Abortions - Why so bad?

a reply to: Quadrivium

Sexual intercourse between two people, of the opposite sex, with healthy reproductive systems, IS the PRIMARY way we exercise our reproduction rights.

No, it isn't. That's like saying using your vocal cords is the primary way people exercise their freedom of speech.

Punishment refers to retribution for a wrongful act.

Historically, society has punished people for having [wrongful] sex, even to the point of applying the death penalty. Fornicators and adulterers weren't put to death for exercising their "reproductive rights".

Consequence refers to the outcome that result from your behavior.

Forcing women to carry untenable pregnancies when there are other medical solutions available is punishment.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee

That ALL LIVING CHILDREN are fed, housed, loved, educated, healthy, etc.

Wait, even if they can't remember being born?
Or their first birthday?
Or their second birthday?
I can't remember being three.....
Was I "alive", by your demented standards?

Please tell me what you remember about your pre-birth life.

That is what I am telling you Anne....I do not remember any of my life before the age of 3 or 4.
Did that make me less human?

Tell me what you remember about the first 2 to 3 years, after you were born?
Does that make you less human?
Less alive?
Would have been right to kill you, because you wouldn't remember it?

You are living in a bubble. All that matters to you, like all those of similar mindsets throughout the ages, is your beliefs.
You believe human beings are property.
You are wrong.
You believe some humans are "Untermensch", that they are inferior or less than human based solely on your beliefs alone.
You are wrong.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

No, it isn't. That's like saying using your vocal cords is the primary way people exercise their freedom of speech.

Our vocal cords are the PRIMARY way we communicate, just as heterosexual sex is the PRIMARY way we reproduce.
Are there other sexual acts?
Yes.
Are there other ways to communicate?
Yes.
Your analogy is lacking.

Historically, society has punished people for having [wrongful] sex, even to the point of applying the death penalty. Fornicators and adulterers weren't put to death for exercising their "reproductive rights".

SO?
How does that change the fact you are confusing Consequence with punishment, intentionally.

Forcing women to carry untenable pregnancies when there are other medical solutions available is punishment.

What medical solution, that does not end in the premeditated death of another human being?
A human being, that in 99% of abortion cases, was the consequence of a couples willful CHOICE to exercise their reproductive RIGHTS?
It is not punishment when it was freely chosen.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

Sexual intercourse between two people, of the opposite sex, with healthy reproductive systems, IS the PRIMARY way we exercise our reproduction rights.

No, it isn't. That's like saying using your vocal cords is the primary way people exercise their freedom of speech.

Punishment refers to retribution for a wrongful act.

Historically, society has punished people for having [wrongful] sex, even to the point of applying the death penalty. Fornicators and adulterers weren't put to death for exercising their "reproductive rights".

Consequence refers to the outcome that result from your behavior.

Forcing women to carry untenable pregnancies when there are other medical solutions available is punishment.

And here's another example of how detrimental this can be.

Fetus dying, woman denied abortion

a reply to: frogs453

Ok.
Let's work together to stop the overwhelming majority of abortions for convenience and we can then tackle the ultra small percentage of others.

Abortion, in 99% of cases, is the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Our vocal cords are the PRIMARY way we communicate

Not even close. Not one person in this thread is communicating with their vocal cords. Even so, using our vocal cords is not equal to exercising our freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is more than that, just as reproductive freedom is way more than just having sex.

What medical solution, that does not end in the premeditated death of another human being?

A zygote, an embryo a pre-viable fetus is not an individual, sentient, autonomous human being. Its potential is not worthy of rights above and beyond the rights of person whose body is unwillingly housing it.

a reply to: Quadrivium

As stated before -- I have had an abortion.

I would make the same decision again today under the same circumstances.

I would have been pissed as Hell if I had not had the right to make that decision.

It's no one else's business.

I will continue to fight for every woman's right to autonomy.

Anything you say or believe can take the next ride elsewhere.

a reply to: Sookiechacha
I think you have a problem with words.....
You clearly do not understand the difference between the terms "fact" and "opinion" either.

a reply to: Annee

Yes Anne, it is other people's business.
I am sure your kindred spirits, Nazi's and slavers, wanted others to butt out as well.

I, for one, am glad others didn't.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee

Yes Anne, it is other people's business.
I am sure your kindred spirits, Nazi's and slavers, wanted others to butt out as well.

I, for one, am glad others didn't.

Not interested in your nonsense.

