It's About To Go Down...

Also apparently Josep Borell said: "The military stocks of most member states have been depleted in high portions, because we have been providing a lot of capacity to Ukrainians".

Oh oh... that's not good folks and Ukrainians are being strongly advised to be economical, but they don't seem to be listening and just shelling the Eastern region continuously.

I don't know about you but it seems like Ukraine is going to run out soon and good old NATO and Murkia won't be shipping stuff soon due to the shortages. So to put it bluntly what if this is the goal of Putin? Hmm... something is definitely up!

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Ukraine ain't the country fielding tanks from 1960 on the battlefield.

H I N T

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Ukraine ain't the country fielding tanks from 1960 on the battlefield.

H I N T

Cheers

What's more strategic? To field old tanks or to field new tanks to deplete the weapon reserve of the enemy?

a reply to: WanderingMrM

It is a great way to get tank crews wiped out on the modern battlefield.

Cheers

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Ukraine ain't the country fielding tanks from 1960 on the battlefield.

H I N T

Cheers

What's more strategic? To field old tanks or to field new tanks to deplete the weapon reserve of the enemy?

I think you are right, but between our own media, the events in Ukraine so far and Putins handling of it, I feel like he is either holding his cards too close to this body or they don't actually have those newer weapons in sufficient amounts to present a real danger or ability to change the outcome.

It also totally depends on the Russian people's perception of the events, which we only have few accounts off (that don't feel like western propaganda).

We forget that everyone are different. We have different values and things or ideals we take for granted may not necessarily be shared by those who oppose us or even those who we think we need to "save".

If the Russians have accurate accounts of the downfall of the Russian army, chances are that this will affect the reserves morale. I don't understand why Putin don't see this... or maybe he is inspired by Stalin who would kill anyone moving forward on the battlefield.

But regardless, we still have to wait and see if there is really any fighting force left in Russia, over the course of the next weeks.

If Putin desires to remain in power, he cannot accept a defeat in Ukraine. Even just the events so far, would be enough to question his leadership ability. The man has lost it...

Therefore I think Putin is done being president in Russia. Will that be enough to make him crash the entire house of cards along with himself? That's a question I don't believe anyone can answer... People change over time.

The closer you get towards end of life, the more free you are to make rash decisions.

a reply to: flice

My concern is that Ukrainians are taking the victories too lightly, they pushed Russians back and what no one is paying attention to is that Russians are most likely using Zhukov's strategy like they did with the Germans under Moscow.

They keep pushing each line backward, Russians hit them hard during the push and retreat to the new line, then repeat it again and again. Until you got to the line where there is a combined force of a brutal fist waiting to cave your face in, it is an old strategy but it is a proven one.

And the closer they are getting to the new line the closer they are getting to the tanks, artillery, jets, planes, helicopters and what is now estimated 1,200,000 - 2,000,000 troops that are reinforcing the new line awaiting the arrival of Ukrainians.

So we might all be saying Russia is being defeated and losing the war, no no ladies and gents Russia was being humiliated with those pushes that Ukrainians did.

What happens once the supplies of Ukrainians actually do start to wither and they now meet an immovable force of what can only be considered a sledgehammer?

This is what is really concerning the free reign Putin and Russian General HQ have been giving the Ukrainians with these 3 pushes. Now the Russian factories are mass producing at 6x the output which is a big room for concern as this sort of production was seen during WW2 right before the Germans had their teeth kicked in.

I wouldn't be celebrating Ukraine's victory too soon, because there are a number of things that have not been answered and the equations do not add up at all!

a reply to: WanderingMrM

What's more strategic? To field old tanks or to field new tanks to deplete the weapon reserve of the enemy?

It's a rather piss poor strategy if the old tanks are proving relatively unsuccessful and as has been pointed out tank crews are getting killed.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: WanderingMrM

What's more strategic? To field old tanks or to field new tanks to deplete the weapon reserve of the enemy?

It's a rather piss poor strategy if the old tanks are proving relatively unsuccessful and as has been pointed out tank crews are getting killed.

True but old tanks are old tanks plus let us not forget these old tanks made it all the way to Kyiv before Putin gave the order for them all to pull back. Now the tanks that were sent in are not the primary armored army of Russia, so who knows how much they still have in reserve.

