoning death of other human beings to some degree?

Did you personally premeditate the killing of an individual human being, for your own convenience, in any war?

Premeditation is not the issue, the guaranteed killing of people for your and your government's convenience or whatever justification they conjure up is. Isn't the government's intention to use tax money for war and killing premeditated?

Abortion is the premeditated, violent killing of another human being for convenience, in 99% of cases. This violent killing is premeditated by one or two people, directly connected to the victim.

Abortion and war are both forms of legalized killing why make one illegal and not the other? Murder is murder, is it not? Hypocritical stance, I must say.

originally posted by: demurebaguette
Abortion is a choice. And men want to take this choice from women. Patriarchate must die.

OK. Kill the patriarchate, not other humans.
Abortion is a choice......
I guess you're right.
Violent murderers make the choice to kill people everyday.
The only difference is:

Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of another human being.

Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience, in 99% of cases.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

Then that zygote, that little human being just starting its life cycle, will start producing human cells, distinct from yours because they are a separate entity, an individual human being.

If they're a separate entity, distinctly separate from the body of the woman wanting or needing an abortion, then they can go take up residence someplace else! Just move the little fella out of there. Find another place for them to live.

You still have no argument.
Abortion is the premeditated, violent killing of another human being for convenience in 99% of cases.

The embryonic, fetal, infant, child and adolescent stages are stages of development of a determinate and enduring entity -- a human being -- who comes into existence as a zygote and develops by a gradual and gapless process into adulthood many years later.

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

What seems hypocritical to me is that through our taxes to government and government spending it on war, aren't we all guilty of condoning death of other human beings to some degree?

Did you personally premeditate the killing of an individual human being, for your own convenience, in any war?

Premeditation is not the issue, the guaranteed killing of people for your and your government's convenience or whatever justification they conjure up is. Isn't the government's intention to use tax money for war and killing premeditated?

Abortion is the premeditated, violent killing of another human being for convenience, in 99% of cases. This violent killing is premeditated by one or two people, directly connected to the victim.

Abortion and war are both forms of legalized killing why make one illegal and not the other? Murder is murder, is it not? Hypocritical stance, I must say.

Hypocritical??
The very fact you are comparing abortion to war is moronic, at best.

Did YOU make a free and willful choice that lead to a war?

a reply to: Quadrivium

Abortion is the premeditated, violent killing of another human being for convenience in 99% of cases.

Meh...
Let's call it the eviction of an unwanted "entity" from a woman's body. Or, we could call it castle doctrine self-defense.

I don't care about your biology worship. Women know what they're doing when they go get abortions. They know exactly what they're aborting and why. The issue is philosophical, it's about personal ethics and reflects one's personal morality.

This isn't a biological issue, it's philosophical issue. You just can't wrap your head about the philosophical implications of your slavish biology worship on society. So, you just keep screaming "Murder!" into the void.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

Abortion is the premeditated, violent killing of another human being for convenience in 99% of cases.

Meh...
Let's call it the eviction of an unwanted "entity" from a woman's body. Or, we could call it castle doctrine self-defense.

I don't care about your biology worship. Women know what they're doing when they go get abortions. They know exactly what they're aborting and why. The issue is philosophical, it's about personal ethics and reflects one's personal morality.

This isn't a biological issue, it's philosophical issue. You just can't wrap your head about the philosophical implications of your slavish biology worship on society. So, you just keep screaming "Murder!" into the void.

So, you have gone from saying it isn't a human being to admitting you know it is a human being, but don't care.
You are admitting that you have the same warped mindset as all others who committed genocide.
You know you are advocating the killing of human beings but you don't care.
I did not bring Bible verses for you to attack so you attack the science.

So, now it is philosophical....
You may have wanted to look that word up before using it as an argument...
It is the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence.
Knowledge- Science tells us the zygote is a human being.
Reality- It can be proven that the zygote is a human being, regardless of "beliefs".
Existence- It can be shown and proven that the "existence", being studied in philosophy, starts at the moment of conception.
So not only are you a science denier, you are anti philosophical....
Good job!!

Again, would you kill a toddler?
The unborn is a living individual of the species Homo sapiens, the same kind of being as us, only at an earlier stage of development. Each of us was once a zygote, embryo, and fetus, just as we were once infants, toddlers, and adolescents.

Regardless of your backwards beliefs.

a reply to: Quadrivium

We are all making free choices for war to kill people by allowing our taxes to go to war. Are you saying your taxes don't pay for the killing machine to work?

We are genetically predisposed to kill each other: "The researchers compiled data on lethal violence within 1,024 species of mammals, and the results verify my description of us. The analysis shows that deaths caused by other members of the same species is responsible for 0.3 percent of all deaths on average for all mammals, but the rate of lethal violence among Homo sapiens is 7 times higher. Together with our primate ancestors, we stand out as aberrations in our penchant to kill our own kind.

The reasons can be traced back to our primate ancestors, which are exceptionally violent creatures, killing each other at a rate of 2.3 percent like we do. These data indicate that the incessant repetition throughout recorded history and in prehistoric times of murder and war among all cultures of human beings has its roots in our evolutionary stalk."

www.psychologytoday.com...

a reply to: quintessentone
Did you make a free and willful choice that LED to a war?

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone
Did you make a free and willful choice that LED to a war?

We all did indirectly through letting our governments wage war from our hard-earned money a.k.a. taxes. It seems it's been and still is our human nature to kill each other.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone
Did you make a free and willful choice that LED to a war?

We all did indirectly through letting our governments wage war from our hard-earned money a.k.a. taxes. It seems it's been and still is our human nature to kill each other.

Again,
Did you or have you ever made a FREE and WILLFUL choice the led DIRECTLY to a war?
DID you start the war.
How can you possibly make the leap that abortion=paying taxes=war
*Abortion (in 99% of cases)- Two people make a choice. They both are aware that choices have consequences. They freely and willfully choose to go through with their choice.
Not happy with the choice? Kill an innocent human being.
*Paying taxes- legalized extortion.
*War- Armed conflict between governments.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone
Did you make a free and willful choice that LED to a war?

We all did indirectly through letting our governments wage war from our hard-earned money a.k.a. taxes. It seems it's been and still is our human nature to kill each other.

Again,
Did you or have you ever made a FREE and WILLFUL choice the led DIRECTLY to a war?
DID you start the war.
How can you possibly make the leap that abortion=paying taxes=war
*Abortion (in 99% of cases)- Two people make a choice. They both are aware that choices have consequences. They freely and willfully choose to go through with their choice.
Not happy with the choice? Kill an innocent human being.
*Paying taxes- legalized extortion.
*War- Armed conflict between governments.

Both are legalized killing and the war 'killing' machine is funded by all of us. Also killing in self-defense is a form a legalized killing - shoot first ask questions later. War = armed conflict between governments with or without the people's consent.