You can move along now.

a reply to: Annee

You know it's true.
You think an entire group of human beings are "less".
You believe and entire group of humans are "property".
You can move along.
Yourt ype of thinking is outdated and barbaric.
It is the exact same mindset held by slavers and Nazi's.
You know it.
You know it is wrong.
You do not care.
It has got to be about YOU and YOUR feelz.
Selfishness.

Keep denying facts.
Seriously, we both know that, eventually, your POV, your outlook, will come down on the wrong side of history.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Your type of thinking is outdated and barbaric.

It isn't. The entire western civilized world allows for abortion on demand up to a point. Even Lindsey Graham is promoting ...how do you put it....the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience for 15 weeks.

Not only that, but the EU subsidizes the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience, through its universal health care.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee

You know it's true.
You think an entire group of human beings are "less".
You believe and entire group of humans are "property".
You can move along.
Yourt ype of thinking is outdated and barbaric.
It is the exact same mindset held by slavers and Nazi's.
You know it.
You know it is wrong.
You do not care.
It has got to be about YOU and YOUR feelz.
Selfishness.

Keep denying facts.
Seriously, we both know that, eventually, your POV, your outlook, will come down on the wrong side of history.

You are a broken record.

I'm not interested in what you keep posting.

a reply to: Annee

My Grandad can’t remember what he did for lunch or his own childrens faces. We’re considering chopping his arms and legs off while he’s still alive and flushing him down the toilet.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

Your type of thinking is outdated and barbaric.

It isn't. The entire western civilized world allows for abortion on demand up to a point. Even Lindsey Graham is promoting ...how do you put it....the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience for 15 weeks.

Not only that, but the EU subsidizes the premeditated killing of another human being for convenience, through its universal health care.

What is your point?
Most of the "Civilized" World once thought slavery was acceptable, that an entire group of human beings were "less than human" and considered them to be Property.
Your way of thinking, like Anne's, is outdated and barbaric.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee

You know it's true.
You think an entire group of human beings are "less".
You believe and entire group of humans are "property".
You can move along.
Yourt ype of thinking is outdated and barbaric.
It is the exact same mindset held by slavers and Nazi's.
You know it.
You know it is wrong.
You do not care.
It has got to be about YOU and YOUR feelz.
Selfishness.

Keep denying facts.
Seriously, we both know that, eventually, your POV, your outlook, will come down on the wrong side of history.

You are a broken record.

I'm not interested in what you keep posting.

That is because you do not like the truth.
You can not refute it, all you can do is stick your fingers in your ears, like a child, and shout "I'M NOT LISTENING".

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee

You know it's true.
You think an entire group of human beings are "less".
You believe and entire group of humans are "property".
You can move along.
Yourt ype of thinking is outdated and barbaric.
It is the exact same mindset held by slavers and Nazi's.
You know it.
You know it is wrong.
You do not care.
It has got to be about YOU and YOUR feelz.
Selfishness.

Keep denying facts.
Seriously, we both know that, eventually, your POV, your outlook, will come down on the wrong side of history.

You are a broken record.

I'm not interested in what you keep posting.

That is because you do not like the truth.
You can not refute it, all you can do is stick your fingers in your ears, like a child, and shout "I'M NOT LISTENING".

Who's truth?

The only real truth here is mine. I'm the only one that's come forward who's actually had this experience.

All you have is self-righteous dribble.

My truth is and always will be women's right to autonomy.

a reply to: Quadrivium

What is your point?

That your stance is outdated and misogynous.

a reply to: Annee

The only real truth here is mine. I'm the only one that's come forward who's actually had this experience.

And there in is the root of the problem.
There is a huge difference between "your truth" and "THE truth".
When someone uses the phrase "My truth" or "your truth" they are talking about subjective truth.
It is solely based on their feelz and outlook. That doesn't mean it is THE truth.
THE truth is objective. It is true, no matter your feelz. It is based in reality and it is true for everyone, whether they agree or not.

All you have is self-righteous dribble.

So, to you, anyone that states the objective truth is being "self-righteous"?

Have you ever stopped to think:
1) You are the one being self-righteous? Your attitude and weak arguments better fit the definition. You speak unfounded certainty and think you are totally correct.
2) That you may suffer from whats called 'psychological rigidity', because your ego is so tender you can't admit you are wrong?
3) Your mindset, towards a entire group of human beings, is the same mindset we have seen throughout history by those who committed the greatest atrocities?

My truth is and always will be women's right to autonomy.

Your truth is based on feelz, as I have already shown you.
The woman, as well as the man, have the right to autonomy. They used that right to work together to reproduce another human being (in 99% of cases).
You do not want the "right to autonomy" or the "right to choose". You want the right to take another human beings life.
Those are objective facts.