I actually asked my Russian contacts about the situation they said to keep an eye out and they sent me what I can only suspect is a meaning that Russia is not the only force that is going to be sending new things in. So I think we're about to witness a joint force of several pro-Russian nations bare their fist into the drunk on the victory Ukrainian army.

Victory is a hell of a drug, we saw it countless times and what happened recently in Ukraine and the way the line constantly got pushed back makes me rather suspicious if Putin is up to something devious. And no I don't mean to use a nuke!

Let's say theoretically Russians are doing exactly what they did to the German army during WWII outside/under Moscow I believe they call the region (Podmoskoviye). Anyway, the situation seems rather very very familiar and it makes me wonder if it is precisely this that the Russians are doing. Because this started happening when Putin replaced a high ranking member of the military, like right after it happened so what if it is all part of the plan?

a reply to: flice

It is impossible to hide the realities of how a war is going from people for long.
When people's husbands, son's, brothers, friends etc stop coming home or writing or when they do return they are missing limbs and telling frontline stories the truth tends to spread quite quickly.

But regardless, we still have to wait and see if there is really any fighting force left in Russia, over the course of the next weeks.

I'm sure there's some fight left in Russia yet....but certainly not as much as Putin and his goons are alleging.
And not as much as if they were fighting for their homeland like Ukrainians are.

If Putin desires to remain in power, he cannot accept a defeat in Ukraine.

He's talked himself into a corner where he can not accept anything other than total victory.

Even just the events so far, would be enough to question his leadership ability. The man has lost it...

I used to have a grudging respect for Putin; he shamelessly put Russian interests first before all others - some of our leaders could learn from that.
But he always had an incredibly insular and overtly nationalistic outlook on things which, mixed with his insecure Soviet bred paranoia and belief that the whole world is against him, has always hindered him.
All that was magnified by his self-enforced prolonged Covid isolation.

To say he has 'lost it' is a gross understatement.

The closer you get towards end of life, the more free you are to make rash decisions.

Especially when you have almost unlimited power and are consumed with an overwhelming desire for a personal legacy of Greatness.

Additional Note:

Russians poured a ton of money into the military to develop new weapons and systems since 2016 and I mean tons with a capital TONS, and none of which have been seen in the field other than the Hypersonic Dagger (Kinzhal) missile.

Literally NOTHING else has been seen, so if theoretically Russia was utilizing old equipment to get things done and they got to as far as Kyiv before pulling back.

Is it possible to say that the new equipment is being reserved for the reserves and let's not forget the reserved army of Russia has not even been launched fully yet...

It is why NATO and U.S should be concerned for Ukraine right now because the 300,000 called up were reserved officers and higher ranks. The other 1,200,000 - 1,700,000 are the actual troops that will be under the direct command of the 150,000 - 300,000 professionals. This is also the first wave of mobilisation so if reserves are being ushered in and all we saw was the propaganda of 1 rusty AK in a singular video.

Then why are the Russians now pumping out everything at 6x production rate? These things do not add up ladies and gentlemen!

Either we are being lied to by our Western Media, or the Russians are being as we say "Those Sneaky Russians"... Sure the 3rd option is Putin bsed us all and they've got nothing. However, we saw the demonstration of the hypersonic missile which is 1 of 10 types they've developed and lets not even get started on the new tanks, jets, bombers, anti-air, etc.

So I don't know about you but my suspicions are that the Russians just made NATO and America waste their weapon stocks for Ukraine to destroy a bunch of outdated equipment.

So are the Russians actually being sneaky?

I think Putin did it again, he's making us believe that we saw the

a reply to: Freeborn

Look Freeborn, I agree with you on some points but we have to agree something just doesn't make sense.

Putin is no dummy and he wouldn't have started all this without knowing he would win, and all out nuclear war is not a win in his book.

From all those speeches and all the previous things he did since the 1990s I would have to say something is up and definitely off about all of this!

What if we are wrong? What if Putin actually planned it all? Used outdated tanks, used a force of 150,000 - 200,000 mercs and private military firms for this operation to get the West involved...

To get them to pile all that money and weapon stock into Ukraine, to then get Ukrainians cocky and ballsy enough to fall for the bait?

We can't just say "Russia lost 100%" there is just something uneasy/strange about all of this!

Russians encounter the new mass Ukrainian force they shell at them and fire at them then flee to the new line, rinse and repeat. Yet the line each time behind them gets more and more built up, so is it possible Russians are forming a fist or about to bring down a sledgehammer once the line gets dense enough?

Doesn't it seem odd or off to you? Not to mention we haven't seen any of the new tech at all other than 1 of the 10 hypersonic weapons they've developed?


What if we are literally about to see the real modern day Russian military unleash hell? We can chant U.S.A all we want but this whole thing does not add up and as I said before Putin is no dummy!

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Now you mention it...

What is a good way of getting intel of what gear your enemies potentially have?

EU countries and the US has sent tons and tons of gear to Ukraine, in most cases, it even has to be completely open what is being send.

To know what your enemies can spare, gives you hints on what your enemies might have.

No country would send their prime gear to a raging battlefield that you weren't directly involved in (as such...), let alone one that was as volatile as it was in the beginning. So we just hinted Putin with our capabilities in conventional war.

Another thing the Zhukov tactic would then offer on top of that, is how Zelenskyi has managed to profile the advancements on SoMe and general media, giving hints of hope, which then leads to the sensibility of sending gear of a little higher quality, because we get the idea that doing so, would help the Ukrainians win faster and look more fierce.

In both cases, we are removing our own stockpiles, regardless of quality, which means less resistance when the time comes for real.

If Russia has really amassed a huge stockpile of modern weaponry and kept it hidden, then this could get extremely messy.

originally posted by: flice
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Now you mention it...

What is a good way of getting intel of what gear your enemies potentially have?

EU countries and the US has sent tons and tons of gear to Ukraine, in most cases, it even has to be completely open what is being send.

To know what your enemies can spare, gives you hints on what your enemies might have.

No country would send their prime gear to a raging battlefield that you weren't directly involved in (as such...), let alone one that was as volatile as it was in the beginning. So we just hinted Putin with our capabilities in conventional war.

Another thing the Zhukov tactic would then offer on top of that, is how Zelenskyi has managed to profile the advancements on SoMe and general media, giving hints of hope, which then leads to the sensibility of sending gear of a little higher quality, because we get the idea that doing so, would help the Ukrainians win faster and look more fierce.

In both cases, we are removing our own stockpiles, regardless of quality, which means less resistance when the time comes for real.

If Russia has really amassed a huge stockpile of modern weaponry and kept it hidden, then this could get extremely messy.

If we are to see this and I mean Putin finally opening his hand 1,200,000 - 1,700,000 soldiers under the direct command of reserved officers who easily number in the 150,000 - 300,000 that were pulled from reserve with experience of Georgia, Chechnya, Afghan, and Syria. Not to mention backed by the modern day tech if the weapons were kept in reserve of the new caliber that Russia flaunted, we could literally see a slaughter of the entire last throw attempt of the Ukrainian military.

And this is the last attempt of the Ukrainian military because they literally drafted 16 and over when Russians were outside of Kyiv. It would be more horrifying than a slaughter, it would literally be shooting fish in a barrel with a M61 Vulcan as the best summary of what might unfold if this is actually how Putin is playing it.

originally posted by: flice
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Now you mention it...

What is a good way of getting intel of what gear your enemies potentially have?

EU countries and the US has sent tons and tons of gear to Ukraine, in most cases, it even has to be completely open what is being send.

To know what your enemies can spare, gives you hints on what your enemies might have.

Additionally, the recent $15B aid from U.S is weapons that will only be ready mid to end of 2023 or the beginning of 2024 at the latest. Serious room for concern!!!

a reply to: WanderingMrM

You mean like untrained anti war protester conscripts and criminals from prisons?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: WanderingMrM

You mean like untrained anti war protester conscripts and criminals from prisons?

Nope the protestors and criminals go to Wagner group, that's the interesting thing.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

You mean Nazis?

a reply to: WanderingMrM


Do you think we should provide the weapons sooner?

How about next week?



While we're at it, we should add a few more HIMARS to their order, just to be sure.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Interesting like the Dirlewanger SS Brigade was interesting.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: WanderingMrM

Interesting like the Dirlewanger SS Brigade was interesting.

Cheers

mmmm....

Brain Food.